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Angle: Muslim law taking hold in parts of US

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LAS VEGAS – U.S. Senate candidate Sharron Angle told a crowd of supporters that the country needs to address a "militant terrorist situation" that has allowed Islamic religious law to take hold in some American cities.

Her comments came at a rally of tea party supporters in the Nevada resort town of Mesquite last week after the candidate was asked about Muslims angling to take over the country, and marked the latest of several controversial remarks by the Nevada Republican.

In a recording of the rally provided to The Associated Press by the Mesquite Local News, a man is heard asking Angle : "I keep hearing about Muslims wanting to take over the United States ... on a TV program just last night, I saw that they are taking over a city in Michigan and the residents of the city, they want them out. They want them out. So, I want to hear your thoughts about that."

Angle responds that "we're talking about a militant terrorist situation, which I believe it isn't a widespread thing, but it is enough that we need to address, and we have been addressing it."

"My thoughts are these, first of all, Dearborn, Michigan, and Frankford, Texas are on American soil, and under constitutional law. Not Sharia law. And I don't know how that happened in the United States," she said. "It seems to me there is something fundamentally wrong with allowing a foreign system of law to even take hold in any municipality or government situation in our United States."

Dearborn, Mich., has a thriving Muslim community. It was not immediately clear why Angle singled out Frankford, Texas, a former town that was annexed into Dallas around 1975.

Responding to the same question, she also drew comparisons between the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the Nazi Holocaust. She said the property owners behind the proposed Islamic community center near ground zero should move it in deference to the people who died there.

"There was, in Auschwitz, I think it was Auschwitz, it was at least a prisoner of war camp, where the Catholic Church owned some property and they were going to build a church there. They had every right to do it but they stepped aside and said, no, we are going to allow the Jewish people to make a monument because they lost lives," she said. "They had a responsibility to be sensitive to what had happened there and it is exactly the same thing as 9/11. Ground zero, we have a responsibility to be sensitive to the loss of a nation, to the loss of families, to the loss of life that happened there."

Angle seemed to be referring to a Roman Catholic convent at the Auschwitz death camp that Pope John Paul II ordered moved in 1993 in response to Jewish protests.

Others, including the Anti-Defamation League, the nation's leading Jewish civil rights group, have evoked the relocated convent while voicing opposition to the mosque. But the ADL also has stressed that 9/11 and the Holocaust are separate, incomparable events.

Angle's campaign did not answer questions about her statements.

"I'm pretty sure that she did make it clear that there had been incidents in the news, but there is nothing widespread, and that we have freedom of religion in this country," said spokesman Jarrod Agen in an e-mail.

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based advocacy group, called Angle's statements "bizarre."

"This seems to be an example of incoherent bigotry. It is pretty clear that she has something against Islam and Muslims but she is so incoherent you don't know what she stands for," Hooper said. "The proper response would have been, 'American Muslims are citizens like anyone else. They are free to practice their faith,' not seeming to agree that Muslims are somehow seeking to take over."

Dearborn Mayor Jack O'Reilly called Angle's comments "shameful." He said tea party groups inaccurately spread the word that his Detroit suburb was ruled by Islamic law after members of an anti-Islam group were arrested at an Arab cultural festival in June because a Christian volunteer complained of harassment.

"She took it as face value and maligned the city of Dearborn and I consider that totally irresponsible," he said. "If she wants to come here, I will take her on a tour. I will show her we follow the Constitution just as well as anyone else."

Angle, a Southern Baptist, has called herself a faith-based politician. Among her positions, she opposes abortion in all circumstances, including rape and incest and doesn't believe the Constitution requires the separation of church and state.

Angle is in a dead-heat race against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has also said the community center, which would include a mosque, should be built elsewhere. A recent poll showed Reid and Angle tied in the high-profile campaign.

Reid's campaign said Angle's comments advances its ongoing campaign to portray her as outside mainstream America.

