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Are there different degrees of punishment in hell?

Lucian Hodoboc said:
Are there different degrees of punishment in hell according to the amount of sins the people have committed during their lifetime?

Does a believer who struggled all his life with the sin of alcohol addiction, but prayed every day and read the Bible often, get sent into the same hell as a mass murderer who tortured and killed women?
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Luk 12:45 But if that servant says to himself, 'My master is delayed in coming,' and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk,
Luk 12:46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.
Luk 12:47 And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating.
Luk 12:48 But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. (ESV)

It would seem so.
 
Free said:
Luk 12:45 But if that servant says to himself, 'My master is delayed in coming,' and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk,
Luk 12:46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.
Luk 12:47 And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating.
Luk 12:48 But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. (ESV)

It would seem so.
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Splendid! This clarifies it! Thank you. :)
 
WIP said:
Maybe, but I'm not sure. To draw someone is akin to luring in some cases, although I don't believe God attempts to lure us. Perhaps, where God is concerned, draw is more akin to inviting us through the gospel.
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Actually they say a better word for "draw" is actually "drag"

Acts 16:19 But when her owners saw that their hope of gain was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace before the rulers.
 
Are there different degrees of punishment in hell?
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2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels having sinned, but having cast them down to Tartarus, in chains of gloomy darkness, delivered them, being kept for judgment;

there seem to be different levels of hell, it only makes sense that each level would have different punishment.
 
Cygnus said:
Sorry. Your reply ...in my opinion was bad.
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The point is, this isn't about who can prove themselves a better debater. If that's what your after, go ahead and declare yourself the winner. As for me, my goal is to dig into the Scriptures to grow in my faith, learn more about who God is, and become closer to Him. If that means swallowing my pride, and not scoring points in a debate, so be it.

In my opinion, there are too many that are more interested in winning the argument than winning with Christ.
 
Lucian Hodoboc said:
Are there different degrees of punishment in hell according to the amount of sins the people have committed during their lifetime?

Does a believer who struggled all his life with the sin of alcohol addiction, but prayed every day and read the Bible often, get sent into the same hell as a mass murderer who tortured and killed women?
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Hang on a sec ..... there is much more to some alcohol addiction than you seem to be aware of. If this person had accepted Jesus, then he's saved ...... forever. We are all weak in some aspect. We all sin ..... everyday of our lives. If a person tries to change & repents of his sin, those sins are forgiven right? God grace is a gift, so we cannot earn it right? So how can one lose it cuz of a sin? Impossible. Sin is sin is sin is sin. Best thing to do is not worry about other's sins, leave that to God as Jesus told us to.
 
Lucian Hodoboc said:
1 Corithians 6:10 seems to disagree...
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Not at all. That passage is in parallel with 2 others; Gal 5:19 and Eph 5:5.

All three are about losing an inheritance IN the kingdom. They are not about losing entrance INTO the kingdom.

We know that Jesus was very clear in John 10:28 about those He gives eternal life; they shall never perish.

One either believes what Jesus said or they don't. It's all about trusting what He says.
 
Lucian Hodoboc said:
Well, yeah, I already know that I'm damned because Jesus raised the bar too high for me to handle, so the only thing left for me is to ponder on how bad my punishment is going to be.
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What do you mean, that Jesus "raised the bar too high"? Do you believe that one is saved by their own efforts? If so, then you've not trusted in what Jesus DID FOR YOU. Personally. He died for YOUR SINS (actually the sins for every human being). He paid the price.

And by that payment, He obtained the gift of eternal life for everyone, but only gives that gift to those who have believed in Him.

And John 10:28 is clear; those He gives eternal life shall never perish.

Sorry. I didn't mean to start controversy with this thread. :sad
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No need to apologize. These are very important issues that believers must understand in order to be able to live the Christian life properly.

But, back to the issue of inheritance. The Bible speaks of 2 kinds. One is having an inheritance by the fact that we are God's children and will live with Him for eternity. This is taught in Rom 8:17a. The second kind is about rewards in eternity. There will be no equality in heaven. Faithfulness and obedience will be rewarded, and that is described as an inheritance in Rom 8:17b.

