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Allah the devil

Re: OH yeah

Frost-X said:
I have all the evidence i need man !!!

I know the bible better than you do and i know the Holy Quran better than you do

And Allah ( God ) says in the Quran :

"They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there
is no god except One God." (Qur'an 5:73)

And Allah is : God .


Don't tell me it's not mentioned in the Quran.


Quran 5:73 They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. (Yusuf Ali)

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Versions/ali.html

I'm sorry, but its not mentioned in the Quran. :D


Anyway, "Allah is one of three in a Trinity" isn't the Christian Trinity.
 
Re: OH yeah

The author of the Quran either didn't understand the Christian Trinity, or else the Quranic verses in question were simply not about the Trinity. I have seen it suggested that the verses could have been about an unorthodox sect of "Christians" around at the time. The truth of that I have no idea.

To be sure, the Quran goes against the divinity of Jesus, which certainly rules out the Trinity. However, the notion of Jesus as the "Son" of God was probably also misunderstood by the author of the Quran. :D



See- http://answering-islam.org.uk/Emails/mary-ezra.htm

"Christians do not believe that God is "one of three", but rather God is One - not of three but in three. Technically there is a huge difference. In fact, we Christians are in full agreement with the later part of this verse, which says that "there is no God except one God."
 
Gary said:
I have studied Islam for nearly five years. I find nothing of "beauty" in any traditions nor the Quran nor the Hadith.

When I study the life of Muhammad, I am shocked. He is no role model.

Today, the effects of his teachings and example still echo all around the world in terrorism, suicide bombings, wife-beating and intolerance.

To understand the "Ultimate Goal of Islam", I urge you to read this:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/ ... e_goal.htm
:sad


In case anyone didn't read the links Gary urged you to read:

To understand the "Ultimate Goal of Islam", I urge you to read this:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/ ... e_goal.htm



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Gary said:
AHIMSA said:
...we must remember that the fundamental elements to Islam are justice, mercy and compassion.

That is not true at all. The surah (verse) you quote is about ALLAH ... "In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful ..."

.... and that is NOT what Muhammad or his followers were.

:o


More Links that are important to read:

Top ten reasons why Islam is NOT the religion of peace
Violence in Muhammad's life and the Quran
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/ten_reasons.htm



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Dum people

I am not going to say more than this !!!


IN BIBLE THERE IS NO MENSIONING OF THE TRINITY !!!!!!

AT ALL IN ALL VERSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND THE AURTHOR OF THE HOLY QURAN IS ALLAH WHO IS GOD OF EVERYTHING AND THE ONLY ONE AND TO HIM WE MUST PRAY AND TO HIM WE MUST ASK FOR FORGIVNESS AND HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE YOU ((((( NOT JESUS )))))
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HOW CAN YOU SAY ITS NOT MENSIONED IN THE QURAN.

YUSUF ESTES WHO WAS A PREACHER AND NOW MUSLIM, LISTEN TO THIS AND KEEP REMEMBERING HE WAS A PREACHER SO HE KNEW BETTER THAN YOU .

IN NO BIBLE DOES IT MENSION TRINITY AND YOU SAY AND BELIEVE THE TRINITY AND ALLAH SAYS DON'T SAY TRINITY !!!!!

LOGIC MANNNNNN !!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH !!
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and to the man who says the diffrence between Mohammad and Jesus .

peace be upon them .

is Jesus saves and Mohammad kills.

In the day of judgement the only human that can help believers enter paradise and for god to forgive them is Mohammad not jesus !!!

Jesus will afraid for himself !!!!

Mohammad will be afraid for his followers !!!
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"Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"


God Shall throw in hell who ever says he has a son or who ever worships other than him .


it is sick hearing you guys


you accuse only and you blame only ..


you say mohammad is a killer by what you heard and what people thought you !!!


your blind from the Truth and you never read about what mohammad really did.

open muslim books and read what mohammad did and what he wanted .


i swear to God that jews&christians in his time never saw a Man sp polite and kind like Mohammad .
 
Re: Dum people

Frost-X said:
...I swear to God that jews & christians in his time
never saw a Man so polite and kind like Mohammad...

Is this "polite and kind"?

Is this "polite and kind" to Jews and Christians?

