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[Hitch]

I have shown you literal evidince that you chose to spiritualize from Both OT and NT, We agree that the nature of Gods kingdom is spiritual. But that does not negate an earthly kingdom to come, as prophacied in the OT and refered to in the NT.

You keep saying that but you dont produce any quotes. Quote me some aspostles speaking about an earthy kingdom quite the contrary Paul did write this;

1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Zec 14v 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Do you believe Jesus when he speaks of living water?

Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Hanst the living water been flowing since that day by the well? And hanst Christ's kingdom grown all this time ?

Rev 5v9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Did you read what Paul said? ...
Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)


If you want to say that is spiritualizing, you're right. Buts it is apostolic interpretation, you can say its spiritualizing but you cant blame me ,you must confront Paul, Pete and even Jesus .

Rev 11v15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Yeah, as above, hasnt his kingdom grown every day since he ascended?

 

[Hitch]

Look the kingdom of God is spiritual in nature. Yet there is a literal kingdom to take place as Gods kingdom takes over the kingdoms of men.

Rev 11v 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Paul teaches that first comes the natural, then the spiritual.

Do you need the quote?

 

[reba]

Rev 11v 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.





Can not the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God as in Rom 14;17

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Jesus did cast out devils correct? so He said the kingdom is come unto you.

uk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Jesus was born king and He shall reign for ever and ever. I don't see in scripture a brake in His reign. If you do where?


Romans tells us what the kingdom is and Luke tells us where it is

 

[Lehigh3]

by Hitch,

Didnt Jesus come 'in the end of the world' ?

Looks like I found a contradiction in your partial preterism.

Jesus did indeed come at the "end of the Jewish age" Same as the Jewish "world"

We "reign" on earth- correct. But where is your consistency? The kingdom came & the church age never ends (Eph.3:21)

But your still incomplete & self-contradictory with your theology.
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and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. ~~Col.2:10 NKJV

 

[warhorse]

Rev 11v 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.





Can not the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God as in Rom 14;17

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Jesus did cast out devils correct? so He said the kingdom is come unto you.

uk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Jesus was born king and He shall reign for ever and ever. I don't see in scripture a brake in His reign. If you do where?


Romans tells us what the kingdom is and Luke tells us where it is

Well Romans 14v17 is being pulled way out of context here. The question there was is it appropriate to eat meat sacrifised to false gods. And paul basicly asserts that they are false gods so it doent matter if one you are not eating it in the worship of those false gods and then refers later to not eating it if it trips up other christians.

By biblical definition heaven is eternity with christ, wherever he is. John 14 v32 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. So we see the return of Christ Promised By Jesus himself.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Rev shows the descent of the holy city to earth, note the church is the bride of christ

Rev 21v 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. This has not happened yet

 

[Hitch]

Well Romans 14v17 is being pulled way out of context here. The question there was is it appropriate to eat meat sacrifised to false gods. And paul basicly asserts that they are false gods so it doent matter if one you are not eating it in the worship of those false gods and then refers later to not eating it if it trips up other christians.

By biblical definition heaven is eternity with christ, wherever he is. John 14 v32 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. So we see the return of Christ Promised By Jesus himself.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Rev shows the descent of the holy city to earth, note the church is the bride of christ

Rev 21v 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. This has not happened yet

Perhaps the greatest promise of the OT was that God would dwell with His people. The great rift that had grown since the Garden was closed could be covered and fellowship restored. This required redemption, of course, from our time we can see how this was accomplished through the cross and the resulting resurrection and exaltation of Christ. By which we are made alive and so adopted into the household of God. Not only then are we redeemed from death but granted royal status as co-heirs in Christ. Pete confirms this taking from the prophet this idea of a royal priesthood, and a holy nation.
It was all necessary because God would have his dwelling place with us,his own people.

13For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. 14This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.
15I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread.
16I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
17There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed.
18His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his crown flourish.

