Are you a true Sabbath keeper?

[Ahuli]

There is a young lady on another forum that has an interesting question, and the simplicity of it is pure and genuine :

"I'm pretty sure we're all in agreement that we should not 1)have any other gods before Him 2)not bow down to carved images 3)not take the name of the Lord in vain 5)honor our father and mother 6)not commit murder 7) not commit adultery 8)not steal 9)not lie 10)not covet

Notice I left out 4) keep the Sabbath holy and do no work on that day

So my question is, if we all believe we should keep commandment numbers 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,and 10...why wouldn't we believe we should keep #4?"

#4 is inconvenient? It's an unlucky number? It's only for the Jews? It was done away with? And a myriad of other excuses for which the Christian, who is responsible for keeping God's law through our Lord Jesus, will answer in due time.

 

[Ahuli]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Do you think we should obey this verse too ?

Or, should we find out the meaning of the word "sabbath" and that the Jews had special/additional rest days, which are no longer obligatory? I have never confused Paul's admonitions about the two laws and how one ended at the cross and the other is eternal. The latter contains a law which is the only one that carries God's signature and it is the one most deliberately trampled upon. Read it and see.

 

[Elijah674]

There is a young lady on another forum that has an interesting question, and the simplicity of it is pure and genuine :

"I'm pretty sure we're all in agreement that we should not 1)have any other gods before Him 2)not bow down to carved images 3)not take the name of the Lord in vain 5)honor our father and mother 6)not commit murder 7) not commit adultery 8)not steal 9)not lie 10)not covet

Notice I left out 4) keep the Sabbath holy and do no work on that day

So my question is, if we all believe we should keep commandment numbers 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,and 10...why wouldn't we believe we should keep #4?"

#4 is inconvenient? It's an unlucky number? It's only for the Jews? It was done away with? And a myriad of other excuses for which the Christian, who is responsible for keeping God's law through our Lord Jesus, will answer in due time.

hI, I am Elijah, and have been around quite a spell. I take issue even with your honesty 'i' guess? But perhaps it is that you do not understand what God says yet??

You say ..'Christian execuses'. It seems to me that telling the Truth is also one of the ten Required Commandments that God Himself wrote in tables of stone & then into the Born Agsain Mind & heart. I personnaly do not think that when Christ states.. 'IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMANDMENTS ' that it could be Christian excuses to not do so. Matt. 6:24

 

[Sinthesis]

Ironically, if you are keeping the Sabbath because you believe it is required to do so for your salvation, then you don't actually understand the true significance of the Sabbath at all.

 

[Elijah674]

Ironically, if you are keeping the Sabbath because you believe it is required to do so for your salvation, then you don't actually understand the true significance of the Sabbath at all.

The same holds true for calling 7th Day Sabbath Breakers Christians, huh!

--Elijah

 

[Ahuli]

There is a young lady on another forum that has an interesting question, and the simplicity of it is pure and genuine :

"I'm pretty sure we're all in agreement that we should not 1)have any other gods before Him 2)not bow down to carved images 3)not take the name of the Lord in vain 5)honor our father and mother 6)not commit murder 7) not commit adultery 8)not steal 9)not lie 10)not covet

Notice I left out 4) keep the Sabbath holy and do no work on that day

So my question is, if we all believe we should keep commandment numbers 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,and 10...why wouldn't we believe we should keep #4?"

#4 is inconvenient? It's an unlucky number? It's only for the Jews? It was done away with? And a myriad of other excuses for which the Christian, who is responsible for keeping God's law through our Lord Jesus, will answer in due time.

hI, I am Elijah, and have been around quite a spell. I take issue even with your honesty 'i' guess? But perhaps it is that you do not understand what God says yet??

You say ..'Christian execuses'. It seems to me that telling the Truth is also one of the ten Required Commandments that God Himself wrote in tables of stone & then into the Born Agsain Mind & heart. I personnaly do not think that when Christ states.. 'IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMANDMENTS ' that it could be Christian excuses to not do so. Matt. 6:24

It appears you did not understand what I meant. That can happen. Playing the devil's advocate is often not popular.

 

[Ahuli]

Ironically, if you are keeping the Sabbath because you believe it is required to do so for your salvation, then you don't actually understand the true significance of the Sabbath at all.

The same holds true for calling 7th Day Sabbath Breakers Christians, huh!

--Elijah

Interesting how few people understand that keeping God's law is essential for salvation. A closer look at it reveals the exact manner in which this is true. Not doing the things the commandments tell us, most certainly will keep us out of heaven.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (NASB) 1 Cor. 6:9-10

 

[Elijah674]

Ironically, if you are keeping the Sabbath because you believe it is required to do so for your salvation, then you don't actually understand the true significance of the Sabbath at all.

The same holds true for calling 7th Day Sabbath Breakers Christians, huh!

