Are All who call upon the Name of the LORD Jesus saved? What can disqualify a "caller"?

[for_his_glory]

You are correct. And you can prove me disqualified right now. If you and the others are correct and “calling on the name of the Lord” for salvation under the new covenant means prayer; then show me ONE just ONE example in the NT of an alien sinner needing salvation praying for it and you can prove me to be disqualified. But, if you don’t provide this then what does that say about you?

There are no specific prayers other than confessing you are a sinner and asking Jesus into your heart, Romans 10:9-10, Rev 3:20. There is nothing wrong with what they call "The Sinners Prayer" if you humble yourself before the Lord in all sincerity. Unfortunately so many just repeat the words and think they are saved like I did so many years ago as I thought just repeating that prayer was all I had to do to keep me from going to hell.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

How does one become born again?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[jerry63935]

There are no specific prayers other than confessing you are a sinner and asking Jesus into your heart, Romans 10:9-10, Rev 3:20. There is nothing wrong with what they call "The Sinners Prayer" if you humble yourself before the Lord in all sincerity. Unfortunately so many just repeat the words and think they are saved like I did so many years ago as I thought just repeating that prayer was all I had to do to keep me from going to hell.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

How does one become born again?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

man over the years has tried to improve the plan of salvation

 

[for_his_glory]

Mk 13: 1-5 and Lk 21: 5-7 should clear this up. You read those passages and it is crystal clear on what question he is dealing with. You really think the apostles were worried about his second coming? They didnt even believe he was gonna die much less be raised from the dead to ascend and then come again. You are giving the apostles a little too much credit at this time. Thomas didnt believe even after he was raised.

Not going to keep addressing this.

I know there were many jews killed. I said christians. I do not believe there were any Christian’s killed. I also do not believe there would have been many Christian’s in Jerusalem seeing that the jews were not all that hospitable to the christian faith. But, the ones that were there got out.

That's odd that there would not be any Christians living in Jerusalem in 70AD. How do you come by that statement.

Define Gods own? Also, when were all these attacks you are speaking of after AD70. Im not aware of this with all of these Christians living in Jerusalem. There weren’t even Jews in jerusalem for 1900 years after AD70.

God's own have always been those who are of faith.

Did I ever say after 70AD!!! No Jews in Jerusalem for 1900 years after 70AD..................wow!!! Do you even hear yourself Talking.

Have you ever heard of apocalyptic language? figurative language? You know, the kind that is not to be used literally but is used to describe a particular event. Let me ask you a question? If this is about the second coming of Jesus then why would it matter if a person was pregnant? Why would it matter if you went back for clothes or not? Why would it matter if you go back in your house? Why would it matter that it is winter time? You think it’ll be better for the world if Christ returns in the summer?

I take Matthew 24:29-31 to be very literal. Maybe you would like to break down the apocalyptic and figurative language in those verses if they are not literal.

Tell me when there has ever been a time in this world that there HAS NOT been “rumors of wars”? It happens everyday and will continue as long as the Lord allows this world to stand.
No, I believe that one day the Lord will return for final judgment and at that time he WILL NOT set up an earthly kingdom in Jerusalem but will destroy this earth and eternity will begin. Hence the phrase….final judgment

So you are only going to isolate just one verse out of all the verses that show all those things that must come first before Christ return!!! Of course there have always been rumor of wars.

God's earthly kingdom is already here on earth as he has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth, until all things are made new again as the tabernacle of God is within us as we reign here on earth. (We are the Spiritual Kingdom of God on earth), Rev 5:10; Luke 17:20-21.

 

[for_his_glory]

man over the years has tried to improve the plan of salvation

One can not improve perfection and that is who Christ Jesus is in God's plan of salvation.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[for_his_glory]

The reason they are so long is that you have soooo much to say and its all false doctrine so i feel that it must be dealt with. I have done all i can to keep it short. There is always so much more I would like to say.

Oh, and you hold all truths being superior in all knowledge above everyone else. That's so laughable that I can't even give you a violation of the ToS, even though I should.

 

[jerry63935]

One can not improve perfection and that is who Christ Jesus is in God's plan of salvation.

has tried not succeeded when a person adds tongues baptism works join a church.. i have seen miscarriages at the altar . had a good cry never returned back to church. stay in the same lifestyle

 

[Cnkw3]

There are no specific prayers other than confessing you are a sinner and asking Jesus into your heart, Romans 10:9-10, Rev 3:20.

