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Did you know that 52 of the 56 signers of The Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed Christians? The other four all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal intervention.

Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of scripture for the people of this nation.

Patrick Henry’s famous speech, “An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death†has been reduced to the phrase most of us remember, “Give me liberty or give me death.†But that phrase, without the context in which it was set, loses much of its impact.

Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well- worn Bible: “I am a Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also.â€Â

George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796 said: “It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.â€Â

John Adams, our second president, who also served as chairman of the American Bible Society, in an address to military leaders said: “We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Calvin Coolidge, the 30th President of the United States reaffirmed this truth when he wrote, “The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country.â€Â

In 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: “The congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.â€Â

It is clear from history that the Bible and the Christian faith, were foundational in our educational and judicial system. However in 1947, there was a radical change of direction in the Supreme Court.

It required ignoring every precedent of Supreme Court ruling for the past 160 years. The Supreme Court ruled in a limited way to affirm a wall of separation between church and state in the public classroom.

In the coming years, this led to removing prayer from public schools in 1962.

In 1963, the Supreme Court ruled that Bible reading was outlawed as unconstitutional in the public school system. The court offered this justification: “If portions of the New Testament were read without explanation, they could and have been psychologically harmful to children.â€Â

Bible reading in public schools was now unconstitutional , though the Bible was quoted 94 percent of the time by those who wrote our constitution and shaped our Nation and its system of education and justice and government.

In 1965, the Courts denied as unconstitutional the rights of a student in the public school cafeteria to bow his head and pray audibly for his food.

In 1980, Stone vs. Graham outlawed the Ten Commandments in our public schools.

The Supreme Court said this: “If the posted copies of the Ten Commandments were to have any effect at all, it would be to induce school children to read them. And if they read them, meditated upon them, and perhaps venerated and observed them, this is not a permissible objective.â€Â

Is it not a permissible objective to allow our children to follow the moral principles of the Ten Commandments?

James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, said this: “We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.â€Â

Today we are asking God to bless America. But how can He bless a Nation that has departed so far from Him?


Excerpted from Forsaken Roots by David Gillis
 
It is not our government's job to indoctinate religion in its citizens. Our nation may have been founded based on Christian principles but that does not make it a Christian nation. We are a nation of Muslims, Jews, Christians and non believers. Our government should not sponsor or officially condone any belief system as the official stance of the government. Just look to several Middle Eastern governments for the problems this will cause.
 
Aero_Hudson said:
It is not our government's job to indoctinate religion in its citizens. Our nation may have been founded based on Christian principles but that does not make it a Christian nation. We are a nation of Muslims, Jews, Christians and non believers. Our government should not sponsor or officially condone any belief system as the official stance of the government. Just look to several Middle Eastern governments for the problems this will cause.
Tell that to Jesus Christ, I am tired of all of the world's lies.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:18-20
 
Solo said:
Aero_Hudson said:
It is not our government's job to indoctinate religion in its citizens. Our nation may have been founded based on Christian principles but that does not make it a Christian nation. We are a nation of Muslims, Jews, Christians and non believers. Our government should not sponsor or officially condone any belief system as the official stance of the government. Just look to several Middle Eastern governments for the problems this will cause.
Tell that to Jesus Christ, I am tired of all of the world's lies.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:18-20

Again, not our governments job. We are all free men and women and should come to Jesus not through force or coersion by our government. I can square that with going out with fellow Christians to bring people to God. This is not our government's job. Find me a piece of scripture that states governments should take this on?
 
Aero_Hudson said:
Solo said:
[quote="Aero_Hudson":1cxhumcb]It is not our government's job to indoctinate religion in its citizens. Our nation may have been founded based on Christian principles but that does not make it a Christian nation. We are a nation of Muslims, Jews, Christians and non believers. Our government should not sponsor or officially condone any belief system as the official stance of the government. Just look to several Middle Eastern governments for the problems this will cause.
Tell that to Jesus Christ, I am tired of all of the world's lies.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:18-20

Again, not our governments job. We are all free men and women and should come to Jesus not through force or coersion by our government. I can square that with going out with fellow Christians to bring people to God. This is not our government's job. Find me a piece of scripture that states governments should take this on?[/quote:1cxhumcb]

So you prefer to live in a non-Christian nation, or a nation apart from God's teachings. No problem, for the United States is fast becoming such a nation, and all who have your position can joyfully play world with your choice of government. You can continue to teach your anti-American rhetoric and humanistic philosophies all you want, and be assured that you will be judged accordingly, but the truth of the heritage and foundation of the United States is clear; we were founded as a Christian nation.