--Elijah

Interesting how few people understand that keeping God's law is essential for salvation. A closer look at it reveals the exact manner in which this is true. Not doing the things the commandments tell us, most certainly will keep us out of heaven.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (NASB) 1 Cor. 6:9-10

Loving Christ is the Motive. Just Yes or No. Eccl. 12:13-14 will be the only question asked! --Elijah

 

[Ahuli]

Thanks, Elijah, it is! I like to post the scripture. Some folks find it helpful.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil

 

[glorydaz]

Ironically, if you are keeping the Sabbath because you believe it is required to do so for your salvation, then you don't actually understand the true significance of the Sabbath at all.

The same holds true for calling 7th Day Sabbath Breakers Christians, huh!

--Elijah

Interesting how few people understand that keeping God's law is essential for salvation. A closer look at it reveals the exact manner in which this is true. Not doing the things the commandments tell us, most certainly will keep us out of heaven.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (NASB) 1 Cor. 6:9-10

Since no man is able to keep all the law and commandments of God...Jesus Christ's righteousness is imputed to those who are justified by faith in Him. There is no condemnation for those who have been born of the Spirit and given eternal life through Christ the Lord.

But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

 

[Elijah674]

Since no man is able to keep all the law and commandments of God...Jesus Christ's righteousness is imputed to those who are justified by faith in Him. There is no condemnation for those who have been born of the Spirit and given eternal life through Christ the Lord. (end quote)

Where does it say that about one who leaves Christ?? Rom. 8:1 surely is Truth, yet the 'babe' is supposed to MATURE [[[IN CHRIST]]]. Most go in the opposit direction as the 'thread' question suggests! And some it seems do not LOVE CHRIST to start with.. to even Obey His Eternal Heb. 13:20 Covenant. (+ Luke 12:47-48)

--Elijah

 

[Ahuli]

Since no man is able to keep all the law and commandments of God

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That is indeed an error. We can do all things in Christ who strengthens us. We are not on our own in anything we do, unless it is breaking his commandments. Then we are on our own. In keeping them, we are not.

 

[glorydaz]

Since no man is able to keep all the law and commandments of God

That is indeed an error. We can do all things in Christ who strengthens us. We are not on our own in anything we do, unless it is breaking his commandments. Then we are on our own. In keeping them, we are not.

The law was given to point out man's sin...not to make us sinless.

We are never on our own when we are God's children. If you think you can obey all the laws of God then you are claiming to be without sin. He who claims to be without sin is a liar. The only way we are counted righteous is because the righteousness of Christ has been imputed unto us. Did you know that if you call someone a fool you are in danger of hell fire? Did you know that if you look at a woman with lust you are in danger of hell fire? Did you know if you get angry you are in danger of hell fire? That is what the law brings you. It is God's grace and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ that spares us from the wages of sin.

 

[glorydaz]

Since no man is able to keep all the law and commandments of God...Jesus Christ's righteousness is imputed to those who are justified by faith in Him. There is no condemnation for those who have been born of the Spirit and given eternal life through Christ the Lord. (/ quote)

Where does it say that about one who leaves Christ?? Rom. 8:1 surely is Truth, yet the 'babe' is supposed to MATURE [[[IN CHRIST]]]. Most go in the opposit direction as the 'thread' question suggests! And some it seems do not LOVE CHRIST to start with.. to even Obey His Eternal Heb. 13:20 Covenant. (+ Luke 12:47-48)

--Elijah

Those who "leave" were never with us to begin with.

 

[Elijah674]

Since no man is able to keep all the law and commandments of God...Jesus Christ's righteousness is imputed to those who are justified by faith in Him. There is no condemnation for those who have been born of the Spirit and given eternal life through Christ the Lord. (/ quote)

Where does it say that about one who leaves Christ?? Rom. 8:1 surely is Truth, yet the 'babe' is supposed to MATURE [[[IN CHRIST]]]. Most go in the opposit direction as the 'thread' question suggests! And some it seems do not LOVE CHRIST to start with.. to even Obey His Eternal Heb. 13:20 Covenant. (+ Luke 12:47-48)

--Elijah

Those who "leave" were never with us to begin with.

Elijah here, then you do not believe Inspiration?? 1 Samual 10

[5] After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy:
[6] And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
[7] And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee.
[8] And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do.
[9] And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day. (A New Heart comes only from John 3:3 of being Born Again!)

And was it O.S.A.S?? Come on, there IS NO SUCH stuff as that in the Word of God. In 1 Samual 16 after several flagrant sins we see God remove the Holy Spirit from Saul. And the devil took over his life as it did Cain in Gen. 4:7. And that was after God Himself talked in person to Cain in WARNING!

 

[glorydaz]

Those who "leave" were never with us to begin with.