"The fact that Sharron Angle believes American cities have been taken over by militant terrorist organizations that are ruling our citizens under Sharia law shows a terrifying lack of connection with reality and a willingness to subscribe to conspiracy theories that demonstrates she's far too extreme and dangerous to represent Nevada in the U.S. Senate," spokesman Kelly Steele said.
Angle: Muslim law taking hold in parts of US - Yahoo! News
 
What has been happening in those cities? Are the women there required to wear burkas? Has alcohol been banned? Everybody required to pray 5 times a day? What has happened there that makes you think that Muslims have taken over these cities?
 
What has been happening in those cities? Are the women there required to wear burkas? Has alcohol been banned? Everybody required to pray 5 times a day? What has happened there that makes you think that Muslims have taken over these cities?
Nothing has happens. Its just a bunch of people throwing a tantrum that another religion beside Christianity is actually prospering in the United States.

In order to grab attention they have to say terrorists, sharia law, etc.

It gets your fear going and makes you mad. That's about it. Lewis has been quite vocal about his anti Muslim ideals. Surf the Mosque thread if you want to see his full opinion on the freedoms of Muslims in America.

Its just old fashioned chest beating and territory issues, mixed with political spin. Nothing more.
 
Is this what it's all about?


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They say it was on a public sidewalk, but it looks like a parking lot to me. Parking lots are usually (though not always) private property. If the owner doesn't want you there, he has the right to have you removed. You don't have to be doing anything illegal and it doesn't have to have anything to do with Muslims or Sharia law.

Assuming that it was indeed a public sidewalk and what they said about the other places they showed is correct, it still has nothing to do with Sharia law. I don't know exactly what the laws in America say about it, but I think it's probably similar to the laws here in Iceland.

If you are doing something that a police officer believes will lead to conflict or violence, he can ask you to stop and/or move, even if what you are doing is, strictly speaking, not illegal. You are required by law to obey any legal request from a police officer. If you refuse, he can arrest you. Look at this example of how it could work...

Suppose you are standing outside a government building (city hall, congress, etc.) where you know that members of the government (mayor, senators, city counsil, etc.) will soon be coming out. You have a basket of eggs in one hand and a single egg in the other. Now, there's nothing illegal about standing on public property with a basket of eggs, but if a police officer sees you and suspects that you are about to pelt government officials with those eggs, he has every right to ask you to leave. If you refuse, he can and most likely will arrest you, even though you have technically not done anything illegal (exept refusing the officer's request).

If you start distributing Christian literature at or near a Muslim festival in a purely (or nearly purely) Muslim area of town, it is very likely to lead to conflict, and it is not unlikely that that conflict will erupt into violence. The police have a right to try to prevent that. It isn't about Sharia law, it's about keeping the peace. That's what their job is.

Aside from all that, there may be a reason to question why there are places where it's not safe to share our faith. If the police have to get involved to prevent violence or riots from starting as a result of someone sharing his faith (such things do happen in some countries), then maybe there really is something wrong.
 
I'm about a 40 minute drive from Dearborn, Michigan and used to have a job that took me into those parts. This is the first time I've seen this video. I'd like to hear more details about the reasoning behind the ordinance. That's news to me. I wonder when it took place. :confused:

The closest thing to "laws" that I've heard of there was when there was a court ruling that allowed them to sound bells that could be heard throughout the city at their designated prayer times. (A church was forced to lower the volume of their bells due to a noise ordinance. :shame ) Dearborn and a few other cities near it are very heavily populated by Muslims and Arabics. You couldn't see from the video, but billboards, store signs and advertising is very heavily weighted in Arabic. City signs are in English. One can argue that they need to assimilate to America in learning our primary language, but I don't see anything wrong in private advertising appealing to their populous.

It is an ominous feeling to be driving down a city street in the U.S. and see such prominence of their culture enveloping the area.

I'll have to do some poking around to see exactly what the ordinances say about distributing such material on public streets in the area. :shame
 
lewis has muslim family members. he has never denied that.