Dave's line was unable to keep the covenant, and lost all claim to the throne. Still God's plan is unaffected, and He sent Christ to establish everlasting righteousness. To satisfy His honor and glory and restore fellowship. Making us His sons, fulfilling the promise and settling us with Him in the beautiful city.

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

This why the kingdom is defined in spiritual terms. God 's dwelling with his chosen is unaffected by geography , there are no boundries , and men from every nation come to worship. The need for types and shadows passed on the third day, and we slowly forget 'the former things' . All that was temporal and weak.

 

[Lehigh3]

by warhorse,

"this has not happened yet"

And so it's been supposed for 2k+ yrs too! I notice there's no Biblical support for it either. No proof. Just a failed prophecy by the Lord, Moses & the prophets?!!He didn't receive the firstfruits of the Spirit as He promised 2k yrs. ago (ie: Peter, Paul , James, etc) then their lives & deaths were in vain. Why should we expect any resurrection either upon death according to futurism? I totally disagree with your literal interpretation of scripture regarding prophecy & symbolism.

Preterists believe the old covenant & the law were fulfilled by Christ the Mediator of the new covenant. No more tears, death, etc, has to do with Israel & the miseries attending the end of the Jewish age. The "feast of Tabernacles" was fulfilled by Christ & the tabernacle of God is with men. His "presence" is with us forever.
The Tabernacle of David | Planet Preterist

 

[warhorse]

Perhaps the greatest promise of the OT was that God would dwell with His people. The great rift that had grown since the Garden was closed could be covered and fellowship restored. This required redemption, of course, from our time we can see how this was accomplished through the cross and the resulting resurrection and exaltation of Christ. By which we are made alive and so adopted into the household of God. Not only then are we redeemed from death but granted royal status as co-heirs in Christ. Pete confirms this taking from the prophet this idea of a royal priesthood, and a holy nation.
It was all necessary because God would have his dwelling place with us,his own people.

13For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. 14This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.
15I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread.
16I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
17There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed.
18His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his crown flourish.

Dave's line was unable to keep the covenant, and lost all claim to the throne. Still God's plan is unaffected, and He sent Christ to establish everlasting righteousness. To satisfy His honor and glory and restore fellowship. Making us His sons, fulfilling the promise and settling us with Him in the beautiful city.

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

This why the kingdom is defined in spiritual terms. God 's dwelling with his chosen is unaffected by geography , there are no boundries , and men from every nation come to worship. The need for types and shadows passed on the third day, and we slowly forget 'the former things' . All that was temporal and weak.

I agree to all of that. but there still remains a literal fullfillment of these prophacies because God has declared them to be.

 

[Hitch]

I agree to all of that. but there still remains a literal fullfillment of these prophacies because God has declared them to be.

Actually the NT references/interpretations are overwhelmingly non-literal, from Jesus to John. That was in part the purpose for recording and documenting NT writings.

The general question remains the same;

but there still remains a literal fullfillment of these prophacies because God has declared them to be.


Where is this declaration?

Why does Paul specify the natural/spiritual pattern?

Why does Paul, the greatest OT scholar of the fist century, define the kingdom in a solely spiritual manner?

Who,(what group) is the recipient of prophecied blessings?

 

[warhorse]

Actually the NT references/interpretations are overwhelmingly non-literal, from Jesus to John. That was in part the purpose for recording and documenting NT writings.

The general question remains the same;

but there still remains a literal fullfillment of these prophacies because God has declared them to be.


Where is this declaration?

Why does Paul specify the natural/spiritual pattern?

Why does Paul, the greatest OT scholar of the fist century, define the kingdom in a solely spiritual manner?

Who,(what group) is the recipient of prophecied blessings?

Genesis 17v7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Galations 3v
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Oh and everlasting aint done yet

 

[warhorse]

by warhorse,
And so it's been supposed for 2k+ yrs too! I notice there's no Biblical support for it either. No proof. Just a failed prophecy by the Lord, Moses & the prophets?!!He didn't receive the firstfruits of the Spirit as He promised 2k yrs. ago (ie: Peter, Paul , James, etc) then their lives & deaths were in vain. Why should we expect any resurrection either upon death according to futurism? I totally disagree with your literal interpretation of scripture regarding prophecy & symbolism.

