Allah the devil

[Heidi]

No one has ever seen allah. He comes from the imagination of a murderer and pedophile. And one can just about imagine what visions a murderer and pedophile will have! "By their fruits you will know them."

But Jesus showed the love of God through his healing the sick, raising the dead, dying for our sins and resurrecting. "By their fruits you will know them."

Jesus and Mohammed did opposite things in life. Jesus preached to love our enemies and gave up his life to save ours. Mohammed took the lives of those he didn't like. Their fruits therefore, do not come from the same source. The devil endorses murder, God endorses love. The truth is very simple and is as plain as day.

 

[Heidi]

Jesus's words & actions agreed with each other. So he is not a house divided against itself. Mohammed preached love but killed people. His words did not agree with his actions. Therefore he is a house divided against itself. As jesus says, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." The truth holds no contradictions. Lies are built on contradictions. ;-)

 

[Muhsen]

Be careful when you dealing with God almighty
You know Allah = God
Allah is the Arabic word of God but the true Unique God not the trinity God, LOL

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Actually, Muhsen, we both know that Arab Christians were calling God Allah in Christian churches many centuries before Islam, as they do to this day. Therefore, Allah is simply the Name of God to my Arab brothers- and any interpretation that we place on who He is changes not Him or His Name.

That beings said, He revealed Himself in the person of His Son. That many have rejected Him is consistent with human nature. Jesus asked Peter "who do men say that I am?"
Peter answered, "some say Elijah, or the prophet."
Jesus asked again "who do you say that I am?"
Peter answered "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Jesus said "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah- for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but the Spirit of God."

Yes, those who know Him as prophet have received revelation from flesh. Those who know Him as teacher know Him according to flesh. Those who know Him as the Son of God know so because the Spirit of God has revealed to them who He really is.

May God bless you with Spiritual revelation and all blessings

Iakovos

 

[Heidi]

I love God almighty, Mushen! The one true God does not endorse murder. The devil does...and so does allah. If allah doesn't endorse murder, then Mohammed deliberately disobeyed him. So if your prophet dispobeyed whom you consider God, then why do you tell others to be careful how they treat your god?? :-?

Is Mohammed going to heaven or hell for disobeying allah? Or did Mohammed obey allah by committing murder? So you're either worshipping the devil who endorses murder or you're praising Mohammed for disobeying allah. Either way, Islam contradicts itself. You can't get away from these contradictions which shows your religion is based on falsehoods. ;-)

 

[TheStudent]

heidi,
tell me , did Moses ever order any one to be killed?

tell me, what are the laws of the OT?

tell me, what are the laws of the NT concerning adultery?

dont be a hypocrite

 

[Heidi]

No, Moses did not ever order anyone to be killed, Thestudent. ;-)

The Jewish kings were not prophets nor did they ever claim to be. Prophets are from God which is why none of the prophets ever killed anyone...except Mohammed. :o

 

[TheStudent]

moses did not kill anyone? are you sure? what about the egyptian? and please tell me, did moses and joshua never go to war

you have not answered the rest of the questions, why?

let me answer them for you:

'tell me, what are the laws of the OT?'

Gen 9:6
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

and eye for an eye. which part of this law did Muhammed not follow?

'tell me, what are the laws of the NT concerning adultery? '

jesus said:
Matthew 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

pease remember:
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.  (Matthew 5:17-18)"

now tell me, which part of the law did Muhammed not follow?

 

[Heidi]

moses did not kill anyone? are you sure? what about the egyptian? and please tell me, did moses and joshua never go to war

you have not answered the rest of the questions, why?

let me answer them for you:

'tell me, what are the laws of the OT?'

Gen 9:6
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

and eye for an eye. which part of this law did Muhammed not follow?

'tell me, what are the laws of the NT concerning adultery? '

jesus said:
Matthew 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

pease remember:
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.  (Matthew 5:17-18)"

now tell me, which part of the law did Muhammed not follow?

After Moses met God in the burning bush, he never killed anyone! please read your bible. Pharoah made war against Moses and God allowed them to be swallowed up in the sea. Then Moses spent the rest of his life in the wilderness.

You, as usual, completely understand what Jesus means by fulfilling the law. Jesus fulfilled the law for us, which means we now come to him to obey it instead of trying to do it on our own. Jesus became the sinless sacrifice and atonement for all of our sins. Since he satisfied the requirements of the law through his death for us by dying for our sins, we are no longer under the OT law. It has already been fufilled. Love conquers all.

