Are the gifts from God or the anti christ

[johnny botwright]

There are christians now teaching, that laying hands on the sick and praying for them to be healed, is not from God but the anti christ.



like wise speaking in tongues, is not from God but the anti christ,

that many churches are being decieved, and are not following Jesus, but the anti christ.



my understanding is that Jesus, said, those who followed him, would do the things he done and greater things would they do, his followers were tolled, to pray for the sick, cast out demonds.



jesus was clear, the most important thing, was that their names were written, in heaven, also to know him, these things by themselves were not enough.

paul mentions the most important gift was love.



paul said he prayed in tongues more than most, it was to build himself up, edifie his spirit,

though he went on to say he would rather speak five words of encouragement in a congregation.



for some christians now stamping anti christ on every thing, it must be very confusing, for those, young in the Lord,



whats your thoughts?

 

[Tina]

for some christians now stamping anti christ on every thing, it must be very confusing, for those, young in the Lord,

whats your thoughts?

Maybe they are the anti christ ! :biglol

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

tina

what i think is this, those with the name of believers- who walk after the flesh, in the letter have always from the beginning persecuted the real spiritual people of God, and have accused the things of God of being bad.

I truly believe that these ideas and doctrines began in times past, with people who did NOT have signs following them the way Jesus said all believers WOULD so they needed a false doctrine to explain why they themselves do not have what Jesus said they should and to cast doubt on those who DO have what Jesus said they should.- now today many have been raised up in these churches that are dead who have been led for generations or longer by dead men and most of the congregation is spiritually dead but they do not even know it because their traditions and doctrines have taught everything spiritual is evil.

Remember when Jesus did miracles they said bad things about him to, when he cast out demons they said it was of satan also.

Another thing is MANY christians have more faith in satan these days then in Jesus, SO many have been taught anything spiritual, anything miraculous is of satan- and also they have been taught another Jesus who is powerless also.- like- Jesus wont help you wont heal you wont deliver you, cant release you from being a sinner, you cant ask and believe you have recieved, He isnt in all control and everything that happens the devil did to ya.

They have indoctrinated people into living in fear and faith of satan and living carnal lives because all things spiritual to them are defiled by satan as well.

 

[DarcyLu]

Amen GPR! i so agree with you and denying the works of the Holy Spirit as they did when Jesus performed His miracles is blasphemy, and that is exactly what many people have done today with miraculous happenings, healings, they say it is from satan and some people even believe there are no miracles and/or healings today.

we can ask ourselves if we have allowed the world into our church buildings and if we have, if the congregation is acting like the world, with seemingly no difference, than the anti-christ has gotten into the congregation and when that happens as GPR mentioned, false doctrine has entered as well.

Jesus said we would be able to do greater things than He and we will know if we are following with signs and if our congregation is not healing, is not moving in the Spirit, then by the Word, it is not doing what it's supposed to be doing.

it seems we must be careful in how we judge a happening, a miracle, a healing that we do not say it is from the anti-christ.
God bless -

 

[hisvessel1]

There are christians now teaching, that laying hands on the sick and praying for them to be healed, is not from God but the anti christ.
What " christians" teach this?


like wise speaking in tongues, is not from God but the anti christ,
This is from God.
that many churches are being decieved, and are not following Jesus, but the anti christ.

That would depend on what "faith" they are.











for some christians now stamping anti christ on every thing, it must be very confusing, for those, young in the Lord,

This is sad, as young Christians are the ones being deceived by false teachings.


whats your thoughts?

Anyone hear of Gifts of the Spirit? Please read 1Cor.12:1 -31.

 

[glorydaz]

There are Christians who believe the sign gifts have ceased and there are Christians who believe the sign gifts continue...both groups use the same verses and come to different conclusions. For either side to say the other comes from the antichrist seems a bit much to me.

It's also wrong for either side to say the other side is lacking in spirituality. Charismatics can be called Holy Rollers and the other side can be called indoctrinated but both those attitudes would be self-righteous and judgmental...and to what effect? Division of the body. Let one eat meat and the other not...there are abuses and denials enough without anything beneficial coming from the finger pointing that comes from such an issue. I say let it go...whichever side you're on. It is not an essential for salvation.

