Anyone Believe in the "NEW WORLD ORDER".......

[K stunna]

I indeed do believe that that Satan is started his campaign already to start the "One World/Nation" and destroy Christianity and have the "One World Fake Religion" and the Anit-Christ, feel very strongly in this for some reason that real Christians dont have much time left before they are persecuted and killed for their faith and God

I've really never met a Christian that didnt believe in the "Illuminati" or the "New World Order" plans, i mostly think cause they read Revalations and know that all these things were put in there and are meant to happen

 

[Danus]

This might be one for the "end times" section

As for Christians believing in organised existence of the "new world order", there are many of us who do not waste our time with these thoughts and frankly do not care one bit.

So, you've just meet a Christian who does not really believe it, and does not care about it. Nice to meet you. :waving

 

[K stunna]

This might be one for the "end times" section

As for Christians believing in organised existence of the "new world order", there are many of us who do not waste our time with these thoughts and frankly do not care one bit.

So, you've just meet a Christian who does not really believe it, and does not care about it. Nice to meet you. :waving

I disagree with this being in the wrong section because i believe these things to be progressing everyday and not just constricted to the end of days

 

[Damascus]

I do believe in it, and have spent many, many hours of research on it. On an elementary stage of study I let it play with my emotions and cause worry, but moving past that, I've realized it's all a part of the Master plan, and these things must happen. One day, I realized that I put so much time and effort into understanding and being able to catch the sleight of hand of the enemy, that I had become lax in my approach to God. He laid Ecclesiastes upon my heart. It changed my perspective.

"All is vanity." There is nothing new under the sun. One may increase all of their understanding and wisdom, but with more knowledge comes more hurt, with more understanding comes more suffering. People come and people go, but the world never changes. What is happening now has happened before. Everything has it's time -- birth and death, planting and reaping. Killing and healing. Destroying and building. God has appointed them all.

Knowing this, we should rejoice in the things that are happening. On one way of seeing it, it's easy to despair and worry, knowing full well the capacity of the enemy. On another, it's best to realize that we are blessed to live in the age that we will see these things take place, even if it means our martyrdom. A broken and contrite heart God will not despite, He is near to the broken. God afflicts the chosen, pruning them, to make them bear fruit. He casts them into the furnace not to destroy them, but to purify them like silver. All of these things for our holiness and His glory.

In the end, yes, I do believe in the New World Order. I do believe in the spiritual wickedness in high places that some people have been known to call "The Illuminati." I think it's a mistake to call them that, because of the disinformation tactics used to make their existence seem like science fiction and fairy tale (Da Vinci Code, Video Game and Comic Book references, TV and Movie references, even children programming references), but their existence is true. They're an ancient religion with roots to ancient Sumeria and Babylon who believed, and believe, that Lucifer offered, and offers, mankind the ability to become "enlightened", and that God jealously guards the wisdom for men to become like Him, which is why the knowledge of the tree was banned from us.

Yes, I think that Christians will begin to see persecution on a physical and fatal scale in the US. The recently-signed NDAA gave the authority to detain and interrogate suspected terrorists without the right to trial, and the infamously named Project Megiddo in '99 named end-times believing Christians as possible terrorists, along with those who believe the government is pushing towards totalitarianism, and/or the establishment of a universal government.

I can't say if it will be this year, next year, or forty years from now, as there are many more things that have to take place... but the ability for these things to happen are here, the groundwork is established and a lot of major pieces are in place.

 

[TonkaTim]

I disagree with this being in the wrong section because i believe these things to be progressing everyday and not just constricted to the end of days

On a geopolitical scale it appears we are moving closer & closer to global governance on a daily basis. The Bible warns clearly about it.

As far as the NWO I think the two wikipedia articles put it into prespective.

If one is all for the NWO aka global governance than this article is about them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(politics)
You're hip, you're cool.

If one is against the NWO aka global governance than this article is about them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)
You're unhip, you're uncool.

The irony is both articles basically list the same history.

For folks to deny Satan's influence over idea, the minds of men & nations is to deny the Scriptures.
Satan will continue to work towards his goal of total global dominance by deceiving the nations until Yeshua tosses him into the pit. Knowing this, analyzing the influence of evil in world affairs should be perfectly acceptable to all Christian Believers.

 

[Danus]

For folks to deny Satan's influence over idea, the minds of men & nations is to deny the Scriptures.
Satan will continue to work towards his goal of total global dominance by deceiving the nations until Yeshua tosses him into the pit. Knowing this, analyzing the influence of evil in world affairs should be perfectly acceptable to all Christian Believers.

