Are you a true Sabbath keeper?

[Ahuli]

You're stuck in the Old Covenant which has waxed old and passed away. A new and better Covenant has come.

You told us that the law was not put into Believers hearts by being Born Again (John 3:3) in the Old Testament. (bottom/line) Saul WAS GIVEN A NEW HEART BY GOD! It might be well that one could also find this New Heart on the other side of the cross! Christ made it very simple by saying... IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS! REREAD Obad. 1:16 & Mal. 4:1-4 and ask yourself which class these one were in? Heb. 10:15-16 + Heb. 8:10.

And we do know that Christ did indeed rise from the dead, and it was He also that [documented] .. 'If they [HEAR NOT] Moses and the Prophet, NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED, though one rose from the dead.'

--Elijah

I said no such thing. God's eternal law was put in man's heart from the Creation...we are the creatures and God's moral eternal law of right and wrong (conscience) was from the beginning. Then God gave the written law to Moses. It included God's moral eternal law. When Jesus came and fulfilled the law, He gave us commands that expanded the stone law...a higher calling and even harder for man to keep. Why? So we would know that it's only through God's Spirit indwelling the believer, and Jesus's righteousness being imputed unto us that we can ever attain to the righteousness of God. We cannot ever attain without Christ in us, and it's only by His power and strength that we show forth the fruit of the Spirit of God.

You teach an arbitrary God. That's really sad. The law stands as it was/is/and will forever be. Not one jot or tittle added or removed.

 

[glorydaz]

I said no such thing. God's eternal law was put in man's heart from the Creation...we are the creatures and God's moral eternal law of right and wrong (conscience) was from the beginning. Then God gave the written law to Moses. It included God's moral eternal law. When Jesus came and fulfilled the law, He gave us commands that expanded the stone law...a higher calling and even harder for man to keep. Why? So we would know that it's only through God's Spirit indwelling the believer, and Jesus's righteousness being imputed unto us that we can ever attain to the righteousness of God. We cannot ever attain without Christ in us, and it's only by His power and strength that we show forth the fruit of the Spirit of God.

You teach an arbitrary God. That's really sad. The law stands as it was/is/and will forever be. Not one jot or tittle added or removed.

It's what the Word teaches...not what I teach. I'm amazed that so much scripture can be ignored on this issue of the law.

Read from the New Testament for a change and perhaps you'll see I don't "teach an arbitrary God."

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law..... 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God..... 22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Jesus did fulfill the law...every jot and tittle. That's why He could say, "It is finished."

Christ is the end of the law for everyone that believes.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The law was only our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[Elijah674]

You're stuck in the Old Covenant which has waxed old and passed away. A new and better Covenant has come.

You told us that the law was not put into Believers hearts by being Born Again (John 3:3) in the Old Testament. (bottom/line) Saul WAS GIVEN A NEW HEART BY GOD! It might be well that one could also find this New Heart on the other side of the cross! Christ made it very simple by saying... IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS! REREAD Obad. 1:16 & Mal. 4:1-4 and ask yourself which class these one were in? Heb. 10:15-16 + Heb. 8:10.

And we do know that Christ did indeed rise from the dead, and it was He also that [documented] .. 'If they [HEAR NOT] Moses and the Prophet, NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED, though one rose from the dead.'

--Elijah

I said no such thing. God's eternal law was put in man's heart from the Creation...we are the creatures and God's moral eternal law of right and wrong (conscience) was from the beginning. Then God gave the written law to Moses. It included God's moral eternal law. When Jesus came and fulfilled the law, He gave us commands that expanded the stone law...a higher calling and even harder for man to keep. Why? So we would know that it's only through God's Spirit indwelling the believer, and Jesus's righteousness being imputed unto us that we can ever attain to the righteousness of God. We cannot ever attain without Christ in us, and it's only by His power and strength that we show forth the fruit of the Spirit of God.

Hey, OK! Thanks for the correction of what I thought you said! Still I am ! Your remark is Still not very clear to me. How about using some Bible verses for your take on the 4th Commandment written in the Born Again heart. Explain about six days work? + the rest for the staranger in your gat + the servant & livestock also, OK?

--Elijah

 

[glorydaz]

I said no such thing. God's eternal law was put in man's heart from the Creation...we are the creatures and God's moral eternal law of right and wrong (conscience) was from the beginning. Then God gave the written law to Moses. It included God's moral eternal law. When Jesus came and fulfilled the law, He gave us commands that expanded the stone law...a higher calling and even harder for man to keep. Why? So we would know that it's only through God's Spirit indwelling the believer, and Jesus's righteousness being imputed unto us that we can ever attain to the righteousness of God. We cannot ever attain without Christ in us, and it's only by His power and strength that we show forth the fruit of the Spirit of God.

Hey, OK! Thanks for the correction of what I thought you said! Still I am ! Your remark is Still not very clear to me. How about using some Bible verses for your take on the 4th Commandment written in the Born Again heart. Explain about six days work? + the rest for the staranger in your gat + the servant & livestock also, OK?--Elijah

You do know that you're living in shadow with your talk of the stranger, servant and livestock in our midst, don't you? We are to preach the Gospel to those who have not yet entered into the sabbath rest that Jesus has given to those who believe in Him. Israel did not enter in because of unbelief. We, who believe have entered in....

Our souls have found rest in Jesus...the Lord of the Sabbath.