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4363: - click here -

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: We were
(sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon
him) came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him
until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)
stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept
Islam (and) you will be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have
communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah (may
peace be upon him) said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's
Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be
safe. They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message).
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this... - He
said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same
reply) he added: You should know that the earth belongs
to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land.
Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise
they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and
they may have to go away leaving everything behind).



Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: - click here -

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger
of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the
Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any
but Muslim.


:o
 
Is that all you can say .

Ok Gary let me Comment on those two Hadiths you just said .


First of All those Hadiths are correct and i know them and i am With him.

And he did Make them leave Arabia but Not by Force !!!

When the became prisoners of War he let them go free .


But Remember When Mohammads message came they ( the jews and christians and pagens ) Attacked him and they hurt him and they accused him of lying and they accused him of being a Magician and they would not sell Food or water to Mohammad and his Followers and Makkah was the Land of Allah and Muslims and the Ka'abah was made by Abraham the FAther of prophets who is a Muslim by the way .

Abraham is the first Prophet to Bring islam as a religion .

And anywhere Mohammad went the Jews and christians would bother and hurt him .


So he began to teach islam to men and alot of the ( jews and christians ) Believed in him as the True Prophet of God who jesus talked about .

And Mohammad is the Seal of all Prophet's .

So when Mohammad had enough Army he decided to get what he Owns back !!!!

before i compelete ( if Mohammad was such a bad person Why did people follow him and believe him ??? )

Like the king of Ethoupia ( najashi ) he was a christian just like you but became a Muslim .

any way forget that .


Now let's get to Those Hadiths .


The problem with you is that you Grab only those hadiths and not read the Others.

In islam you cannot just read one hadith and follow it or say this hadith said so and so .

There are over 200 000 hadiths !!!


Why dont you post the Hadiths of What Mohammad said about peace and Islam ???

What you just posted is not an excuse of the topic !!!

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Mohammad is a Messenger of God !

Why can't you accept that ? is it so hard .

You stop debating a 17 year old kid like me and start showing how smart you are and listen to Yusuf estes


I am sick of you and stop replying to me .

You just bringing me what who ever said and not answering my questions !!!

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from now i will not talk to you coz ur blind and don't know about islam !


Show how smart you are in this site

http://www.islamyesterday.com/videos/index.php?catid=2

listen to Priests and Preachers Enter Islam

If you think ur Right listen to this Preacher
 
Frost said:
a) So when Mohammad had enough army, he decided to get what he
owns back !!!!

b) Before i compelete ( if Mohammad was such a bad person, why did
people follow him and believe him ??? )

hmmmm so as soon as Muhammad could raid caravans, take the loot,
kill the Jews, take the women.... he did!

STAGE ONE: (IN MECCA) - NO RETALIATION

While still in Mecca, Muhammad and his followers did not retaliate or fight.
The suras originating during that time contained teaching typified by the
following verses:

  • Sura 73:10,11 (be patient and bear with those who deny the truth)
    Sura 52:45,47,48 (leave them alone and wait in patience for the Lord to punish them)
    Sura 109:1,2,6 (tell unbelievers, "You have your religion and I have mine.")
    Sura 76:8,9 (be kind even to those taken prisoner)
    Sura 20:129,130 (also 38:15-17) (be patient with evil things said by evil people)
    Sura 20:134,135 (be patient and let the unbelievers see who is right)
    Sura 15:93 (Allah leaves alone those whom He allows to stray from the truth)
    Sura 19:83,84 (don't be in a hurry to fight. Allah will allow evil people to destroy themselves)
    Sura 43:88,89 (just turn away from those who reject the truth, and say "Peace" to them)
    Sura 67:26 (Muhammad is only a warner; not an enforcer)
    Sura 23:54 (leave them in their ignorance)
    Sura 23:96 (it is best not to retaliate evil for evil)
    Sura 25:52 (struggle with all your might against unbelievers with Allah's word - the "Greater Jihad")
    Sura 17:54 (Muhammad was not sent to dispose of men's affairs.)
    Sura 16:125,126 (invite to the way of Allah only with gracious preaching and arguments)
    Sura 29:46 (don't argue with Jews and Christians, but do something better, i.e., emphasize our oneness)
    Sura 29:69 (Allah will guide those who struggle in His way)
    Sura 10:25,26 (Allah's call to the house of peace with reward in paradise)
    Sura 6:104 (it's not our job to watch and be sure people believe the truth)
STAGE TWO: (FIRST INSTRUCTION IN MEDINA) -
DEFENSIVE FIGHTING PERMITTED