What Christian would deny that Satan has an influence in the world? When you say; "For folks to deny Satan's influence over idea, the minds of men & nations is to deny the Scriptures." You're essentially speaking of the "folks" who deny the scriptures.

But, why is it perfectly acceptable for those who trust in God to "analyze" evil in the world?

A. We know there is evil in the world.
B. God has providential control
C. Those who trust in God are saved.

True? or not?

 

[Christ_empowered]

I don't know. Satan rules the world; power, prestige, position, and wealth make everybody--from the lowest person on the social totem pole to the person at the top--fall "into line" with what The Enemy wants. So, sure--maybe there is an NWO. I don't know. I imagine its largely the same stuff--propaganda, promotion of sin, greed, etc.--just using technology and exploiting today's inter-connected world and the increasing concentration of wealth, property, and power into the hands of a shrinking elite class.

 

[TonkaTim]

What Christian would deny that Satan has an influence in the world? When you say; "For folks to deny Satan's influence over idea, the minds of men & nations is to deny the Scriptures." You're essentially speaking of the "folks" who deny the scriptures.

But, why is it perfectly acceptable for those who trust in God to "analyze" evil in the world?

A. We know there is evil in the world.
B. God has providential control
C. Those who trust in God are saved.

True? or not?

Why is it perfectly acceptable?

Because God expects us to be knowledgeable & informed.
To not be deceived.
To be good watchmen.
To separate ourselves.
To come out of the Great Whore.

If one is ignorant they can not follow God's expectations for Believers and discern. Through ignorance Believers will not know what to separate from or what to come out of.

From Genesis forward God has shown He is against global governance of man. The centralization of power in the hands of men. History shows every time men attempt to do so they commit great evil. God divided the nations, peoples, & tongues for a reason. The only legitimate global governance is the Kingship of Christ any other is antichrist.

 

[Hitch]

I don't know. Satan rules the world; power, prestige, position, and wealth make everybody--from the lowest person on the social totem pole to the person at the top--fall "into line" with what The Enemy wants. So, sure--maybe there is an NWO. I don't know. I imagine its largely the same stuff--propaganda, promotion of sin, greed, etc.--just using technology and exploiting today's inter-connected world and the increasing concentration of wealth, property, and power into the hands of a shrinking elite class.

P~~~~~~~~~~~~~t

 

[jasoncran]

better what is the response to said evil?

from the those that know that the devil is on the earth and reigning over the sinners

repent, watching and studying the devil like the dispys tend to do in the extreme isnt wise. doesnt matter.im not for giving away sovereignity,

but when christ comes his earth will be globally united under him so in a sense christians should be for a one world goverment. i dont think the constutiion will matter much when he comes. america isnt isreal and has no such promise in the bible of permanent promises to exist.

therefore, if sin abounds and both sides of the eschatology issue teach avoid sin and preach repent. what is wrong? nothing

on another note. God never said he would whisk his saints from the ac or death by satanic forces.,Christ died under such a system, what makes you think you are that special. we can be called to die for the lord.

 

[K stunna]

I do believe in it, and have spent many, many hours of research on it. On an elementary stage of study I let it play with my emotions and cause worry, but moving past that, I've realized it's all a part of the Master plan, and these things must happen. One day, I realized that I put so much time and effort into understanding and being able to catch the sleight of hand of the enemy, that I had become lax in my approach to God. He laid Ecclesiastes upon my heart. It changed my perspective.

"All is vanity." There is nothing new under the sun. One may increase all of their understanding and wisdom, but with more knowledge comes more hurt, with more understanding comes more suffering. People come and people go, but the world never changes. What is happening now has happened before. Everything has it's time -- birth and death, planting and reaping. Killing and healing. Destroying and building. God has appointed them all.

Knowing this, we should rejoice in the things that are happening. On one way of seeing it, it's easy to despair and worry, knowing full well the capacity of the enemy. On another, it's best to realize that we are blessed to live in the age that we will see these things take place, even if it means our martyrdom. A broken and contrite heart God will not despite, He is near to the broken. God afflicts the chosen, pruning them, to make them bear fruit. He casts them into the furnace not to destroy them, but to purify them like silver. All of these things for our holiness and His glory.