For those believers who want to "reign with Christ" in the Millennium and beyond must endure, per 2 Tim 2:12. But if we deny Him, He will deny us that right.

Regarding the first kind of inheritance, consider what Paul wrote in Eph 1:
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

So, you were included in Christ when you believed. And marked in Him with a seal, the Holy Spirit, who is a deposit GUARANTEEING our inheritance. And when will those marked in Him geet their inheritance? At the redemption of those who are God's possession.

If you've placed your faith in Christ to save you, you have been sealed with the Holy Spirit. And your inheritance (entrance into heaven) is guaranteed, as a possession of God.
 
FreeGrace said:
Not at all. That passage is in parallel with 2 others; Gal 5:19 and Eph 5:5.

All three are about losing an inheritance IN the kingdom. They are not about losing entrance INTO the kingdom.

We know that Jesus was very clear in John 10:28 about those He gives eternal life; they shall never perish.

One either believes what Jesus said or they don't. It's all about trusting what He says.
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What's the difference between entrance and inheritance IN/INTO the kingdom?
 
Lucian Hodoboc said:
What's the difference between entrance and inheritance IN/INTO the kingdom?
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The words "entrance" and "inheritace" are obviously different, for one.

One can have an entrance INTO the kingdom and NO inheritance IN the kingdom.

And one can have an entrance INTO the kingdom AND an inheritance IN the kingdom.

One thing I didn't mention initially. Some people will wrongly assume that if their salvation is guaranteed the moment of faith in Christ, that they can just "live it up" without any concerns or worries.

That would be a very wrong conclusion. The Bible also teaches about God's discipline towards His rebellious children. No, He doesn't just cast them into hell for their disobedience/rebellion.

But He most certainly DOES discipline them.

Heb 12:11 - No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

So note that God's discipline isn't pleasant, like a mere slap on the hand, but is painful.

This is how it might be painful:
1 Cor 11:30 - That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep (euphemism for physical death).

Notice the progression: weakness, sickness, and finally death. And these are what God uses to discipline His children. And none of it will be pleasant, but painful.

So, just because one has a guarantee of eternal security doesn't mean that one can live any way they want to in pleasant circumstances.

Their lives will be miserable, whether anyone else can see it or not.
 
FreeGrace said:
That would be a very wrong conclusion. The Bible also teaches about God's discipline towards His rebellious children. No, He doesn't just cast them into hell for their disobedience/rebellion.
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How can one be disciplined without sorrow, pain, crying, etc? Revelation 21:1-4
 
I said:
"That would be a very wrong conclusion. The Bible also teaches about God's discipline towards His rebellious children. No, He doesn't just cast them into hell for their disobedience/rebellion."
WIP said:
How can one be disciplined without sorrow, pain, crying, etc? Revelation 21:1-4
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There won't be any discipline in heaven or eternity. That would suggest that God's children are still in need of correction, etc.

Once we separate from our fallen humanity, we will no longer sin, and not need discipline.

Rev 21:1-4 refers to eternity beyond the Millennium.
 
I said:
"Once we separate from our fallen humanity, we will no longer sin, and not need discipline."
WIP said:
Besides Jesus, who qualifies?
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Sorry, I'm not following the question. Qualifies for discipline?? Or what?

Is it your position that those in heaven can still sin?
 
FreeGrace said:
They same way one would fully trust anything or anyone.

Do you believe what Jesus promises? Or not?

I assume you do understand what trusting means.
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In order to believe one someone said, you have to first find a clear and unaltered way of finding out what said someone said (be it written, audio, video etc.). Once you have those, you can decide for yourself if you believe that said person is telling the truth or not. But do we have a clear and unaltered way of finding out Jesus' real word? Nothing He has written has been preserved. None of His contemporaries wrote a biography of Him. How can we be sure that the Gospels included in the Bible are the real word of God, when they have been written a century after His death? There are several Gospels of the same time that have been rejected, and when we have incredibly little historical proof of Jesus' ministry. So I'm at a point at which it's not that I don't trust Jesus' word, but rather I'm not sure if what the people selected to include in the Bible is actually His word and what they left out isn't.
 
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