Preterists believe the old covenant & the law were fulfilled by Christ the Mediator of the new covenant. No more tears, death, etc, has to do with Israel & the miseries attending the end of the Jewish age. The "feast of Tabernacles" was fulfilled by Christ & the tabernacle of God is with men. His "presence" is with us forever.
The Tabernacle of David | Planet Preterist

First of all i am partial preterist so i readily acknowledge the fullfillment of Danials 70th week. But preterist share the same mistake as futerist do in assuming it had to do with the church at all. That referance was to national israel specificly. the times of the Gentiles is not complete, the tribulation has gone on for 2000+ years so far and nearly 47 mil christians have been martered to date. Rev and 1 Cor 15 ties the (no more tears) ref to those who came out of the tribulation. (that would be the church)

Rev 7v 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

1 Cor 15v
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Isaiah 25v
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
10 For in this mountain shall the hand of the LORD rest, and Moab shall be trodden down under him, even as straw is trodden down for the dunghill.

 

[Hitch]

First of all i am partial preterist so i readily acknowledge the fullfillment of Danials 70th week. But preterist share the same mistake as futerist do in assuming it had to do with the church at all. That referance was to national israel specificly. the times of the Gentiles is not complete, the tribulation has gone on for 2000+ years so far and nearly 47 mil christians have been martered to date. Rev and 1 Cor 15 ties the (no more tears) ref to those who came out of the tribulation. (that would be the church)

I have no idea what you're saying here

Rev 7v 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Literalism has its problems. Since Jesus said those who believe in him would never die there can be no martyrs,,yeah right

1 Cor 15v
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

point?

Isaiah 25v
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
10 For in this mountain shall the hand of the LORD rest, and Moab shall be trodden down under him, even as straw is trodden down for the dunghill.

I refer you to verse 9 above , and to Paul's quotation from the same prophet;


For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

 

[warhorse]

I have no idea what you're saying here Literalism has its problems. Since Jesus said those who believe in him would never die there can be no martyrs,,yeah right point? I refer you to verse 9 above , and to Paul's quotation from the same prophet;


For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

If you refuse to accept scripture literally there is no further point in discussion.

 

[Hitch]

If you refuse to accept scripture literally there is no further point in discussion.

Hmmm I believe that now is the time today is the day of salvation, as spoken by the prophet, and interpreted by the apostle.

I dont care whether you talk to me or not, you will ,at some point, need to reconcile with NT revelation.

In the mean maybe you can tell me when Moab will reappear?

 

[warhorse]

Hmmm I believe that now is the time today is the day of salvation, as spoken by the prophet, and interpreted by the apostle.

I dont care whether you talk to me or not, you will ,at some point, need to reconcile with NT revelation.

In the mean maybe you can tell me when Moab will reappear?

Moab- the land inhabited by the descendants of the son of Lot. Sorry, i didnt know it had disappeared. Nt revelation fits well with OT prophacy and can not be properly understood without returning it to its OT context. And no prophetical scripture can be properly interpreted without taking all of it into consideration.

 

[sdktlk]

Zec 14v 1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Food for thought with respect to this passage of Scripture in Zechariah 14. Having done a complete word study of this chapter I will post it as it literally reads and those who are disposed can tell me what it says. As it is used faily extensively nowadays to point to some future event concerning natural Jerusalem.