Yes I do, and I love them but I can't stand their faith, and they know it. They are heathens of the highest order.
Muslims operate by another type spirit, and it is not a good one, I can tell you that, Philadelphia is loaded with them, so I see what they do. And Lance you always go against the grain, and we have come to expect that out of you, just don't get to carried away, like you use to. I love you Lance I really do, but I can't stand what you stand for. Just like you can't stand mine. Many people are getting frustrated with your anti Christian post's. But as for me ,as long as you don't go overboard, you are ok, because people like you keep me on my P's & Q's. You help keep me sharp for dealing with people like you. But one more time, just don't get to carried away, I was the first one to vote for your return, so don't make me. Otherwise than that I think you are one great cat man.
 
Yes I do, and I love them but I can't stand their faith, and they know it. They are heathens of the highest order.
Muslims operate by another type spirit, and it is not a good one, I can tell you that, Philadelphia is loaded with them, so I see what they do. And Lance you always go against the grain, and we have come to expect that out of you, just don't get to carried away, like you use to. I love you Lance I really do, but I can't stand what you stand for. Just like you can't stand mine. Many people are getting frustrated with your anti Christian post's. But as for me ,as long as you don't go overboard, you are ok, because people like you keep me on my P's & Q's. You help keep me sharp for dealing with people like you. But one more time, just don't get to carried away, I was the first one to vote for your return, so don't make me. Otherwise than that I think you are one great cat man.
I'm not trying to cause conflict purposely. I have nothing personally against you either. I'm not anti Christian either and most everyone here knows my best friends are all in a Christian Hardcore band. I understand why you are against Muslims/Islam and respect that. I only comment when I feel a storm might be brewing and I try to give an outside comment to counter balance.

I really don't even try to make Anti Christian posts either, I think its more about how people take my posts then their actual intent. Its part of the internet where everyone is naturally defensive.
 
Chinatown? Little Italy? Spanish Harlem? The Wild West?

I've seen that video concerning ActsApologetics. It is shocking! However, that is not an isolated event in an isolated area. It's happening all over the country. Muslims aren't the problem. Sharia Law is. When Sharia Law takes over this country we will either already be dead or we will be killed.

Sharia Law: the new boogey man.
 
theLords hit it right on the head when she said "Sharia is the new boogey man" - the boogey man is a fictional fear, most likely drummed up by some authority figure, to get their subordinates to do what they want using fear.

If politicians tryed using communism or Nazism or the Black Power Movement of the past to elicit fear in the hearts of voters, they would get nowhere - but the mysterious force of Sharia law is a great motivational tool - it contains all the right ingrediants:
1. Its foreign sounding - Sharia is word only brown people use in conversation (literally means "laws", so technically the American Crimanal Justice System enforces Sharia)
2. Its stems from an unknown religion, a religion populated by yet more brown people.
3. Its not very well defined in the minds of those who fear it
4. Its been made to seem as if it can appear any where and at anytime and from any angle - Sharia law is hiding behind your bushes, ready to pounce on an innocent Mom as she gets home from a soccer game with her kids, ready to throw a burqa on her and then stone her to death.....dont look now, but sharia law is STANDING RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!! AHHHHH

I do think that the American public is over reacting to Muslim neighborhoods. But I think that the uproar over Sharia Law is good. It means people are awake and aware. And they are willing to stand up against it. Did you watch the video? I've seen their other ones. For that kind of thing to happen in MICHIGAN!!?? For the police to treat American citizens like that? England already has Sharia Law (granted their banking/financial laws, but you give a mouse a cookie and he'll ask for a glass of milk)

As you mock Americans, you seem to overlook the cruelty within Sharia Law. Death to apostates, Murder anyone who insults the prophet (is it actual Sharia Law? I don't know. But the Muslims sure seem to think so :shrug) Stone adulterers, Kill homosexuals, cut off the thief's hands.
 
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No wonder Americans are so spooked? There is a bad fear there, as well as a healthy one.