 

[picklesbiz]

The answer is both. What you say? Yeah both. The Gifts of the Spirit are from God and made for the edification and building up of the body. Some teach that there is no need for the Gifts today. I respond by asking 2 questions. 1. Would you say that the Gift of Discernment is no longer needed? 2. Can you honestly say that the Body doesn't need to be edified and built up right now?

To answer the "both". Satan is the great copy cat. My wife was raised as a Satanist and had an extremely hard time with the operation of Spiritual Gifts when she first came to Christ because she saw so many things that looked the same in Satanism. As she became more mature in Christ she recognized subtle differences and was able to differentiate between the false and the true. For example in Satanism when someone "speaks in tongues" they typically go into a trance and have no control. Where as in the true Gift a person still has operation of there faculties and does not go into a trance. The key difference being that Satan wants an automaton where as God wants a free expression of love.

Shane

 

[Andrew]

I wasn't raised in the church so I was really bible ignorant. I knew nothing about the gifts of the Spirit when I received the Holy Spirit, but I found out about them because I began speaking in tongues immediately.
Paul describes all this perfectly, the Spirit prays in tongues, not me.
It took 25 years before I understood that I have the gift of discernment of spirits (I thought I was being judgmental and hyper-critical in my mind).
Satan perverts and distorts everything God has done but we can't allow that to stop us from the truth of things that are from God.
Speaking in tongues is for the edifying of my own spirit and happens in private, it effects no one but me.
Prophesying is a whole different story, as this happens publicly, too many are trying to convince others they have this gift for the sake of gaining attention to themselves and expecting some sort of reverence (higher gift to elevate themselves) bad news.
I trust in the Lord and His Word; that it can divide and separate, and we will again see the distinction between the wicked and the righteous.

 

[Mysteryman]

Both is correct. :yes

Just like we have false brethren and false teachers and false prophets etc. We also have the true Christ and the anti - Christ.

There are true healings and false healings. And there are true speaking in tongues and false speaking in tongues. This is why we need decernment.

The Word tells us to test the spirits , to see if they are of God or not.

 

[DarcyLu]

Anyone hear of Gifts of the Spirit? Please read 1Cor.12:1 -31.

yes, and it seems this is what the OP was trying to point out, God gives spiritual gifts and if people display them, then others declare them from the anti-christ. Spiritual gifts are very much needed today, look at the state of the Church - we NEED them.
God bless -

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

There are Christians who believe the sign gifts have ceased and there are Christians who believe the sign gifts continue...both groups use the same verses and come to different conclusions. For either side to say the other comes from the antichrist seems a bit much to me.

It's also wrong for either side to say the other side is lacking in spirituality. Charismatics can be called Holy Rollers and the other side can be called indoctrinated but both those attitudes would be self-righteous and judgmental...and to what effect? Division of the body. Let one eat meat and the other not...there are abuses and denials enough without anything beneficial coming from the finger pointing that comes from such an issue. I say let it go...whichever side you're on. It is not an essential for salvation.

As far as one side coming from the antichrist, it is a matter of truth . Certiantly Either they have ceased or they havent. One of these two options is false and of the wicked one. Now The enemy uses false ministers to bring in the doctrine here that is false. Those who recieve this false doctrine from those false ministers are decieved by a false word and hopefully they will begin to hear the Lord and believe the truth and become seperated from the false ministers teaching lies.

I cannot agree that it is wrong for the correct side to say that the other side is lacking spiritually. Now they should not say the other side is not saved, but are they lacking spiritually ? yes. The reasons are clear. They are believing a false doctrine to begin with. That is getting in the way of their hearing the Holy Spirit, of them understanding what the word of God is saying to us, and of their ability to cooperate with the work of the Holy Spirit in them, and it effects their ability to be edified, and to edify the rest of the body of Christ as their purpose is.

As far as salvational, it may not always be salvational but it can be. If you have people who are seeing the true working of the Holy Spirit in His people, true miracles true gifts and they are saying that is of the devil then they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit and that can be salvational. It can also lead then to persecute and hate the believers who do have gifts of the Spirit and experience miracles and healings etc....