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

As believers, we have entered into the sabbath rest of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah here: You say [quote}
You do know that you're living in shadow with your talk of the stranger, servant and livestock in our midst, don't you? We are to preach the Gospel to those who have not yet entered into the sabbath rest that Jesus has given to those who believe in Him. Israel did not enter in because of unbelief. We, who believe have entered in.... (end quote)

Hey, you are recording this in the heavenly record books, of Eccl. 12:13-14. We are not addressing [people] per/say, but God Himself. What you are saying above & me below, is acurately recorded.
So where are you telling the Universe that the Lord's forth 7th Day Command is a shadow doing away with even part of His Requirement?? + pluss self idol worship, and all the other ten that He say's are to be a Standard of our Judgement to even see if we are to be saved or not! James 2:8-12. And that Law of Liberty is a done away with shadow???

--Elijah

PS: Perhaps we best re/read the last couple Words of the Godhead's WARNING of Rev.! (or is that WARNING also only an idle Word of a SHADOW??)

 

[glorydaz]

Elijah here: You say [quote}
You do know that you're living in shadow with your talk of the stranger, servant and livestock in our midst, don't you? We are to preach the Gospel to those who have not yet entered into the sabbath rest that Jesus has given to those who believe in Him. Israel did not enter in because of unbelief. We, who believe have entered in.... (end quote)

Hey, you are recording this in the heavenly record books, of Eccl. 12:13-14. We are not addressing [people] per/say, but God Himself. What you are saying above & me below, is acurately recorded.
So where are you telling the Universe that the Lord's forth 7th Day Command is a shadow doing away with even part of His Requirement?? + pluss self idol worship, and all the other ten that He say's are to be a Standard of our Judgement to even see if we are to be saved or not! James 2:8-12. And that Law of Liberty is a done away with shadow???

--Elijah

PS: Perhaps we best re/read the last couple Words of the Godhead's WARNING of Rev.! (or is that WARNING also only an idle Word of a SHADOW??)

I have no fear of having what I've said recorded in any record book. There is no condemnation for those who are His children. He came to bring peace...not fear. His yoke is easy and His burden is light...it's man that tries to instill fear into our hearts...not the Lord. Jesus is my sabbath rest, so I'm not the one that needs to fear anything.

 

[Ahuli]

I said no such thing. God's eternal law was put in man's heart from the Creation...we are the creatures and God's moral eternal law of right and wrong (conscience) was from the beginning. Then God gave the written law to Moses. It included God's moral eternal law. When Jesus came and fulfilled the law, He gave us commands that expanded the stone law...a higher calling and even harder for man to keep. Why? So we would know that it's only through God's Spirit indwelling the believer, and Jesus's righteousness being imputed unto us that we can ever attain to the righteousness of God. We cannot ever attain without Christ in us, and it's only by His power and strength that we show forth the fruit of the Spirit of God.

You teach an arbitrary God. That's really sad. The law stands as it was/is/and will forever be. Not one jot or tittle added or removed.

It's what the Word teaches...not what I teach. I'm amazed that so much scripture can be ignored on this issue of the law.

Read from the New Testament for a change and perhaps you'll see I don't "teach an arbitrary God."

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

[quote="Hebrews 8:6":38wand52]But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law..... 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God..... 22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Jesus did fulfill the law...every jot and tittle. That's why He could say, "It is finished."

Christ is the end of the law for everyone that believes.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The law was only our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

[/quote:38wand52]
In what way would any covenant replace God's law? The rest of what you say is actually, so sorry, comical.

Only our schoolmaster? Who/what brings you to Christ now to ask for forgiveness of your sins, and sin is the transgression of the law?

If you keep the law, the law cannot touch you. That is true of the civil law as well. You are not under the schoolmaster when you keep the law. Understand that?

 

[Ahuli]

Elijah here: You say [quote}
You do know that you're living in shadow with your talk of the stranger, servant and livestock in our midst, don't you? We are to preach the Gospel to those who have not yet entered into the sabbath rest that Jesus has given to those who believe in Him. Israel did not enter in because of unbelief. We, who believe have entered in.... (end quote)

Hey, you are recording this in the heavenly record books, of Eccl. 12:13-14. We are not addressing [people] per/say, but God Himself. What you are saying above & me below, is acurately recorded.
So where are you telling the Universe that the Lord's forth 7th Day Command is a shadow doing away with even part of His Requirement?? + pluss self idol worship, and all the other ten that He say's are to be a Standard of our Judgement to even see if we are to be saved or not! James 2:8-12. And that Law of Liberty is a done away with shadow???

--Elijah

PS: Perhaps we best re/read the last couple Words of the Godhead's WARNING of Rev.! (or is that WARNING also only an idle Word of a SHADOW??)

I have no fear of having what I've said recorded in any record book. There is no condemnation for those who are His children. He came to bring peace...not fear. His yoke is easy and His burden is light...it's man that tries to instill fear into our hearts...not the Lord. Jesus is my sabbath rest, so I'm not the one that needs to fear anything.

He came to bring a sword.

 

[glorydaz]

He came to bring a sword.

Not to His children, He didn't.

 

[Ahuli]

He came to bring a sword.

Not to His children, He didn't.

Especially to HIS children.

 

[glorydaz]

He came to bring a sword.

Not to His children, He didn't.

Especially to HIS children.

You must be speaking of the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

I certainly can agree He came to bring the Word of Truth...it's a two-edged sword.