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theLords, you forgot to include the part that says:

The graphics below are staged.
 
Your right. I included some photoshopped ones which I will remove as I didn't realize it at the moment. The other ones are not fake :shame
 
Americans see this happening in Europe and this scares them. I feel for those Americans who have to worry about these things. As Christians we get to put our hope, faith, love and trust in God. We get to ask for His mercy and protection. The unbelievers don't have what we have. They have to deal with such things all on their own.
 
Your right. I included some photoshopped ones which I will remove as I didn't realize it at the moment. The other ones are not fake :shame

I see you've removed the photoshopped signs, but that isn't what I was talking about. The site says that the pictures of the kid being run over by a car are faked. Please take them down.
 
I see you've removed the photoshopped signs, but that isn't what I was talking about. The site says that the pictures of the kid being run over by a car are faked. Please take them down.

My apologies. I didn't see the fine print. It's strange that they would stage such a thing for tourists :confused:
 
I see you've removed the photoshopped signs, but that isn't what I was talking about. The site says that the pictures of the kid being run over by a car are faked. Please take them down.
I used those photos of that kid years back like around 5 or 6 years ago on another site, and was thought to have been fake or staged by some, and real to others. I think that the Muslims are saying that it is staged. Why would Muslims stage something like this.

Boy getting his are run over for stealing bread, is it real or fake, you make the call.
snopes.com: Islamic Justice -- Boy Punished for Stealing Bread
 
Keep the fear alive theLords

I wont go in to the details regarding sharia law or capital punishment for certain acts under sharia law because the information on the reality of things is out there, and you can find that info if youd like. The problem comes from the lack of knowledge of Sharia law by the majority of Americans, and the misleading statements like 'Sharia law in Michigan'

There is not a country on earth that enacts complete sharia law - if it were to show up in America, before it shows up in Syria or Pakistan - I will be shocked. Ive been to Muslim lands were some sharia law is implemented, so I have actual been to a place where sharia law is enforced, another reason why I dont fear the unknown.

the point is - Sharia law is the newest boogey man - the newest threat used to heard the masses. And no matter how you rationalize it, you are just another victim of mass fear hysteria. When you break it down, many Americans irational fear of Sharia law looming on the horizon, is no different than when white parents would hurry to get their kids out of a pool that black kid just jumped into.

The fact is Sharia law wont ever be enacted here unless Muslims run the govt and the country, and thats not happening anytime soon - and thats even a big "if" - because in countries where Muslims DO run the govt, they tend not to enforce Sharia law.

Americans see this happening in Europe and this scares them. I feel for those Americans who have to worry about these things. As Christians we get to put our hope, faith, love and trust in God. We get to ask for His mercy and protection. The unbelievers don't have what we have. They have to deal with such things all on their own.

You seem to miss my points entirely. Americans see such things on the news happening in England. This is the reason they overreact. I sympathize with them. They don't have a merciful Christ to seek refuge in (unbelievers and Christmas/Easter Christians) No wonder they are so terrified! If I didn't have the promises of the Lord Jesus to cling to I would be one of those Americans! It's easy to call those overreacting Americans "Islamophobes" and hate monger-ers, but the example of those pictures is WHY they are so afraid. What can you expect from a people group who don't have a God to cling too, and who's government is taking away their rights on a daily basis?

It's good there's an uproar about "the coming Sharia Law" because it shows Americans are awake! The dearborn Michigan police violated Constitutional rights. That is the real issue. Arizona was/is (I'm not up to date on this) handed over to the UN over their immigration laws. Now the US government is allowing the Mexican government to bring legal actions against Arizona too. Now the same things are being birthed in Michigan. This is not an Islamic issue at all. This is a constitutional issue. This is happening all over our country and our government is letting it. The rights of American citizens are vanishing. It all started with 9/11/2001. The Patriot Act, the war on terror, the turmoil of the current US. The path for the Anti Christ is being set.
 
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