 

[glorydaz]

To say there is a right and wrong about the sign gifts is the same as saying someone is wrong if they eat a particular food or regard a certain day. There is no "denying the power of the Holy Spirit" involved. I, for instance, believe the Holy Spirit is able to keep and preserve us unto the day of redemption. :yes

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

We have gifts and we have fruit...we know them by their fruit. It's certainly clearer, if someone is showing forth the fruit of the Spirit that they have the love of God abiding in them, rather than if they're speaking in tongues which no one else understands and can be faked as easily as not. You can't fake love...you can try, but anyone with any discernment can see the truth.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

When the Holy Spirit indwells the believer His fruit will be manifest in him.

For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

For the Jews who required a sign...which at the first began and was "confirmed by us" both with signs and wonders, divers miracles and gifts. People were raised from the dead, the crippled could walk and the blind were made to see. People from every nation understood the preaching in their own tongue.

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

The gifts of the Spirit are not new...

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

We see the gifts given to each man as the Spirit is so inclined.

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Some require a sign...

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

I don't require a sign...when the church was young and filled with Jews, signs were profitable for building the faith. I have seen a lot of abuse with the sign gifts, but I find it unprofitable to rail on those who don't believe as I do. To me, it's a question of edification...I do see edification of the body in wisdom, knowledge, faith, love, teaching, hospitality, etc. Each man is given gifts. I do not see any man being the gift of healing...the elders annoint the sick and we pray for healing. No one can predict the future...prophecy is now wisdom and understanding.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

To say there is a right and wrong about the sign gifts is the same as saying someone is wrong if they eat a particular food or regard a certain day. There is no "denying the power of the Holy Spirit" involved. I, for instance, believe the Holy Spirit is able to keep and preserve us unto the day of redemption. :yes

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

We have gifts and we have fruit...we know them by their fruit. It's certainly clearer, if someone is showing forth the fruit of the Spirit that they have the love of God abiding in them, rather than if they're speaking in tongues which no one else understands and can be faked as easily as not. You can't fake love...you can try, but anyone with any discernment can see the truth.
[quote="Galatians 5:22-23":3f63gmrq]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

When the Holy Spirit indwells the believer His fruit will be manifest in him.

For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

For the Jews who required a sign...which at the first began and was "confirmed by us" both with signs and wonders, divers miracles and gifts. People were raised from the dead, the crippled could walk and the blind were made to see. People from every nation understood the preaching in their own tongue.

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

The gifts of the Spirit are not new...

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

We see the gifts given to each man as the Spirit is so inclined.

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Some require a sign...

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

I don't require a sign...when the church was young and filled with Jews, signs were profitable for building the faith. I have seen a lot of abuse with the sign gifts, but I find it unprofitable to rail on those who don't believe as I do. To me, it's a question of edification...I do see edification of the body in wisdom, knowledge, faith, love, teaching, hospitality, etc. Each man is given gifts. I do not see any man being the gift of healing...the elders annoint the sick and we pray for healing. No one can predict the future...prophecy is now wisdom and understanding.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

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To be honest I find this a bit disturbing. To relegate Gods healing to a corner of just signs for the jews..... hmmm.Healing is a promise that God has offered for thousands of years for those who believe. It is the deliverance of the kingdom of God to thoe who believe because in His kingdom is no sickness. It was a promise and benefit of God from the oldest for those who believ eand obey him and is not always a sign, and certianly was never just a sign to jews.Not only that it is connected to forgiveness of sins.

Psa 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:


Psa 103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;


Psa 103:4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;


Psa 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good [things; so that] thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.


Besides that the problem with the phrophesy idea is that we are told specifically in 1 cor that it is for the edification of the body of Christ. It does not say it is just a sign to jews or not needed but it is to edify the body. Now we can say that we see edification is wisdon and knowledge etc.. but the bible says prophesy is for edification and we are not to despise it.

1Cr 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


1Cr 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.


1Cr 14:4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


1Cr 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1Cr 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[picklesbiz]

When we don't see the manifestation of the Gifts in our own life it is easy to pick and choose which Gifts we feel are for today.

 

[glorydaz]

To be honest I find this a bit disturbing. To relegate Gods healing to a corner of just signs for the jews..... hmmm.Healing is a promise that God has offered for thousands of years for those who believe. It is the deliverance of the kingdom of God to thoe who believe because in His kingdom is no sickness. It was a promise and benefit of God from the oldest for those who believ eand obey him and is not always a sign, and certianly was never just a sign to jews.Not only that it is connected to forgiveness of sins.