In the end, yes, I do believe in the New World Order. I do believe in the spiritual wickedness in high places that some people have been known to call "The Illuminati." I think it's a mistake to call them that, because of the disinformation tactics used to make their existence seem like science fiction and fairy tale (Da Vinci Code, Video Game and Comic Book references, TV and Movie references, even children programming references), but their existence is true. They're an ancient religion with roots to ancient Sumeria and Babylon who believed, and believe, that Lucifer offered, and offers, mankind the ability to become "enlightened", and that God jealously guards the wisdom for men to become like Him, which is why the knowledge of the tree was banned from us.

Yes, I think that Christians will begin to see persecution on a physical and fatal scale in the US. The recently-signed NDAA gave the authority to detain and interrogate suspected terrorists without the right to trial, and the infamously named Project Megiddo in '99 named end-times believing Christians as possible terrorists, along with those who believe the government is pushing towards totalitarianism, and/or the establishment of a universal government.

I can't say if it will be this year, next year, or forty years from now, as there are many more things that have to take place... but the ability for these things to happen are here, the groundwork is established and a lot of major pieces are in place.

Dude you wrote everything that i wanted to write :D

anyways to the other people, God gave signs in Revelations for a reason.....not so we can just ignore them

 

[ivorhughjarse]

i like damascus's comment but I feel compelled to state about others comments in the thread that we are not the same part of the body we are not all a right hand or all a left shoulder and what matters to one may mean nothing to another, it does not mean either is right or wrong. There are to be false Christs so it may be wise to know what the enemy is doing or we could walk along behind the first Christ to turn up, then the next

 

[Danus]

Why is it perfectly acceptable?

Because God expects us to be knowledgeable & informed.
To not be deceived.
To be good watchmen.
To separate ourselves.
To come out of the Great Whore.

To be a good watchman? you'll have to explain that. However, I agree that God expects us to to be knowledgeable, but in the things of God, not of the world.

I suppose if one is a Christian and living "IN" the world...then they except they are to be in the world and not of the world. If we are not of the world, then why are we watching what the world does? why should we be surprised what the world does when we already know it is evil? How much more evil do we need to know about the world?

If we are Christians living for Christ then how are we deceived by the world? If one reads and studies the word of God, prays and communes with God, putting on the full armor of God, then ...how are we to be deceived by the world? what value can that Christian add to their armor by analyzing the evil in the world world?

I'm not seeing the coloration.

If I have the full favor of being a saved Christian in Christ with the full protection of God as a result of my relationship with him, then what is the evil in this world to me? Is it going to get me under these circumstances?

 

[ivorhughjarse]

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If I have the full favor of being a saved Christian in Christ with the full protection of God as a result of my relationship with him, then what is the evil in this world to me? Is it going to get me under these circumstances?

Yes, be careful he who is standing lest he should fall

 

[Danus]

If I have the full favor of being a saved Christian in Christ with the full protection of God as a result of my relationship with him, then what is the evil in this world to me? Is it going to get me under these circumstances?

Yes, be careful he who is standing lest he should fall

So, your answer to my question you sited is that God is not enough. Evil will get you despite ones relationship with God and one should count on themselves more so than God. ....I disagree.

 

[jasoncran]

To be a good watchman? you'll have to explain that. However, I agree that God expects us to to be knowledgeable, but in the things of God, not of the world.

I suppose if one is a Christian and living "IN" the world...then they except they are to be in the world and not of the world. If we are not of the world, then why are we watching what the world does? why should we be surprised what the world does when we already know it is evil? How much more evil do we need to know about the world?

If we are Christians living for Christ then how are we deceived by the world? If one reads and studies the word of God, prays and communes with God, putting on the full armor of God, then ...how are we to be deceived by the world? what value can that Christian add to their armor by analyzing the evil in the world world?

I'm not seeing the coloration.

If I have the full favor of being a saved Christian in Christ with the full protection of God as a result of my relationship with him, then what is the evil in this world to me? Is it going to get me under these circumstances?

if we are in christ and are faithful, no man or devil can snatch us from him. the problem with the dispy is that if they really do buy then they should be hiding when he comes, but when that happens they wont know. so then what they preach?

 

[Danus]

if we are in christ and are faithful, no man or devil can snatch us from him. ..................... they should be hiding when he comes, but when that happens they wont know.

True; both statements.

I think we Christians sometimes operate on two planes when it comes to the world.
1. We are genuinely concerned for others.
2. We are fearful.
It's the fear we need to deal with. I can't think of a better way that to immerse ones self in the word of God.

Why all this talk about world governments and situations of man? What have we to fear of it? Honestly. Can we change it? I'd say no. Ultimately no.

Granted I'm not suggesting we sit idle and allow evil to swallow up the world as it sees fit. But I see no healthy activity in wasting ones time studying evil man when one could be using that time to study and commune with a holly good and loving God.