Several months after arrival in Medina the Muslims began looting the
Meccan caravans passing through the area. (It is very hard to
understand how someone claiming to be a prophet could adopt the carnal,
pagan Arab practice of robbing the caravans of other tribes, call
it "striving in the way of Allah" and then say that one fifth of the loot
belongs to Allah!) That practice eventually resulted in their being attacked
by the Quraish from Mecca in several battles, beginning with the battle of
Badr in 624. At that time permission was given to defend themselves by
fighting and killing. The only enemies in the picture were
the "unbelievers" of the Quraish tribe in Mecca, who were idol worshipers.


  • Sura 22:39-41 (permission is given to go to war to defend themselves)
    Sura 22:58 (rewards for those who die in Jihad)
STAGE THREE: (REVISED INSTRUCTION IN MEDINA) -
DEFENSIVE FIGHTING COMMANDED


A few months after granting permission to fight in self-defense, the
command was given making war (in self defense) a religious obligation.
At first, the only enemies in the picture were the "unbelievers" of the
Quraish tribe in Mecca, who were idol worshipers. They were the ones
who had in a sense declared war on the Muslims. Starting with the battle
of Uhud (see sura 3 references below) the hypocrites (Arabs who claimed
to be Muslims, but really did not believe) began to show themselves as
enemies, and later the Jews were considered enemies. In the beginning
of this stage the Jews were not considered enemies because Muhammad
was still expecting them to accept him as a prophet like Moses.

  • Sura 2:109 (forgive and overlook unbelieving Jews and let Allah take care of them)
    Sura 2:190-194 (fight defensively against an attack from fellow Arab Meccan opponents until persecution is stopped and Islam is established)
    Sura 2:216,217 (fighting against Meccan Arabs is now commanded, but during Zul-Hajj it's an offense)
    Sura 2:256,257 (don't force those defeated to become Muslims, but if they reject Islam they will suffer in hell)
    Sura 8:1 (spoils of war in fighting against Arab Meccan belongs to Allah)
    Sura 8:12,13,15-18 (cut the necks and fingers of those who opposed Allah and Muhammad and never turn your backs)
    Sura 8:38-42 (keep fighting them until they stop persecuting believers and until Islam is established. If they stop fighting then stop. Now, a fifth of all the booty belongs to Allah and His leader)
    Sura 8:45,46 (call on Allah, obey the Apostle, be united, persevere)
    Sura 8:57-61 (if you defeat them, treat the treacherous with treachery and terrorize. Allah will repay what you spend. If they ask for peace give them peace)
    Sura 8:65 (fight with perseverance because you will win)
    Sura 8:67-69 (keep killing and don't take prisoners until the land is subdued. You shouldn't fight to get material goods, but Allah forgives your mistake this time)
    Sura 8:70,71 (tell captives they can be blessed with Islam if they want to believe, otherwise power over them has been given by Allah)
    Sura 8:72a (fighters and helpers are brothers in the struggle for the cause)
    Sura 47:4-6,15 (cut their necks, subdue them, then be generous. Martyrs will receive paradise where there are rivers of water, milk, wine and honey plus fruits)
    Sura 3:152 (the battle of Uhud in 625 AD was the second of the three battles against the Quraish. Allah gave permission to annihilate the enemy, but the believers failed Allah's test because of coveting the things of this world. Still Allah forgave them)
    Sura 3:157,165-167,169-171,195b (martyrs have their sins blotted out and go to paradise, plus bring glory and peace to their loved ones left behind. Believers suffer defeat in battle when they disobey and don't fully strive)
    Sura 61:4,11-13 (Allah loves those who fight in His cause without wavering. He will give speedy victory, forgiveness of sins and admission to paradise to those who fight with all they have)
    Sura 4:74-78a (rewards for fighters against Satan, but not for the cowardly)
    Sura 4:84,88,89 (fight, and rouse other believers to fight. Don't join the hypocrites, but instead seize and slay them if they flee or betray you)
    Sura 4:90,91 (two classes of deserters may be given leniency)
    Sura 4:95,96 (Allah gives a higher grade and reward to those who strive and fight in Allah's cause)
    Sura 4:100 (sure reward for those who die in the cause of Allah)
    Sura 33:25-27 (Allah enabled the Muslims to defeat both the idolaters and the Jews supporting them in their third and final attack against Medina, called the battle of the Trench, in 627 AD)
    Sura 33:50 (you may take women whom you capture to be your concubines in addition to your wives)
    Sura 22:58,59 (good provision of admission to a pleasing place for those who die in the cause of Allah)
    Sura 22:78 (struggle for Allah's cause in sincerity and under discipline)
    Sura 48:15-17 (those who lag behind will face Allah's punishment. The lame, blind and sick are excused. Those who fight will be rewarded with paradise)
    Sura 48:22-24 (in 628 AD the Muslims attempted to enter Mecca to perform the pilgrimage. They were stopped on the edge of the city by Meccan forces. No fighting took place, but the two parties came to an agreement called the Treaty of Al-Hudaybiyah, in which the Muslims would be permitted to perform the pilgrimage a year later in return for a 10 year truce)
    Sura 48:29a (Muslims fight against unbelievers, but are loving among themselves)
    Sura 66:9 (fight against unbelievers and hypocrites)
    Sura 49:15 (true believers spend all in Allah's cause)
STAGE FOUR: (AFTER CONQUERING MECCA) -
OFFENSIVE WAR COMMANDED TO KILL THE PAGANS
AND HUMBLE THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS


