AMERICA: NEW ROME & BABYLON THE GREAT ("Come out of her, My people...")

[ezra]

God only has those who are His under His wings as we who are His through Christ Jesus look for the day we will be with Him forever. There are some who never come to the knowledge of the prophecies as they are not concerned, but only wait for His coming. Then you have people like me that watch and pray as to what we are to watch for are the signs of His coming and that of prophecy that yet needs to be fulfilled.

Roman rule has always been as a branch off the Babylon Empire which is still alive today as mystery Babylon throughout many nations. It's the deeper things that many of us study, not only what has been written in scripture, but also history that repeats itself and the foundations of many nations how they were founded and who founded them for what purpose. I don't believe in the false Rapture theories that are taught and if I am still alive at the time of Gods great wrath being poured out into the world I want to know what must come first before the return of Christ so I will not be overcome by the adversary and fall to his temptations.

The Day of the Lord
…4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you areall sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober.…
1 Thessalonians 5:9 God has not appointed us to wrath what false rapture theories ? it will happen when God says not a day nor hour sooner . i am a pan millennial believer . do your best living for God. it will all pan out in the end imo i do not see us here whne he purs out his real wrath judgment on the world

 

[ezra]

I'll say!
I see many churches that have taken down their crosses and put up rainbow flags.
So-called "Bible teachers" teach righteousness as a means of financial gain.
Churches do not set standards of dress and behavior for their congregations.
The most important "sacrament" in many churches is the collection of the tithe.
You are right!

what is the standard for dress that you see? everything else i am right there with you.. the church has to preach the tithe to keep up the Big million dollar budgets ..i wonder how many big full time preachers would preach for the money i have made in the ministry . dont get me wrong a full time pastor should be supported . when i hear all this wealth prosperity preaching i move on.. many preach God wants you rich in $$$$$$ . the apostles was not rich men

 

[Jim Parker]

what is the standard for dress that you see?

In many churches, I don't see any standard.
The standard should be "modesty."

 

[ezra]

In many churches, I don't see any standard.
The standard should be "modesty."

i do like to dress nice at church we attend it is a semi casual .i can handle that . i do wear jeans nice shirt .. but i cringe and disagree with shorts...............

 

[for_his_glory]

good Lord has protected the united states problem is many hearts have waxed cold

God is not protecting America or any other nation as during the end of days He is sending all nations to battle against Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:1,2; Luke 21:20. This will include America as in part of the all. God is only keeping those who are His own that are sealed with the Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:1-14, but yet we are not exempt from persecution or death by the hands of another, Matthew 10:28.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Day of the Lord
…4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you areall sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober.…
1 Thessalonians 5:9 God has not appointed us to wrath what false rapture theories ? it will happen when God says not a day nor hour sooner . i am a pan millennial believer . do your best living for God. it will all pan out in the end imo i do not see us here whne he purs out his real wrath judgment on the world

I use to believe in a pretrib Rapture many years ago as I was one who followed everything the Pastor taught until I started studying those scriptures given for support and found nothing about a pretrib Rapture, but that is another topic of discussion as I do not want to derail this one.

 

[TLSITD]

Rome is Babylon.


http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/babylon-is-the-code-name-of-rome/

It was indeed, in John's time, but not any longer. It no longer fits. Babylon has changed location before: Originally, Babylon was Babylon; then Rome was "Babylon". And now the nation that best fits the description of Babylon---the "Rome" of today---is the USA, which is today what Rome was in its day.

 

[Jim Parker]

i do like to dress nice at church we attend it is a semi casual .i can handle that . i do wear jeans nice shirt .. but i cringe and disagree with shorts...............

I'm talking about clothes that are too tight, skirts too short, tops open too much....people dressed like they were going to a night club hoping to hook up with somebody...and nobody says nuthin'

 

[TLSITD]

This is taken from John Daniel's book "The Grand Design Exposed" granddesignexposed.com

TWO OCCULT POWERS UNITED FOR FINAL WORLD CONTROL
THE BEAST (Rome) and HIS IMAGE (U.S.A.)
In Scripture, Rev.13:1-18, two world powers are described. The first, which received worship and ruled brutally for over a thousand years, but then lost her temporal power to Protestantism, is fittingly named in Scripture, the “Beast”. It is the world’s greatest hidden Occult influence of Rome.