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 1 “Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and shall be separated your spoil in your midst.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 2 “And I will gather all the people against Jerusalem (meaning a vision of peace) battling; and shall be taken the city, and [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]plundered the house, and the woman ravished; and shall come out the midst of the city exiles, [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]and the residue of the tribes shall not be cut off from the city.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 3 “Then shall go forth the Lord and overcome those people; like when He overcame in the day [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]of battle.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 4 “And shall stand His feet in that day on the mount of Olives, which (is) in front of [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]Jerusalem (vision of peace) on the east, and shall split the mount of Olives from its middle [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]from the east even to the west, a valley very great and will move half of the mountain [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]northward and half of it southward.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 5 “And you shall flee the valley of the mountains for shall reach the valley of the mountains [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]to Azal (meaning noble) and you shall flee as you fled from before the shaking in the days of [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]Uzziah (meaning the strength of the Lord) king of Judah (meaning the praise of the Lord) and [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]shall come the Lord God with all sacredness.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 6 “And it shall be in that day there shall not be clarity the brightness shall darken:”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 7 “But it will be a day unique which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]be at the time of dusk there will be clarity.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 8 “And it will be in that day shall go out living waters from Jerusalem; half toward the eastern [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]sea, half toward the western sea: summer fruit harvest time shall come to pass.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 9 “And it shall come to pass the Lord will be king over all the earth: in that age there shall be [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]one Lord, and His Name One.”

The meanings of the names which are used in these verses I have placed in parenthesis so that we might know what those particular names mean.


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[warhorse]

Food for thought with respect to this passage of Scripture in Zechariah 14. Having done a complete word study of this chapter I will post it as it literally reads and those who are disposed can tell me what it says. As it is used faily extensively nowadays to point to some future event concerning natural Jerusalem.

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 1 “Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and shall be separated your spoil in your midst.â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 2 “And I will gather all the people against Jerusalem (meaning a vision of peace) battling; and shall be taken the city, and [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]plundered the house, and the woman ravished; and shall come out the midst of the city exiles, [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]and the residue of the tribes shall not be cut off from the city.â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 3 “Then shall go forth the Lord and overcome those people; like when He overcame in the day [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]of battle.â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 4 “And shall stand His feet in that day on the mount of Olives, which (is) in front of [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Jerusalem (vision of peace) on the east, and shall split the mount of Olives from its middle [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]from the east even to the west, a valley very great and will move half of the mountain [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]northward and half of it southward.â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 5 “And you shall flee the valley of the mountains for shall reach the valley of the mountains [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]to Azal (meaning noble) and you shall flee as you fled from before the shaking in the days of [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]Uzziah (meaning the strength of the Lord) king of Judah (meaning the praise of the Lord) and [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]shall come the Lord God with all sacredness.â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 6 “And it shall be in that day there shall not be clarity the brightness shall darken:â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 7 “But it will be a day unique which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]be at the time of dusk there will be clarity.â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 8 “And it will be in that day shall go out living waters from Jerusalem; half toward the eastern [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]sea, half toward the western sea: summer fruit harvest time shall come to pass.â€[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]V 9 “And it shall come to pass the Lord will be king over all the earth: in that age there shall be [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, serif]one Lord, and His Name One.â€

The meanings of the names which are used in these verses I have placed in parenthesis so that we might know what those particular names mean.


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It still essentially reads the same, There is a special and unique day coming in which the lord will return. He will Gather the peaple against Jerusalam and they will be nearly destroyed. Then God will poor out is vengeance on those nations The same as he did for joshua, and will set foot again in the mount of olives, there will be a great earthquake that divides the mountain into two sections with a valley running east to west. Rivers of a superior water will spring forth and the times times of refreshing will begin. And Jesus will establish his kingdom over all the earth, and no other god will be worshipped after that.

 

[sdktlk]

Paul quoted the prophet saying 2 Corinthians 6:2
(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation , who are you to say otherwise? Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Paul tells us the pattern, first the natural ,then the spiritual.

Amen, brother. The pattern is set. This is why the Apostle Paul wrote, " “[FONT=Georgia, serif]BEWARE lest any man spoil you[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] through Jewish sophistry and empty deceit, after the precepts of men, after the rudiments of the world, and [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]not after Christ[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]YOU [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]are complete[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] in Him, which is the Head of all principality and power: in whom also you are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.†(Col 2:8-11)
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