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Are the 144,000 Christian?
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NJBeliever
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They are Jews from the 12 tribes.
So says the Baptist (which I am).
So says the Baptist (which I am).
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RaymondKroft
Guest
They wont be bound by religion! they wont need a book and they wont need a church, nor a congregation, or a graven image. (objects of marbel wood and stone, kind of like a cross with a dead guy on it) and they will build the city as spoke of in Haggai!
GodspromisesRyes
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They are certianly believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and His followers, lambs, disciples 
so as we call them=christians.- uh, but they are the real kind
so as we call them=christians.- uh, but they are the real kind 
jasoncran
Member
i am jewish, by ancestry. one might think that jews of 144,000 are of the jewish lineage not the faith(rather by tribe)
this is so that isreal will be restored, why all the trouble of named tribes for an allegory.
think what the messianic jews are doing. reaching the jewish(faith) nation.
a gentile can convert(proselyte) to the judaism faith. i know of some.
Madonna,at one time. scary thought.
this is so that isreal will be restored, why all the trouble of named tribes for an allegory.
think what the messianic jews are doing. reaching the jewish(faith) nation.
a gentile can convert(proselyte) to the judaism faith. i know of some.
Madonna,at one time. scary thought.
If you know your Bible history, then you should know that not all the 144,000 are Jews.
Regardless of the fact that anyone can become a religious Jew, the word Jew originated from the sole tribe of Judah. And it was applied to the three tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, also called the "house of Judah" per God's Word. They made up the southern Israelite kingdom after God split old Israel into two kingdoms.
The greater majority of Israelites were of the ten tribes of the northern kingdom, called the "house of Israel" in God's Word.
JEWS of the "house of Judah":
Judah,
Benjamin,
Levi
ISRAELITES of the ten tribed "house of Israel":
Gad,
Reuben,
Aser (Asher),
Nephthalim (Napthtali),
Manasses (Manasseh)
Simeon
Issachar
Zabulon (Zebulun)
Joseph
Dan is left out, but put back in per Ezekiel 48.
The ten tribes were scattered first, never to return to the holy land. They lost their heritage as part of Israel. Most of them don't know they even have an Israelite origin. If you've never heard of this, then it's because of men's traditions being taught instead, wrongly assigning all Israelites as Jews. Even Jewish rabbi understand how the ten tribes of Israel have been lost to the world and to themselves, and have not dwelt among the Jews since they were scattered.
Regardless of the fact that anyone can become a religious Jew, the word Jew originated from the sole tribe of Judah. And it was applied to the three tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, also called the "house of Judah" per God's Word. They made up the southern Israelite kingdom after God split old Israel into two kingdoms.
The greater majority of Israelites were of the ten tribes of the northern kingdom, called the "house of Israel" in God's Word.
JEWS of the "house of Judah":
Judah,
Benjamin,
Levi
ISRAELITES of the ten tribed "house of Israel":
Gad,
Reuben,
Aser (Asher),
Nephthalim (Napthtali),
Manasses (Manasseh)
Simeon
Issachar
Zabulon (Zebulun)
Joseph
Dan is left out, but put back in per Ezekiel 48.
The ten tribes were scattered first, never to return to the holy land. They lost their heritage as part of Israel. Most of them don't know they even have an Israelite origin. If you've never heard of this, then it's because of men's traditions being taught instead, wrongly assigning all Israelites as Jews. Even Jewish rabbi understand how the ten tribes of Israel have been lost to the world and to themselves, and have not dwelt among the Jews since they were scattered.
jasoncran
Member
that's correct, but also take note the word jew is actually a hate word. the babylonians called the tribe of judah that,.(jewry, in the kjv)the people are actually hebrew. i prefer hebrew for that reason, since we dont know where we are from(tribe wise).
just like the german word for jew is juden(yooden) which sends cringes down my neck for it was used as in a jewish dog sense.
hmm that comment makes me look at that verse again on the 144,000
just like the german word for jew is juden(yooden) which sends cringes down my neck for it was used as in a jewish dog sense.
hmm that comment makes me look at that verse again on the 144,000
NJBeliever
Member
Let's just take some time to examine the Scripture.