The second power described as the “Image” to the beast, is the U.S.A. As a daughter is the splitting image of her mother (harlot), so the U.S.A. was quietly founded in the ‘Image’
of Rome and its Occultism by Jesuits and Freemasons. The long range purpose was a ‘grand design’ to once again bring the world under the control and tyranny of the Occult Sun system of Rome, through what we know today as the NEW WORLD ORDER.

Revelation 13:15 - And he (USA) had power (Influence Legislation) to give life (Establish former persecution) unto the image to the beast, (USA Church and State) that the image to the beast (Protestant USA Church and State) should both speak, (Legislation) and cause that as many as would not worship the image (Protestant church and state system with enforced worship in America) should be killed. This predicts a dramatic change in America. Persecution of God’s people for refusing to go along with forced laws of worship. Revelation 17 unites with 10 kings to make war on Gods chosen people.

Revelation 13:16 - And he (USA Church and State power) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (mark of Beast, or mark of Rome’s power in their right hand, or foreheads: (Note: God also puts a seal in His people's forehead but its not visible, Revelation 14:1).

Revelation 13:17 - And that no man might buy or sell, (USA boycott all refusing to worship the national and world church and state system) save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name being 666.

Revelation 13:18 - Here is wisdom, let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: (Rome's Power) for it is the number of a man and his number is six hundred threescore and six: 666.

So let’s consider again, as the angel of God says unto John, “And there are seven kings (or kingdoms); five are fallen, and “one is”, and the other is not yet come; (even today, it still has not yet come) and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” (a literal 42 months or 1260 literal days) “And the beast “that was”, and “is not”, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.” (Revelation 17:10&11)

You're making symbolic and abstract things that are not symbolic or abstract, and confusing kingdoms with people. Both kingdoms and kings are described as beasts in the Revelation and the book of Daniel, but confusing what is referring to actual people with what is referring to kingdoms or governments is a mistake. Knowing what refers to what, and what is literal and what is symbolic requires God-given understanding about what we read.

Just to set the record straight:

The antichrist (aka the first beast) is a person, a man, and not a system. He will be a Jew, and will fulfill---for those Jews who are not of God's elect and do not receive Jesus Christ as their Savior---the Messianic prophecies, and will be received and worshiped by them as their king and their god. He will be the head of the one world government, which is also described as a beast.

The false prophet (aka the second beast) is also a man, and will likely either be a pope or a priestly religious figure in the new religion of the antichrist---whatever offices and titles that religion may have.

And while the seal of God is spiritual---a metaphor for being sealed with the Holy Spirit (that is, born again/saved)---the mark of the beast will be an actual mark on people's hands or foreheads. The Greek word "charagma", translated as "mark" means a stamp, imprint or engraving---like a brand, or possibly a tattoo. It won't be a microchip, or an action of some kind ("doing this or that is taking the mark of the beast"), but an actual mark, voluntarily received by those who wish to buy and sell under the government of the antichrist, and not forced upon people (at least not Christians)---the consequences of not taking it notwithstanding.

(And the image of the beast will be an actual image that people will be worshiping, like a statue---probably in the likeness of the antichrist---just like King Nebuchadnezzar set up a golden image for people to worship.)

 

[Jim Parker]

You're making symbolic and abstract things that are not symbolic or abstract, and confusing kingdoms with people.

The reference is to the apocalyptic literature of Daniel and Revelation. They are both highly symbolic and abstract.
I believe the interpretation of For-His-Glory is a valid one. (Though not the only valid one)

 

[TLSITD]

good Lord has protected the united states problem is many hearts have waxed cold

God's only nation is His people. He sets up kings and removes them, and He strengthens this or that government, or allows this or that nation to prosper according to His will and in keeping with His ultimate eternal plan, but He doesn't have a favorite nation. He favors those, in every nation, who belong to Him and who obey Him and do what is pleasing to Him; and most of the USA---like most of the rest of the world---does not, and never has.

 

[TLSITD]

BABYLON THE GREAT

 

[civilwarbuff]

God is not protecting America or any other nation as during the end of days He is sending all nations to battle against Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:1,2; Luke 21:20.