Jesus said, "You have seen it written, 'an eye for an eye.' Yet I tell you to love your enemies. Do good to those who persecute you." The OT shows us what justice is. The NT testament shows us what mercy is. Mercy triumphs over justice. So the law will always be true. But now, God repays evil for evil, not us. The OT was written simply to show us what the Law is and that we all deserve death. The NT shows God's grace and mercy to all who come to him for rest.

And that is why love is the fulfillment of the law. Knowing that we have been forgiven we can forgive our neighbor, which keeps us from committing murder against him, adultery against him, stealing from him, lying about him, coveting any of his possessions, and enables us to honor our parents, and God above all.

 

[TheStudent]

so tell me, was moses not born a prophet? did God not guide him into the basket and lead him back to his mother? or was he 'not a prophet' then?

tell me, what about David and Goliath? who killed who?

you say that you do not follow the laws of the OT? were they not the laws of Moses? was moses wrong?

what jesus meant when he said he came to fulfill the law, was to teach people on the correct application of the law. just as he gave his example of the fallen goat, he taught of MODERATION. as he said' i have not come to change the law'

Islam is called the 'middle way'. for example:
we fast for one month every year. it is one of the 5 pillars of Islam and is obviously VERY important to do. BUT if you find you are not able due to illness, pain, discomfort or simply stress , then it is better, and ACCEPTABLE that you do not fast! As long as we have a valid reason then we can give in charity or feed someone instead. this is moderation.

we do not pray all day and all night, but we pray 5 times a day. this is moderation. if we are on a journey , Allah has allowed us to cut the lenght of our prayer in half. this is moderation and a mercy.

we do not give all of our wealth in charity, but only what we can afford without fear of poverty, this is moderation.

 

[Free]

we fast for one month every year.

That's not fasting at all. It's simply changing your eating habits so that you eat later in the day.

And by the way, you still need to post your proof in the discussion in Bible Study.

 

[TheStudent]

'That's not fasting at all. It's simply changing your eating habits so that you eat later in the day. '

listen to this!! brother please tell me what is fasting in your opinion?!

we dont eat in the daylight hours during ramadan as well as abstaining from sex and other things.

 

[Gary]

Jesus criticized fasting as outward show.

Matthew 6:16-18 16"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 17But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Luke 18:9-14 9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other menâ€â€robbers, evildoers, adulterersâ€â€or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

:-?

 

[Free]

'That's not fasting at all. It's simply changing your eating habits so that you eat later in the day. '

listen to this!! brother please tell me what is fasting in your opinion?!

we dont eat in the daylight hours during ramadan as well as abstaining from sex and other things.

Luk 4:1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness
Luk 4:2 for forty days, being tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing during those days. And when they were ended, he was hungry.

In Christianity fasting can consist of abstinence from anything. When it refers to a food fast, it typically means eating nothing at all, day or night.

As I said, Muslims don't fast, they simply change their eating habits for one month of the year.

 

[Beena]

No one has ever seen allah. He comes from the imagination of a murderer and pedophile. And one can just about imagine what visions a murderer and pedophile will have! "By their fruits you will know them."

But Jesus showed the love of God through his healing the sick, raising the dead, dying for our sins and resurrecting. "By their fruits you will know them."

Jesus and Mohammed did opposite things in life. Jesus preached to love our enemies and gave up his life to save ours. Mohammed took the lives of those he didn't like. Their fruits therefore, do not come from the same source. The devil endorses murder, God endorses love. The truth is very simple and is as plain as day.

Very very funny! If muhammed fought wars, it was for a just cause which is why He is worshipped. He could not have taken anybody's life like those guys did to Christ when they crucified Him on the cross. And if you consider Christ God, then they crucified God. And you call Muhammed a murderer but there is no mention of those devils who crucified God? Oh! I forgot, you will say, but Christ died for our sins. So He would still have died had He not been crucified. How? He would have committed suicide? What logic is that? He was preaching and would have kept preaching.

Besides, God is just and would not make someone pay for another's sins, so why would He make Christ atone for humanity's sins? He would not bring some justice by enacting an injustice or what kind of justice would that be? Also, Christ cried on the cross, 'Forgive them father for they know not what they do' when they were casting lots and making fun of Him. What would be the point of saying that if He was just there atoning for everybody's sins? On top of that, why would he cry, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Is it not because He was a victim of viciousness at the hands of evil people and until the end thought that His God would save Him?

