Are God's powers limited?

[Ruben]

If God is all powerful then why did He let this world of suffering happen?

When Satan challenged God as in Job why didn't God just tell him to take a walk or perhaps better just wiped him out?

 

[Drew]

I think that when God committed to creating the rich complex world in which we live, he may have had effectively had no choice but to "close certain doors" even to Himself. Perhaps in making the world "a certain way", God converted certain "possibilities" into realites and other "possibilities" into impossibilities.

 

[gingercat]

If God is all powerful then why did He let this world of suffering happen?

When Satan challenged God as in Job why didn't God just tell him to take a walk or perhaps better just wiped him out?

God is not like us impatient and inperfect. He let satan prove how wrong he is. Look around us; how is the world doing? filled with hatred, poverty, wars, prejedice, hunger, diseases and etc.. It is becoming even worse and worse. I am glad I am on God's side. I have inner peace and hope for perfect world. Without trusting God through Jesus, we will perish with satan when the time comes.

 

[Novum]

Look around us; how is the world doing? filled with hatred, poverty, wars, prejedice, hunger, diseases and etc.. It is becoming even worse and worse. *

* Note: This description of the world is just gingercat's opinion. Rational, sane forum members would do well to not treat it as fact and, more importantly, are encouraged to develop their own beliefs; especially in the light of constant new advances in science and medicine.

 

[gingercat]

Novum, where do you live? Are you not exposed to the media?

 

[Novum]

Novum, where do you live?

I guess you missed the little "Location" line below my name. :roll:

Are you not exposed to the media?

Of course I am, but it seems you aren't. You only focus on negative news in your desperate attempt to uphold your negative worldview. The rest of us know that it's not all bad; and that, over time, it's getting better.

 

[Vic C.]

Over time, it's getting better?

What planet do you live on?

Look around us; how is the world doing? filled with hatred, poverty, wars, prejedice, hunger, diseases and etc.. It is becoming even worse and worse. *

* Note: This description of the world is just gingercat's opinion. Rational, sane forum members would do well to not treat it as fact and, more importantly, are encouraged to develop their own beliefs; especially in the light of constant new advances in science and medicine.

Science and medicine have NO answers for the type of heart disease man has contracted.

 

[gingercat]

Novum, where do you live?

I guess you missed the little "Location" line below my name. :roll:

Are you not exposed to the media?

Of course I am, but it seems you aren't. You only focus on negative news in your desperate attempt to uphold your negative worldview. The rest of us know that it's not all bad; and that, over time, it's getting better.

I am just being ralistic and seeing the world as it is. Have you smelled the fresh air lately? We are always fearing when one of our enemy is going to push the botton of nuclear weapon against this country.

If you are not Jesus' follower all you have is just this imperfect world, but Jesus followers have hope of eternal perfect paradice.

 

[Drew]

Over time, it's getting better?

What planet do you live on?

I live on planet Earth and I indeed think things are getting better. I have heard from a reliable source that 500 years ago, people lived half their lives with a toothache. I'll take things the way they are now, thank you very much. I do not think you realize the vast reductions in suffering and improvements in convenience that technology has brought us.

It may appear that things are getting worse, but this (I suspect) has much to do with the media and its capability to fill our somewhat morbid appetite for grim news. I have heard that, despite media reports, violent crime is on the decline.

Would you really want to live 500 years ago? This question is especially directed at women.

 

[JM]

The world is clearly dying. see also Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

 

[Drew]

The world is clearly dying. see also Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

If you are implying that the 2nd Law has some influence on whether "things are getting better or not" or whether we are headed to destruction, I submit that you are mistaken.

Someone else want to handle this one, or shall I?

Novum, this seems like something right up your alley (and I mean that in a complimentary way, despite any disagreements we may have had over the nature of scientific models).

 

[gingercat]

Drew,

Are you non-believer too?

 

[JM]

The world is clearly dying. see also Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

If you are implying that the 2nd Law has some influence on whether "things are getting better or not" or whether we are headed to destruction, I submit that you are mistaken.

Someone else want to handle this one, or shall I?