Besides that the problem with the phrophesy idea is that we are told specifically in 1 cor that it is for the edification of the body of Christ. It does not say it is just a sign to jews or not needed but it is to edify the body. Now we can say that we see edification is wisdon and knowledge etc.. but the bible says prophesy is for edification and we are not to despise it.

What I find disturbing is that you can read my entire post and say I'm "relegating God's healing to a corner". You're obtuse and looking for division. How about you relegate yourself to a corner and stick a dunce cap on your head while you're there. :yes ...for that's what you have proven yourself to be by that particular comment.

Don't twist my words, I won't abide it.

And I specifically said the gifts were given to edify the body. So, wow, I'm impressed by your wisdom on that one. I'm not despising anything but the foolishness of men...so don't give me reason to point out where I see it. If you'd care to reread my post and respond appropriately, I'd be more than happy to address any proper response you may give.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

When we don't see the manifestation of the Gifts in our own life it is easy to pick and choose which Gifts we feel are for today.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

To be honest I find this a bit disturbing. To relegate Gods healing to a corner of just signs for the jews..... hmmm.Healing is a promise that God has offered for thousands of years for those who believe. It is the deliverance of the kingdom of God to thoe who believe because in His kingdom is no sickness. It was a promise and benefit of God from the oldest for those who believ eand obey him and is not always a sign, and certianly was never just a sign to jews.Not only that it is connected to forgiveness of sins.


Besides that the problem with the phrophesy idea is that we are told specifically in 1 cor that it is for the edification of the body of Christ. It does not say it is just a sign to jews or not needed but it is to edify the body. Now we can say that we see edification is wisdon and knowledge etc.. but the bible says prophesy is for edification and we are not to despise it.

What I find disturbing is that you can read my entire post and say I'm "relegating God's healing to a corner". You're obtuse and looking for division. How about you relegate yourself to a corner and stick a dunce cap on your head while you're there. :yes ...for that's what you have proven yourself to be by that particular comment.

Don't twist my words, I won't abide it.

And I specifically said the gifts were given to edify the body. So, wow, I'm impressed by your wisdom on that one. I'm not despising anything but the foolishness of men...so don't give me reason to point out where I see it. If you'd care to reread my post and respond appropriately, I'd be more than happy to address any proper response you may give.

When you believe that healing was a " sign gift" and that YOU do not see men having it today then YOU are relegating that gift to the corner.


" I do not see any man being the gift of healing...the elders annoint the sick and we pray for healing. No one can predict the future...prophecy is now wisdom and understanding."

That is what you said. You also espouse the idea that we cannot pray and believe God for it even though Jesus told us over and over again that we can. That is relegating it to the corner of " that was for years ago not for today".

God does not change and the promises that He gave in Christ and that Jesus gave are for all His people. freedom from the curses that are put on the world are more than only a sign.

And on the matter of signs, signs were given not for jews only but to confirm the word spoken not only to jews but to gentiles also and it was never said that they would cease in fact the bible shows that the gospel is NOT fully preached UNLESS signs and wonders follow the preaching of it.

There is no scripture that says healings will stop or the gift of healing. We cannot walk by sight and doctrines that seem to make sence because of what we have or have not seen. The bible does not say it so we cannot believe it.

 

[glorydaz]

When you believe that healing was a " sign gift" and that YOU do not see men having it today then YOU are relegating that gift to the corner.

" I do not see any man being the gift of healing...the elders annoint the sick and we pray for healing. No one can predict the future...prophecy is now wisdom and understanding."

That is what you said. You also espouse the idea that we cannot pray and believe God for it even though Jesus told us over and over again that we can. That is relegating it to the corner of " that was for years ago not for today".

God does not change and the promises that He gave in Christ and that Jesus gave are for all His people. freedom from the curses that are put on the world are more than only a sign.

And on the matter of signs, signs were given not for jews only but to confirm the word spoken not only to jews but to gentiles also and it was never said that they would cease in fact the bible shows that the gospel is NOT fully preached UNLESS signs and wonders follow the preaching of it.

There is no scripture that says healings will stop or the gift of healing. We cannot walk by sight and doctrines that seem to make sence because of what we have or have not seen. The bible does not say it so we cannot believe it.