Rom 10:9-10 mention belief and confession. I do not believe that the Bible considers ”confession“ a prayer. The passage specifically says…if you confess with the mouth “the Lord Jesus”. It doesn’t says “sins”. This is what we are to confess…..our belief in the Lord Jesus.
Rev 3:20 is written to a church 3:14 therefore it is written to people who are already “born again”. People who are already children of God, members of the body. These are not alien sinners needing their sins forgiven. These are unfaithful children of God that need to repent and ask for forgiveness. 3:19.

There is nothing wrong with what they call "The Sinners Prayer"

It is, if you are teaching that this is the way unto salvation, that this is the way to get into the body of Christ, to be born again. This means you can teach whatever you want and it doesn’t matter. Jesus says…
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21
Sounds like some people calling on the name of the lord through prayer right there. Who will be saved? Those that do the will of the father. Is it the fathers will that we believe and pray for our salvation in order to become a child of God? If it is then show me where in his will he told us that?

if you humble yourself before the Lord in all sincerity. Unfortunately so many just repeat the words and think they are saved like I did so many years ago as I thought just repeating that prayer was all I had to do to keep me from going to hell.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

How does one become born again?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Doesn’t this description meet the idea of being born again a little better?
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:3-4
Being baptized into Christ and being raised “to walk in newness of life”. What is born again if its not “newness of life”? Do you care to answer that one?

 

[Cnkw3]

Oh, and you hold all truths being superior in all knowledge above everyone else. That's so laughable that I can't even give you a violation of the ToS, even though I should.

Go ahead. I read but dont respond to some of your other stuff because I probably don’t disagree. I have asked questions and am still waiting answers. Have you read Mk 13:1-5 and Lk 21 yet? What exactly were they asking about in those passages? Does it remotely sound like they were asking about Christ second coming? These aren’t hard questions. If you have some then fire away. Nobody answers mine but they expect and get mad when I don’t answer theirs. Is that in your ToS?

 

[Cnkw3]

One can not improve perfection and that is who Christ Jesus is in God's plan of salvation.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

I totally agree with this post.

 

[for_his_glory]

Ok. you asked a question now I’m going to let the Bible answer it…
Does the blood of Christ wash away sins? Yes.
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Revelation 1:5
Pretty easy there huh? Pretty clear too. Now the next question is…..WHEN does the blood wash away our sins since we know it doesn’t happen to everyone.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 22:16
What? You mean river water is directly connected to the washing away of sins? NO WaY! And it’s directly connected to “calling on the name of the Lord”? NO WaY.
What the Bible (not me) just told us is…..
1. WHAT washes away sins….the blood
2. WHEN the blood washes away sins…..in the waters of baptism.
This is why Paul could describe baptism in dirty river water as being…..risen with Christ to “walk in newness of life”. Rom 6 If “newness of life” is not being born again then I don’t know what is.
This is how you let the Bible answer questions. Try it sometime.

No scripture here? Where does the Bible say we “first” confess our sins?

Again…no scripture? Where does the Bible say…repentance and confession are connected. I just showed you above how the Bible connects baptism and calling on the Lord now why don’t you do the same with repentance actually being your confession. And no Johns baptism is not NT gospel baptism. That is proven in acts 19.

Again….no scripture? You heard this from some sorry preacher like Les Feldick on TV. You didnt get it from the Bible.
The Bible said that Jesus baptized even more then John so there must have been A LOT of baptizing going on around Jesus even though he didnt physically do the baptizing. He obviously was preaching while his peeps were doing the Dunking.

You don't get it as you are so indoctrinated by whatever religious affiliation you chose to follow. Everyone has tried to show you how the doctrine you believe is is wrong by others teaching you wrongly. It's been this way ever since you became a member. The merry-go-round stops here with me in this thread as I am not going to entertain foolish doctrines and questions from you. You can believe what you want as that is your choice, and will just have to disagree, but, if you think it takes both the blood of Christ and being immersed in dirty river water to cleans us then you do not understand what the blood of Christ is all about.

You have a good eveing.

 

[for_his_glory]

Go ahead. I read but dont respond to some of your other stuff because I probably don’t disagree. I have asked questions and am still waiting answers. Have you read Mk 13:1-5 and Lk 21 yet? What exactly were they asking about in those passages? Does it remotely sound like they were asking about Christ second coming? These aren’t hard questions. If you have some then fire away. Nobody answers mine but they expect and get mad when I don’t answer theirs. Is that in your ToS?