Elijah here, then you do not believe Inspiration?? 1 Samual 10

[5] After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy:
[6] And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
[7] And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee.
[8] And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do.
[9] And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day. (A New Heart comes only from John 3:3 of being Born Again!)

And was it O.S.A.S?? Come on, there IS NO SUCH stuff as that in the Word of God. In 1 Samual 16 after several flagrant sins we see God remove the Holy Spirit from Saul. And the devil took over his life as it did Cain in Gen. 4:7. And that was after God Himself talked in person to Cain in WARNING!

You're stuck in the Old Covenant which has waxed old and passed away. A new and better Covenant has come.

 

[Elijah674]

Those who "leave" were never with us to begin with.

Elijah here, then you do not believe Inspiration?? 1 Samual 10

[5] After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy:
[6] And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
[7] And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee.
[8] And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do.
[9] And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day. (A New Heart comes only from John 3:3 of being Born Again!)

And was it O.S.A.S?? Come on, there IS NO SUCH stuff as that in the Word of God. In 1 Samual 16 after several flagrant sins we see God remove the Holy Spirit from Saul. And the devil took over his life as it did Cain in Gen. 4:7. And that was after God Himself talked in person to Cain in WARNING!

You're stuck in the Old Covenant which has waxed old and passed away. A new and better Covenant has come.

You told us that the law was not put into Believers hearts by being Born Again (John 3:3) in the Old Testament. (bottom/line) Saul WAS GIVEN A NEW HEART BY GOD! It might be well that one could also find this New Heart on the other side of the cross! Christ made it very simple by saying... IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS! REREAD Obad. 1:16 & Mal. 4:1-4 and ask yourself which class these one were in? Heb. 10:15-16 + Heb. 8:10.

And we do know that Christ did indeed rise from the dead, and it was He also that [documented] .. 'If they [HEAR NOT] Moses and the Prophet, NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED, though one rose from the dead.'

--Elijah

 

[glorydaz]

You're stuck in the Old Covenant which has waxed old and passed away. A new and better Covenant has come.

You told us that the law was not put into Believers hearts by being Born Again (John 3:3) in the Old Testament. (bottom/line) Saul WAS GIVEN A NEW HEART BY GOD! It might be well that one could also find this New Heart on the other side of the cross! Christ made it very simple by saying... IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS! REREAD Obad. 1:16 & Mal. 4:1-4 and ask yourself which class these one were in? Heb. 10:15-16 + Heb. 8:10.

And we do know that Christ did indeed rise from the dead, and it was He also that [documented] .. 'If they [HEAR NOT] Moses and the Prophet, NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED, though one rose from the dead.'

--Elijah

I said no such thing. God's eternal law was put in man's heart from the Creation...we are the creatures and God's moral eternal law of right and wrong (conscience) was from the beginning. Then God gave the written law to Moses. It included God's moral eternal law. When Jesus came and fulfilled the law, He gave us commands that expanded the stone law...a higher calling and even harder for man to keep. Why? So we would know that it's only through God's Spirit indwelling the believer, and Jesus's righteousness being imputed unto us that we can ever attain to the righteousness of God. We cannot ever attain without Christ in us, and it's only by His power and strength that we show forth the fruit of the Spirit of God.

 

[Ahuli]

Since no man is able to keep all the law and commandments of God

That is indeed an error. We can do all things in Christ who strengthens us. We are not on our own in anything we do, unless it is breaking his commandments. Then we are on our own. In keeping them, we are not.

The law was given to point out man's sin...not to make us sinless.

We are never on our own when we are God's children. If you think you can obey all the laws of God then you are claiming to be without sin. He who claims to be without sin is a liar. The only way we are counted righteous is because the righteousness of Christ has been imputed unto us. Did you know that if you call someone a fool you are in danger of hell fire? Did you know that if you look at a woman with lust you are in danger of hell fire? Did you know if you get angry you are in danger of hell fire? That is what the law brings you. It is God's grace and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ that spares us from the wages of sin.

If you know all that, I don't understand why you struggle so against keeping all ten commandments. Or is it that you really don't know how?

 

[Ahuli]

Since no man is able to keep all the law and commandments of God...Jesus Christ's righteousness is imputed to those who are justified by faith in Him. There is no condemnation for those who have been born of the Spirit and given eternal life through Christ the Lord. (/ quote)

Where does it say that about one who leaves Christ?? Rom. 8:1 surely is Truth, yet the 'babe' is supposed to MATURE [[[IN CHRIST]]]. Most go in the opposit direction as the 'thread' question suggests! And some it seems do not LOVE CHRIST to start with.. to even Obey His Eternal Heb. 13:20 Covenant. (+ Luke 12:47-48)

--Elijah

Those who "leave" were never with us to begin with.

Perhaps a good talk with the Prodigal Son will change your mind on that contention.