The Muslims continued to gain strength until the Meccans surrendered
(in 630 AD). Most of the pagans of the city then became Muslims, so
Muhammad and his followers were able to take over the city and cleanse
the Ka’aba of some 360 idols resident there. At this point a new order
was given to fit the new situation. By this time it was evident that the
Jews would not accept Muhammad's claim to be a prophet, so the list of
enemies now included all unbelievers - Jews and Christians as well as the
pagans. Now it is no longer just defensive fighting, but aggressive Jihad
against all unbelievers is commanded. Since this is the final teaching of
the Qur’an regarding Jihad, it is what is still in force today.

  • Sura 9:1-6 (dissolve all treaties with those pagans who haven't kept them, giving them four months notice. But keep your treaties with other idol worshipers till the end of the time agreed upon. In the future, make no more treaties with pagans, but kill those who do not receive Islam)
    Sura 9:11,12,14,15 (Pagans who accept Islam become brother Muslims. Fight those who break their agreements. Allah will punish them by your hands)
    Sura 9:16 (Allah knows those who strive with all they have, and don't make friends with or seek protection from non-Muslims)
    Sura 9:19-22 (Jihad is greater than other service, and of the highest rank in the sight of Allah)
    Sura 9:25,26 (fighting in the battle of Hunain Jan. 31, 630)
    Sura 9:28 (forbid the pagans to enter the Ka’aba)
    Sura 9:29-31 (fight against Jews and Christians until they are subdued, because Allah's curse is on them)
    Sura 9:38,39,41 (don't avoid fighting, but fight with whatever you have. Otherwise Allah will punish you with serious punishment)
    Sura 9:52,73 (Muslims can expect either martyrdom/paradise or victory in battle. Unbelievers can expect only punishment from Allah. Fight hard against unbelievers, whose abode is hell)
    Sura 9:81-96 (those who are able but don't want to fight are rejected of Allah. Those unable are forgiven)
    Sura 9:111 (Allah gives Paradise to those who give all they have to Allah and slay and/or are slain in Jihad)
    Sura 9:122 (not everyone should go to fight, and those who stay are equal with those who go)
    Sura 9:123 (fight the unbelievers surrounding you)
    Sura 5:36-38 (death or torture to those who oppose the Apostle)
    Sura 5:54 (don't befriend Jews or Christians because they are unjust and unreliable)
Source: Jihad: The Teachings of Islam from its primary sources - the Qur'an and Hadith

Now to answer your second question.... why did people follow Muhammad?

Simple. Booty, slaves, women, killing.... and promises of paradise!


:o
 
Re: Dum people

Frost-X said:
HOW CAN YOU SAY ITS NOT MENSIONED IN THE QURAN.

YUSUF ESTES WHO WAS A PREACHER AND NOW MUSLIM, LISTEN TO THIS AND KEEP REMEMBERING HE WAS A PREACHER SO HE KNEW BETTER THAN YOU .