 

[Cnkw3]

You don't get it as you are so indoctrinated by whatever religious affiliation you chose to follow. Everyone has tried to show you how the doctrine you believe is is wrong by others teaching you wrongly. It's been this way ever since you became a member. The merry-go-round stops here with me in this thread as I am not going to entertain foolish doctrines and questions from you. You can believe what you want as that is your choice, and will just have to disagree, but, if you think it takes both the blood of Christ and being immersed in dirty river water to cleans us then you do not understand what the blood of Christ is all about.

You have a good eveing.

Well you are correct. You can believe what you want. I did you a favor. I took time out of my day to specifically show you how the Bible, not me, ties the washing away of sins to blood and water. None of that was my opinion. It was strictly book chapter and verses and Nothing taken out of context.
I think you for your time. I mainly like coming on these forums from time to time because I know there are people who like to visit these things and don’t care to post but they like to read the exchanges that are made. That is who I am posting for. Not you. I know that if you are willing to post on something like this you are convicted to the end that your way is the right way and you will die in that belief. But i take the position of Paul….
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Acts 20:27

 

[Cnkw3]

Another easy question totally ignored. I would hate to think this was what my faith was based on.

 

[for_his_glory]

Go ahead. I read but dont respond to some of your other stuff because I probably don’t disagree. I have asked questions and am still waiting answers. Have you read Mk 13:1-5 and Lk 21 yet? What exactly were they asking about in those passages? Does it remotely sound like they were asking about Christ second coming? These aren’t hard questions. If you have some then fire away. Nobody answers mine but they expect and get mad when I don’t answer theirs. Is that in your ToS?

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Pretty much sounds like they were asking Jesus about His second coming. Maybe your Bible does not read this way as I have no idea what Bible or church you go to. Maybe you could tell us what church you attend and what Bible you use then maybe we could understand you a little better.

 

[for_his_glory]

I totally agree with this post.

Well at least we can agree with this.

 

[Hopeful]

no body said with out sin i have a advocate and i also have 1 john 1:9 but most all i have a know so salvation i know that i know beyond any shadow of doubt.. you added to my words . i dont need a legalist belief that makes me beg everyday not to Go to hell . i am under grace not law

If you still commit sin, you are under the Law, as "by the Law is the knowledge of sin". (Rom 3:20)
As Paul wrote..."Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" (1 Tim 1:9-10)

Better than being a sinner, is using that 1 John 1:9 scripture and start walking in the 1 John 1:7 scripture..."But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

 

[Cnkw3]

man over the years has tried to improve the plan of salvation

I would agree. Instead of just doing what peter commanded to do in the very first gospel sermon of all time man has made change after change to a very direct and simple process.

 

[jerry63935]

If you still commit sin, you are under the Law, as "by the Law is the knowledge of sin". (Rom 3:20)

yes and no james to him who knows to do good and does not is a SIN .. there are 3 stages of sanctification positional first saved progressive we grow in Holiness work in progress ( yes we will sin yes we will fall short ) then last stage ultimate we made it home our growth work on earth is done

Better than being a sinner, is using that 1 John 1:9 scripture and start walking in the 1 John 1:7 scripture..."But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

do you dot every I cross every t never sin? romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, the law was our school master until Christ came it is written my little children i write to you that you sin Not .but if you do we have a advocate Grace says we can be forgiven grace says if you fail i will help you back up , Grace is not a license to sin but it is there to help us we can approach the throne of grace with boldness and find mercy and help in time of need

 

[jerry63935]

I just gave you two witnesses to prove that what I teach is correct. How many do you need? This is what i argue about the most. If people would let the Bible define what it means instead of you and Billy Graham putting your own spin and false doctrine in there things would go so much better.

Billy Graham like all ministers are a messenger one plants one waters God gives increase . while i do not agree with mass altar call say this prayer .. But if its from the heart there just as saved as next person

 

[Cnkw3]

Billy Graham like all ministers are a messenger one plants one waters God gives increase . while i do not agree with mass altar call say this prayer .. But if its from the heart there just as saved as next person

So you get to decide who is saved and who isnt? I mean you just declared people “saved” who did what Billy told them to do even though the Bible NEVER told anybody to do it that way. God is the only one who can declare who the saved will be. And yes, he has done just that many times over in his word and then gave us example after example. And none of the examples looked like Billy Grahams invitation.