James Madison,the father of the United States Constitution said, "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
 
solo thanks i wanted post that as i heard that from Pastor Adrian Rogers (deceased), ur right just look at our society no matter which we go now if we fail to repent all will be in vain(lost). it makes sense that the concept of small government will work if the people are of charachter, if the people are immoral the government of the people and for the people can be no better, right now our country is as sons of belial, and we all need to repent.

aero, i was a jehovah's witness and i remember the ten commandants on display, that didn't offend me, most of those believes(except one and two) are in other faiths, the government back then wasn't a theocracy, but simply acknowldeging the power of god's gift on inalienable rights,government cant give us freedom only jesus can.

are the ten commandants so vile that our kids shouldnt follow them, enven if u dont believe in jesus they have merit in the fact they teach how treat fellow man.

Jason
 
I agree with you Solo..to the extent that our government will either have a biblical world view or a humanist world view. Either way we will live under a value system whether it makes any claims to religion or not.
I would rather live under a biblical world view any day than a humanistic one, where man is his own god. We are reaping the consequences of that and will continue to at a national and eventual world level as things progressively worsen, as the Bible says they will.

All my hope is in Jesus.
 
Wonder why the "founding fathers" didn't obey 2 Peter & Rom 13 regarding submission to authorities...even Paul submitted to Nero and he was way worse than King George :yes
 
keekl said:
Wonder why the "founding fathers" didn't obey 2 Peter & Rom 13 regarding submission to authorities...even Paul submitted to Nero and he was way worse than King George :yes
I think the First Amendment covers that very well:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The very first line of the country's Constitution grants us the God given right to worship as we see fit and pleasing to God. Pleasing God trumps submission to authority.

Paul also worshiped in a way that defied Roman authority.
 
I am all for the Ten Commandments being displayed in schools, putting prayer back in school, and the like. However, whoever does not wish to participate has no need to. I believe the United States should go back to it's Christian roots, but of course, allow the freedom of religion.

I believe God wants us to have a choice to believe in him or not. He is willing, of course, that none should perish but that all should have everlasting life, but he gave us the choice, no?
 
No other nation on earth has been as blessed as the United States has been, and the its heritage as a Christian nation has borne fruits for eternity in its submission to the Lord Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, all of the false religions of the world have slipped into America with the lie that all religions are welcome in this great nation. Satan has deceived many and those who have failed to stand up for the truth have been given over to a reprobate mind, in total nescience to the truth, walking forward in line with the enemy's path of destruction.

  • 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 2 Timothy 3:1-9
 
destiny said:
I agree with you Solo..to the extent that our government will either have a biblical world view or a humanist world view. Either way we will live under a value system whether it makes any claims to religion or not.
I would rather live under a biblical world view any day than a humanistic one, where man is his own god. We are reaping the consequences of that and will continue to at a national and eventual world level as things progressively worsen, as the Bible says they will.

All my hope is in Jesus.
Exactly right. :amen
 
jasoncran said:
solo thanks i wanted post that as i heard that from Pastor Adrian Rogers (deceased), ur right just look at our society no matter which we go now if we fail to repent all will be in vain(lost). it makes sense that the concept of small government will work if the people are of charachter, if the people are immoral the government of the people and for the people can be no better, right now our country is as sons of belial, and we all need to repent.

aero, i was a jehovah's witness and i remember the ten commandants on display, that didn't offend me, most of those believes(except one and two) are in other faiths, the government back then wasn't a theocracy, but simply acknowldeging the power of god's gift on inalienable rights,government cant give us freedom only jesus can.

are the ten commandants so vile that our kids shouldnt follow them, enven if u dont believe in jesus they have merit in the fact they teach how treat fellow man.

Jason
Adrian Rogers was a good man. He was key in turning the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) from going into a liberal, moderate direction and instead headed it back to its conservative roots. He also was key in removing the statement, "The criterion by which the Bible is to be interpreted is Jesus Christ" from the Baptist Faith and Message statement that had been added in 1963. This statement in the Baptist Faith and Message statement was used by the moderate liberal factions within the SBC to pit Jesus words against the rest of Scripture. The removal of this statement in 2000 caused dear Jimmy Carter to leave the SBC.

Adrian Rogers made the following statement concerning why the above statement had to be removed from the Baptist Faith and Message statement:

  • "We must not claim a knowledge of Christ that is independent of Scripture or in any way in opposition to Scripture."
 
Vic C. said:
keekl said:
Wonder why the "founding fathers" didn't obey 2 Peter & Rom 13 regarding submission to authorities...even Paul submitted to Nero and he was way worse than King George :yes
I think the First Amendment covers that very well:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The very first line of the country's Constitution grants us the God given right to worship as we see fit and pleasing to God. Pleasing God trumps submission to authority.