Once again you are accusing me of saying things I did not say. I did not say healing has ceased. I did not say God no longer heals. God does, indeed, heal. Man does not heal, nor does he raise the dead, nor does he walk on water, nor does he tell the future or ride the sky in chariots of fire. I never deny the power of God, but I do deny the power of man who wishes to take on himself the powers of God. We were talking about the signs and wonders given to the Apostles. I gave many verses that say those signs and wonders were given to them. The members of the body are given spiritual gifts...there is a difference and you seem to be unable to separate the two.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

When you believe that healing was a " sign gift" and that YOU do not see men having it today then YOU are relegating that gift to the corner.

" I do not see any man being the gift of healing...the elders annoint the sick and we pray for healing. No one can predict the future...prophecy is now wisdom and understanding."

That is what you said. You also espouse the idea that we cannot pray and believe God for it even though Jesus told us over and over again that we can. That is relegating it to the corner of " that was for years ago not for today".

God does not change and the promises that He gave in Christ and that Jesus gave are for all His people. freedom from the curses that are put on the world are more than only a sign.

And on the matter of signs, signs were given not for jews only but to confirm the word spoken not only to jews but to gentiles also and it was never said that they would cease in fact the bible shows that the gospel is NOT fully preached UNLESS signs and wonders follow the preaching of it.

There is no scripture that says healings will stop or the gift of healing. We cannot walk by sight and doctrines that seem to make sence because of what we have or have not seen. The bible does not say it so we cannot believe it.

Once again you are accusing me of saying things I did not say. I did not say healing has ceased. I did not say God no longer heals. God does, indeed, heal. Man does not heal, nor does he raise the dead, nor does he walk on water, nor does he tell the future or ride the sky in chariots of fire. I never deny the power of God, but I do deny the power of man who wishes to take on himself the powers of God. We were talking about the signs and wonders given to the Apostles. I gave many verses that say those signs and wonders were given to them. The members of the body are given spiritual gifts...there is a difference and you seem to be unable to separate the two.

Show where those things are passed because there is no scripture that says thus. Beyond that the aposltes and they were told to teach the nations commanding them to do EVERYTHING that they were taught from him. So where is the scripture that says God does not use men to heal raise the dead etc...?

Its funny that the bible gives no scripture saying that in our day there is no people being raised from the dead, and there are so many believers having the dead raised etc...

Mat 28:16 ¶ Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.


Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.


Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

 

[glorydaz]

Once again you are accusing me of saying things I did not say. I did not say healing has ceased. I did not say God no longer heals. God does, indeed, heal. Man does not heal, nor does he raise the dead, nor does he walk on water, nor does he tell the future or ride the sky in chariots of fire. I never deny the power of God, but I do deny the power of man who wishes to take on himself the powers of God. We were talking about the signs and wonders given to the Apostles. I gave many verses that say those signs and wonders were given to them. The members of the body are given spiritual gifts...there is a difference and you seem to be unable to separate the two.

Show where those things are passed because there is no scripture that says thus. Beyond that the aposltes and they were told to teach the nations commanding them to do EVERYTHING that they were taught from him. So where is the scripture that says God does not use men to heal raise the dead etc...?

Its funny that the bible gives no scripture saying that in our day there is no people being raised from the dead, and there are so many believers having the dead raised etc...

Mat 28:16 ¶ Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.


Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.


Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

The Word speaks quite clearly about the signs of the Apostles...signs and wonders given to THEM. If you want to believe we gave healers and miracle workers walking among us today...feel free. I see God answering prayer, but we do not have the signs and wonders today that we had during the time of the Apostles and when the Lord walked the earth. To claim we would do greater things than these would mean we'd be seeing miraculous healings on CNN on a regular basis. Bigger and better healings and miracles...Wow, who would have guessed? We should have multitudes gathering around some great healer they way they did when Jesus was here.

It's no use even discussing this with you...a fruitless effort to bring some sanity into the discussion. The Lord answers prayer...to say that isn't good enough and dead men are being raised by the church is stretching the bounds of credibility. It's no wonder, though, that men of the world take such a dim view of the Church. Big talk does not make a big walk. We might as well not pray for the sick as the Bible teaches...just look up a healer on the internet and lay down the money. It's all good.