Novum, this seems like something right up your alley (and I mean that in a complimentary way, despite any disagreements we may have had over the nature of scientific models).

Before Drew misleads you by injecting is own thoughts into my post, read it. I simply agreed with Vic and offered another avenue of study. Drew wrote, "if you are implying" and I do no such thing. DREW, is reading into my post his own views as he does most other topics.

:bday:

 

[JM]

Drew,

Are you non-believer too?

That's the question on most of our minds.

 

[Drew]

The world is clearly dying. see also Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

If you are implying that the 2nd Law has some influence on whether "things are getting better or not" or whether we are headed to destruction, I submit that you are mistaken.

Someone else want to handle this one, or shall I?

Novum, this seems like something right up your alley (and I mean that in a complimentary way, despite any disagreements we may have had over the nature of scientific models).

Before Drew misleads you by injecting is own thoughts into my post, read it. I simply agreed with Vic and offered another avenue of study. Drew wrote, "if you are implying" and I do no such thing. DREW, is reading into my post his own views as he does most other topics.

:bday:

Let's see what Vic said (to which you say that you are agreeing):

Over time, it's getting better?

What planet do you live on?

To agree with Vic (who obviously believes that things are getting worse) and also say:

The world is clearly dying. see also Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

sure sounds like a claim that the second law in some way supports the view that things are getting worse.

In any event, I can understand a desire to distance yourself from any implication that the second law has anything to do with whether the world is getting better or not.

It would be an embarassingly silly claim to make.....

By the way, in relation to precisely what do you suggest study of entropy and the second law? Presumably this suggestion has some relation to this thread.

 

[JM]

: see what I mean? There just isn't enough in my post for Drew to work with so he makes it up. Sad.

Drew,

Are you non-believer too?

Well Drew, we're still waiting to hear from you on this one. I can understand how you'd want to twist a while, shifting focus from this direct question about your salvation, you've been misleading us for a while. By the tone of your posts, you come off sounding sure of your "orthodoxy", but fail to provide any understanding of Scripture even denying basic Christian doctrine.

Well?

 

[Drew]

Drew,

Are you non-believer too?

That's the question on most of our minds.

In order to redress the beatings his arguments have taken over the past few months, it would serve JM well to plant the idea in the mind of the reader that I am a non-believer.

The blood of Jesus Christ has indeed cleansed me and I seek to be an instrument in the working out of his purposes.

 

[JM]

Drew,

Are you non-believer too?

That's the question on most of our minds.

In order to redress the beatings his arguments have taken over the past few months, it would serve JM well to plant the idea in the mind of the reader that I am a non-believer.

The blood of Jesus Christ has indeed cleansed me and I seek to be an instrument in the working out of his purposes.

:D It wasn't me that brought it up, it was mentioned by someone else tonight...and by another a few weeks ago.

Nice try.

 

[Drew]

: see what I mean? There just isn't enough in my post for Drew to work with so he makes it up. Sad.

Drew,

Are you non-believer too?

Well Drew, we're still waiting to hear from you on this one. I can understand how you'd want to twist a while, shifting focus from this direct question about your salvation, you've been misleading us for a while. By the tone of your posts, you come off sounding sure of your "orthodoxy", but fail to provide any understanding of Scripture even denying basic Christian doctrine.

Well?

Do you not tire of embarassing yourself? I answered gingercat's question. Now please tell us all - of what relevance is the statement about entropy and the 2nd law of thermo?

33 minutes passed from the time of posting of gingercat's question and your post stating "Well Drew, we're still waiting to hear from you on this one". 33 minutes.....

but fail to provide any understanding of Scripture even denying basic Christian doctrine.

Code for "but fail to agree with JM"

 

[Novum]

The world is clearly dying. see also Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

If you are implying that the 2nd Law has some influence on whether "things are getting better or not" or whether we are headed to destruction, I submit that you are mistaken.

Someone else want to handle this one, or shall I?

Novum, this seems like something right up your alley (and I mean that in a complimentary way, despite any disagreements we may have had over the nature of scientific models).

Aye, that's my sort of thing. But before I can address JM, I need to ask something of my own:

JM, what the heck do you mean? How do these concepts relate to this discussion?