This is the prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, not attacking Israel at end times.

 

[JLB]

It was indeed, in John's time, but not any longer. It no longer fits. Babylon has changed location before: Originally, Babylon was Babylon; then Rome was "Babylon". And now the nation that best fits the description of Babylon---the "Rome" of today---is the USA, which is today what Rome was in its day.

In the book of Revelation John is referring to Rome in his prophecy in Chapter 17.

The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.

6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. Revelation 17:4-6


The Vatican has murdered more saints the Hitler has murdered Jews.

They promote the Babylonian religion of mother and child sin god worship, and are the richest nation state in the world.

The Vatican bank is where most of the Cabal House their financial Resourses because of the neutrality of it.



JLB

 

[ezra]

I'm talking about clothes that are too tight, skirts too short, tops open too much....people dressed like they were going to a night club hoping to hook up with somebody...and nobody says nuthin'

i put shorts in there also

 

[Razeontherock]

You're making symbolic and abstract things that are not symbolic or abstract, and confusing kingdoms with people. Both kingdoms and kings are described as beasts in the Revelation and the book of Daniel, but confusing what is referring to actual people with what is referring to kingdoms or governments is a mistake. Knowing what refers to what, and what is literal and what is symbolic requires God-given understanding about what we read.

Just to set the record straight:

The antichrist (aka the first beast) is a person, a man, and not a system. He will be a Jew, and will fulfill---for those Jews who are not of God's elect and do not receive Jesus Christ as their Savior---the Messianic prophecies, and will be received and worshiped by them as their king and their god. He will be the head of the one world government, which is also described as a beast.

The false prophet (aka the second beast) is also a man, and will likely either be a pope or a priestly religious figure in the new religion of the antichrist---whatever offices and titles that religion may have.

And while the seal of God is spiritual---a metaphor for being sealed with the Holy Spirit (that is, born again/saved)---the mark of the beast will be an actual mark on people's hands or foreheads. The Greek word "charagma", translated as "mark" means a stamp, imprint or engraving---like a brand, or possibly a tattoo. It won't be a microchip, or an action of some kind ("doing this or that is taking the mark of the beast"), but an actual mark, voluntarily received by those who wish to buy and sell under the government of the antichrist, and not forced upon people (at least not Christians)---the consequences of not taking it notwithstanding.

(And the image of the beast will be an actual image that people will be worshiping, like a statue---probably in the likeness of the antichrist---just like King Nebuchadnezzar set up a golden image for people to worship.)

You're saying the mark of the beast can't possibly be a chip placed in human skin, to enable the person to work, buy, and sell. How can you be so sure? That would necessarily leave a physical mark.

 

[TLSITD]

You're saying the mark of the beast can't possibly be a chip placed in human skin, to enable the person to work, buy, and sell. How can you be so sure? That would necessarily leave a physical mark.

I'm not positive that there will not be any kind of device involved in the mark, but the mark itself is going to be something visible, not something implanted under the skin that cannot be seen, like a microchip----or something spiritual; and it's not symbolic. It's going to be an actual, physical mark. I think it's possible that the mark might be given to identify people who have received an implanted device of some kind for the purpose of buying and selling---like a brand, to show that they have received the device.

 

[ezra]

no body fully understands the mark of the beast we can only speculate

 

[JohnDB]

no body fully understands the mark of the beast we can only speculate

The best theory I've heard is that this mark will be some kind of endorsement of wickedness and at the same time the expectation that God will have to forgive you for endorsing wickedness.
What exactly this entails is only up for speculation.

 

[Razeontherock]

The best theory I've heard is that this mark will be some kind of endorsement of wickedness and at the same time the expectation that God will have to forgive you for endorsing wickedness.
What exactly this entails is only up for speculation.

That would be a spiritual "mark." I've heard that taken as far as simply being in pursuit of wealth, happiness, pleasure, or general selfishness. I don't think that fits with what Scripture has to say.

I notice that in the 70's a literal understanding of the phrase about not being able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast was seen as radical, and now that is much more mainstream. I have always felt it must be referring to something literal, but I'm not prepared to say what. It will be possible for Christians to miss this, and be deceived ...