"Truth is simple" true! But wickedness is not! That's because the wicked find a way to manipulate everything in a way it doesn't remain simple anymore but becomes COMPLICATED! All said and done, God is just, so no matter what, we will all get what we deserve. By the way has it ever occured to you that if Christ took the world's sins on His shoulder then no Christian could worship Christ as God as He would be a sinner. But that is not the case. Christ came as the word which is God's creation and as such His child and so that makes Christ, The son of God in the first place. And since He did so much good and stuff, God made Him God, and as for the world and its sins, it can go to hell!

 

[Free]

If muhammed fought wars, it was for a just cause which is why He is worshipped.

He may have fought some just wars, but he fought many unjust wars which is how he spread his message from "God".

He could not have taken anybody's life like those guys did to Christ when they crucified Him on the cross.

No, he took many more. Maybe he didn't crucify them, but he murdered nonetheless.

And you call Muhammed a murderer but there is no mention of those devils who crucified God?

The discussion has nothing to do with who did or didn't crucify Jesus the Christ. Those same people didn't claim to be prophets from God with divine revelation.

So He would still have died had He not been crucified. How? He would have committed suicide? What logic is that?

Yeah, what kind of logic is that? Your argument makes no sense.

Besides, God is just and would not make someone pay for another's sins, so why would He make Christ atone for humanity's sins? He would not bring some justice by enacting an injustice or what kind of justice would that be?

Do you claim to fully understand and know God's justice? Are you as wise as God and know his ways? God didn't make Jesus die for people's sins, Jesus chose to do it.

On top of that, why would he cry, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Is it not because He was a victim of viciousness at the hands of evil people and until the end thought that His God would save Him?

No, it is not because of that.

By the way has it ever occured to you that if Christ took the world's sins on His shoulder then no Christian could worship Christ as God as He would be a sinner. But that is not the case.

No, it isn't the case because your logic and understanding of Christian theology is not very good. Jesus is God in human flesh who came for the sole purpose of providing reconciliation to God through his own blood which washes away our sin when we believe.

Christ came as the word which is God's creation and as such His child and so that makes Christ, The son of God in the first place. And since He did so much good and stuff, God made Him God, and as for the world and its sins, it can go to hell!

Again, this is very wrong. Christ, as the Word, was God for eternity past and not a creation of God. If Jesus was a creation of God as you claim, then he could not be God, as you also claim. Someone that is created cannot become God.

 

[TheStudent]

'Again, this is very wrong. Christ, as the Word, was God for eternity past and not a creation of God. If Jesus was a creation of God as you claim, then he could not be God, as you also claim. Someone that is created cannot become God.'

so explain to me, why did jesus spend 9 months in marys womb? why the need for a mother? whos creation was more miraculous, jesus or adam?

 

[Lekazar]

As much as you are right about Muhammed as a worshipper of the evil one, "Allah" is just arabic for the word "God".
And by saying "Allah is the Devil", you are saying "God is the Devil", but in arabic, it is blasphemy, no matter what language you use.

Repent this blasphemy and pray for forgiving!

 

[bibleberean]

'Again, this is very wrong. Christ, as the Word, was God for eternity past and not a creation of God. If Jesus was a creation of God as you claim, then he could not be God, as you also claim. Someone that is created cannot become God.'

so explain to me, why did jesus spend 9 months in marys womb? why the need for a mother? whos creation was more miraculous, jesus or adam?

God visited His people by becoming flesh through the virgin birth.

God and man united...

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The Lord came from heaven and Adam was created from the earth...

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Amazing Love how could it be that thou my God shouldst die for me!

 

[YESHUA]

'That's not fasting at all. It's simply changing your eating habits so that you eat later in the day. '

listen to this!! brother please tell me what is fasting in your opinion?!

we dont eat in the daylight hours during ramadan as well as abstaining from sex and other things.

Yeah you fast all day and eat all night what is this?
do you call this being holy?
I had a friend she had been engaged to a muslim the reason why she broke up with he was the ramadan she just couldn't stand watching her fiance and family fasting all day and then eat like hogs all night and neither one of then understood why they all had constipation the next day.
Thats real cool and holy.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the SON OF THE LIVING GOD