IN NO BIBLE DOES IT MENSION TRINITY AND YOU SAY AND BELIEVE THE TRINITY AND ALLAH SAYS DON'T SAY TRINITY !!!!!

LOGIC MANNNNNN !!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH !!


The word "Trinity" isn't mentioned in the Quran, as explained. If the doctrine is mentioned in the Quran, then the doctrine has been seriously misunderstood by the author of the Quran.

If you object to this claim, then please provide some kind of argument for what you are saying. (You seem to have a problem when it comes to actually backing up what you claim...).
 
Dum

I know Islam better than you christians!!!!


you do not know islam .

You trust websites.

you never came to Saudia arabia or UAE and yyou never met muslims here so dont say what you have just said .


And you have no right to explain anything in islam .

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you don't Accuse islam for anything muslims do


you go see what islam really is


Are you blind

i said go to that site and listen
 
Re: Dum

Frost-X said:
I know Islam better than you christians!!!!

you do not know islam .

And you have no right to explain anything in islam.


Whatever you know about Islam, you obviously don't have a clue about the doctrine of the Trinity.

Either the Quran does not mention the doctrine, or the Quran greatly misunderstands the doctrine.


:D
 
Re: Dum

Frost-X,

Please stop telling us about how much you know, and instead try actually providing argument and evidence for the claims you make.
 
DivineNames

Are you Telling me Allah misundertands the trinity ?


Common Man !

He knows whats gonna happen in 100000000 years and in every part of a second he knows whats gonna happen and what he will do.


He knows everything and he Orders you in the Quran and says : Don't say three !

Allah is the creator of Hell and Paradise .

i dunno who u think Allah is But he is the One True God
 
Another error by Muhammad...

Muhammad misunderstood the Trinity.
He thought that the Christian concept of God was:
  • (1) God the father
    (2) Jesus the son
    and....
    (3) Mary the mother!!!!
Surah 5:116 And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind:
Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?
he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right.
If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my
mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the
Knower of Things Hidden?

Now IF the Quran was from the real, living God... God would have known
what Christians believed in:
  • God the Father
    God the Son (Jesus Christ)
    God the Holy Spirit

:o :o
 
HA Ha Ha

Hey man


Who are you to Teach God and Mohammad ?



Ignorance . !!! your truely Blind .


It is you who is misslead . Christianity now is not like before .


And there are diff sects. MY mom says so and she knows christianity more than you do .

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But your still deff or can i say blind coz your not reading this Line


((( DONT DEBATE ME ))) and go to this site

http://www.islamtomorrow.com

Watchi his preists and preachers enter islam Video !!!

you never listen .

i am suck of you guys and i have no time for you

i have alot of work to do and plus i am in the Army
 
Re: HA Ha Ha

Frost-X said:
It is you who is misled. Christianity now is not like before.
And there are diff sects.
My mom says so and she knows Christianity more than you do.

So ask her.... which Christian "sect" worshipped God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and Mary the Mother?

There is no recorded sect like this in history.

Muhammad was mistaken.

:) :)
 
hmmm


When you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all......I am sure we all know this expression...

Proofs are proofs...fiction dictates falsehood ....proof of God ...hmm all one needs to do is look around...for the Quran says to do exactly that and it is for those with understanding....for God guides whom He pleases.

reasonin is far better than degrading remarks and replies which show dignity and humbleness are more worthy of respect.

just show me where Allah is the devil and that there is mistakes in God's last message to mankind...if you want I can discuss with you WITHOUT disrespecting one's religion...if that is possible on your part?...Surely God hears and sees all things.

hopefearmercy:)
 
hopefearmercy said:
When you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all......
I am sure we all know this expression...

Yes. So why then did Muhammad insult both Christians and Jews?

By the way, you have NOT explained how/why Muhammad made that very basic mistake
about Christian belief.

As you said, if Muhammad had nothing nice to say.... "don't say it at all"!!

:-? :-?
 
discuss man discuss...



Gary, you really must quote the things you are saying about Mohammad pbuh and put your input into the matter at hand, for I do not know telepathy.

There are many things stated in the Quran by Allah swt that are explained if you take the time and find out the correct knowledge....This goes as well for the words of Mohammad pbuh. To quote without posting is unfair and degrading and childish....Discuss man...discuss:)...that is what God has told us to do....reason with each other not play cat and dog.

Do you know how?

hopefearmercy
 
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