Revelation 14: 1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
First off, they are on Mt. Sion, which is in Heaven.
Secondly, they are sealed by God.
-- They were "redeemed" from the Earth and they are not only virgins, they have never lied and have no fault before God. The word for "without fault" in Greek is "amomoi" which Peter us in 1 Peter 3:19 to describe Christ. So how are these men standing blameless before the throne of God?
-- They are the "firstfruits" unto God and the Lamb. I am very curious because I think that seals the deal these are NOT 144,000 Jewish virgins who happen to be called to duty at the end times. Remember this passage:
1 Corinthians 15: 20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
So how are these men "firstfruits" unto God and the Lamb? I just write this because I think focusing on everything said about these men (people seem to really zoom in on them being virgins) will make it easier to identify them. Just something to consider.
Revelation 14: 1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
First off, they are on Mt. Sion, which is in Heaven.
Secondly, they are sealed by God.
-- They were "redeemed" from the Earth and they are not only virgins, they have never lied and have no fault before God. The word for "without fault" in Greek is "amomoi" which Peter us in 1 Peter 3:19 to describe Christ. So how are these men standing blameless before the throne of God?
-- They are the "firstfruits" unto God and the Lamb. I am very curious because I think that seals the deal these are NOT 144,000 Jewish virgins who happen to be called to duty at the end times. Remember this passage:
1 Corinthians 15: 20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
So how are these men "firstfruits" unto God and the Lamb? I just write this because I think focusing on everything said about these men (people seem to really zoom in on them being virgins) will make it easier to identify them. Just something to consider.
The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said the name Jew is what the remnant of the house of Judah that returned from the 70 years Babylon captivity began calling themselves. He said all living in the land began to take the name Jew, meaning non-Israelites living in Judea also. He said that's when it first began to be used. I think it actually may have started as a name when Israel was split into two kingdoms, to distinguish Judah and Benjamin in the southern kingdom apart from the ten tribed kingdom in the north.
I've never heard of the Babylonians coining the name. And though some have used the name Jew in a hate sense, I see it simply as a shortened form of Judah, or maybe an Arabic influence during the Babylon captivity. Paul said he was a Hebrew, a Jew, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin. All that means he was a descendant of Eber (where the name Hebrew is derived), of Israel through the tribe of Benjamin, and a Jew meaning a descendent of the house of Judah that returned to Judea from the Babylon captivity.
Yeah, so what of the greater majority of Israelites, the ten lost tribes? In Rev.7 our Lord is letting us know that He knows where they are in the last days. Per OT prophecy like Amos 9:9 He has promised to gather them. Also, Genesis 49 is a prophecy about each of the twelve tribes in the last days. That shows even though the ten tribes are lost to the world and to themselves, they are not lost to God.
I've never heard of the Babylonians coining the name. And though some have used the name Jew in a hate sense, I see it simply as a shortened form of Judah, or maybe an Arabic influence during the Babylon captivity. Paul said he was a Hebrew, a Jew, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin. All that means he was a descendant of Eber (where the name Hebrew is derived), of Israel through the tribe of Benjamin, and a Jew meaning a descendent of the house of Judah that returned to Judea from the Babylon captivity.
Yeah, so what of the greater majority of Israelites, the ten lost tribes? In Rev.7 our Lord is letting us know that He knows where they are in the last days. Per OT prophecy like Amos 9:9 He has promised to gather them. Also, Genesis 49 is a prophecy about each of the twelve tribes in the last days. That shows even though the ten tribes are lost to the world and to themselves, they are not lost to God.
Adullam
Member
Do we really believe that the Lord is concerned with circumcision in the flesh? Rather, those who have been grafted into Israel must appear in one tribe or another. One must think this through. We don't have a thirteenth tribe to fit those who are uncircumcised in the flesh into. Election must be through faith and the purpose of God. These are they who are born, not only of the flesh but also of the Spirit. They are of every race, tongue and tribe...including the Jews who are regenerated from above.