Yes, be careful he who is standing lest he should fall

Ivorhughjarse, let;s look at this scripture I think your citing from 1 Corinthians 12..? it says: 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!

We are talking about evil in the world, and specifically the "NEW WORLD ORDER" as the OP states, which I think we all agree is not something of God, but of the fallen nature of this world...evil. Something born of the nature of man with the hand of the Devil firmly in place.

Should we care about it? Can it get us?

If us is man in general then sure, but if "us" are Christians then no.

the scripture you used is not contextual for this discussion, I don't think. If anything it might lend credence more to the idea that we should be in the word, not the world.

From a broader perspective, 1 Corinthians 10-12, is Paul speaking to the church to give a warning about not being in the word and slipping into the world. It's not a warning about the world itself, nor is it a warning about knowing we are saved in Christ.

Let's add a little more to the verse itself. Lets go 1-13.

1 Corinthians 1-13
1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.†8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

So what does this have to do with things like the new world order, or evil in the world? Nothing really. It's about being weak in the Christ, but thinking your not and falling to the temptations of the fallen world. It has nothing to do with knowing you are firm in Christ. Oxymoron? No, it's not. because if we are worried about a new world order then we think that has power. If we are watching for evil things then we are afraid of evil, and if we are afraid of evil, then what are we but weak in Christ.

One of my favorite quotes from Jesus is this one. John 16:33: 33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.â€

Tell me now if we should believe or fear or worry about the new world order. ;)

 

[TonkaTim]

Who said they were afraid?


It's overdue for folks to be educated & informed so they can stand up, say something & do something about globalization. That takes courage.

Only the fearful wants folks to sit down, shut up, & not make waves.

Thank God the first Christians & Apostles were not sitting around in a commune thinking happy thoughts. Thank God they were bold & unafraid. They boldly proclaimed the truth and did all they could to stand. Because of their boldness the message of Christ has been spread around the world.

The current new world order is about global governance. It's about centralized power. It's politics. It's education. It's current events. It's a why in the moral decline in our society. It's a why in the declining membership in our Churches. It's about antagonism towards Christianity. It's a why in the reason more & more are rejecting Christ. It's about what's happening all around us today.

Thank God our American forebears were not sitting around in a commune thinking happy thoughts. Thank God they were bold & unafraid. They boldly proclaimed the truth & did all they could to stand. Because of them the message of Christian liberty was spread around the world.

Great reform is a blessing to those who stand firm against evil, or do we forget the Reformation started with one man boldly posting a serious critique & standing firm against the world order of his day.

I want to see another Great Awakening here in America. I want to see millions come to Christ. I want to see millions of American Christian missionaries again travel the world spreading the message of Christ. I want to see another Great Awakening of people coming to Christ all over the world. There are billions all over the world who need Christ & to hear the Message. It is the great commission of a free people.

Our people were freed because our forbears were bold & unafraid, they stood firm against the world order of their day. If we want to keep ourselves free to honor God & free others from bondage so they too can honor God, it will be because our generation is bold & unafraid. To defeat another new world order, just like the world orders of the past, it will be because of bold people standing firm in the testimony of Christ for what is right & what is just. We are in the middle of a great war right now. A war for the spirits & minds of mankind. It is a war that can only be won with Bibles not bullets. It will be won by boldness not timidity. Now is a time for action. Billions of souls are at stake. It's time to be bold & unafraid once again.

 

[jasoncran]

so we dont because we dont believe or teach the nwo?since when can satan stop god's work?

he cant. that is my position. so because we arent dispys we are weak? that is what i meant. if anything we arent leaving the earth in the trials to come if they do so that means best be leaning on jesus.

 

[TonkaTim]

The new world order is not a grand conspiracy of a few men in a smoky room. It is idea. Bad idea interjected in the world by Satan. It is carried about by ignorant men, ignorant of the Truth that is Christ.

It is not a unified cabal of people working intentionally together all over the world. It is a disunified cabal of people working unintentionally all over the world by believing in the bad ideas of Satan.

The solution is the same as it has ever been - the Word of God. The Bible. The Bible teaches far far more than just spirituality & the path to Christ. It teaches how to live in peace, good government, economics, etc. To defeat bad idea one must promote & teach good idea. To stand firm & proclaim it boldly. It's time for Christians to stand & work to defeat the evil ideas, once again. Not capitulate just because they think it could be the end. We have the testimony of those who stood before us. We have their witness that yes we can win.