Paul also worshiped in a way that defied Roman authority.

Agreed. Again, if we take a look at relevant examples of governments that have a state sponsored religion and how they have turned out we can then see the inherent danger of doing such a thing in our nation.

I am a Christian. I have accepted God and Jesus into my life and pray everyday to live through God's will. I am finding my way. I firmly believe that God does not want a government body coercing others to believe in him or Christ. That is not the way it works. Instead, the conditions must exist for every man, woman and child to make that choice for themselves. I believe that the United States is as close to an ideal state for that to happen for all that are citizens of this great country.

Let's keep it that way shall we. Aero out!!
 
Aero_Hudson said:
[quote="Vic C.":lfbvc8co]
keekl said:
Wonder why the "founding fathers" didn't obey 2 Peter & Rom 13 regarding submission to authorities...even Paul submitted to Nero and he was way worse than King George :yes
I think the First Amendment covers that very well:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The very first line of the country's Constitution grants us the God given right to worship as we see fit and pleasing to God. Pleasing God trumps submission to authority.

Paul also worshiped in a way that defied Roman authority.

Agreed. Again, if we take a look at relevant examples of governments that have a state sponsored religion and how they have turned out we can then see the inherent danger of doing such a thing in our nation.

I am a Christian. I have accepted God and Jesus into my life and pray everyday to live through God's will. I am finding my way. I firmly believe that God does not want a government body coercing others to believe in him or Christ. That is not the way it works. Instead, the conditions must exist for every man, woman and child to make that choice for themselves. I believe that the United States is as close to an ideal state for that to happen for all that are citizens of this great country.

Let's keep it that way shall we. Aero out!![/quote:lfbvc8co]
If the founding fathers had your attitude and belief, there would not be a United States of America. Why do you ignore all that the founding father's have said concerning Christianity in the founding of this nation? Could it be from the liberal persuasion in our education system since the early 1900s, and the liberal/moderate/progressive/humanistic propaganda that has caused America to fall from its sovereign stand on Biblical principles?

You really ought to get the book, "The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States by Benjamin F. Morris written in 1864 if you are really interested in the truth, instead of personal interpretation and understanding of what is or is not through derivations of redacted and/or revisionist history.
 
I have some questions for all those who desire to see America establish Christianity as its official religion:

1. What would you propose be done about those who aren't Christians? How would they be allowed to fit in with society?

2. If Christianity were our official religion, what laws would you propose be enacted to keep it that way?

See, all I'm saying is that if any nation establishes an official religion, it must enact laws to protect its religious status. And I have no doubt whatsoever that those laws would end up in religious discrimination and persecution. And that is not what America is or ever was about.
 
JoJo said:
I have some questions for all those who desire to see America establish Christianity as its official religion:

1. What would you propose be done about those who aren't Christians? How would they be allowed to fit in with society?

2. If Christianity were our official religion, what laws would you propose be enacted to keep it that way?

See, all I'm saying is that if any nation establishes an official religion, it must enact laws to protect its religious status. And I have no doubt whatsoever that those laws would end up in religious discrimination and persecution. And that is not what America is or ever was about.
no, u misunderatand the government had no official religion even but they chose to embrace jesus even while performing official duties, something that would looked down upon today, btw did u know that it said that event the military chaplians corps are being sought out by aclu(violates the constitution) and that the christians chaplains can't pray in Jesus name and be aware that the military provides chaplains for most of the major faiths, even islamic ones. in combat these chaplains are vital.

jason
 
JoJo said:
I have some questions for all those who desire to see America establish Christianity as its official religion:

1. What would you propose be done about those who aren't Christians? How would they be allowed to fit in with society?

2. If Christianity were our official religion, what laws would you propose be enacted to keep it that way?

See, all I'm saying is that if any nation establishes an official religion, it must enact laws to protect its religious status. And I have no doubt whatsoever that those laws would end up in religious discrimination and persecution. And that is not what America is or ever was about.
Read the book, "The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States by Benjamin F. Morris written in 1864. Then you will know why this nation was established on Christian principals, and how we are to be governed. You will never know what "America is or ever was about" with your current understanding.

The laws have already been established in this nation for the people to practice their CHRISTIAN religious beliefs freely without interference from the "government's laws", however, the enemy has subtly attacked Christianity and has replaced its freedom to practice their CHRISTIAN religious beliefs with censorship and the religion of humanism. Your nation, the United States of America is now under the established religion of humanism as its official religion, and Christianity has slowly and methodically being removed as the basis of law of this nation. Open your eyes and you will see. Open your ears and you will hear.

We will either be a nation under the submission of God Almighty, or a nation under the submission of another god. Which would you prefer?
 
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