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GO READ THE COMMANDMENT, and then tell me again that your post is accurate?
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GO READ THE COMMANDMENT, and then tell me again that your post is accurate?
The stone law was given until the perfect was come. He came.
Now we listen to the Voice of the Lord... :amen
We have the commandments written on our hearts.Deuteronomy 13:18 said:
We have the Holy Spirit abiding in our hearts...a new and better Covenant has been given.Hebrews 10:16 said:
2 Corinthians 3:3 said:
Now we listen to the Voice of the Lord... :amen
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Elijah674 said:
Alright.
1973 I lost my Dad. I loved him as a son would. I found him dead by suicide by carbon monoxide. (Left the truck running while he sat there in the truck with the garage door closed). A few years later my wife left with another guy and I didn't find out about it until I got home from work. (Clothes gone, checking account wiped out, tools, guns and heirlooms gone, hocked at a pawn shop etc) I loved her very much but evidently it wasn't enough. Oh well, takes two to tango I suppose but getting to the point...
I had no love left in me. None. Alcohol, drugs and carousing around didn't fill the hole much less teach me anything other than the evil in people's hearts. Hey, I was bitter and scared to death of being alone and it kept me numb and out of touch to reality. It was better than sitting at home starring at the walls. At least that what I told myself anyway. The loneliness wasn't hard to solve but still there was very little if any love in those relationships.
1998, Aug 21th... one night alone on a friend's back porch looking at the beauty of the stars, completely sober and not high... yet. And He came. While I was yet a sinner He died for me.
He taught me how to love again. He taught me I was indeed capable of doing so for it was then that I returned the love given. I didn't need the alcohol, the drugs, the bar scene, the carousing and shacking up anymore. That was gone, the crutches thrown aside leaning on Him.
There's no way anyone is going to tell me the requirements of Christ's love. I did nothing to deserve what He had done for me, or more accurately "to" me. From that moment forward I was just about obsessed in finding out who He is, seeking out help, devouring the bible during a 6 month discipleship getting a couple "WOW!"s a day.
Do I profess loving Him? You bet. I couldn't bottle that up in super heavy duty 20lb thermos jug. No way. Yes, I profess loving Him but I can guarantee you it's not just lip service or some puffed up rationalization to make me feel good.
Keeping the Sabbath as a requirement to love Christ? Here's how I see this particular issue. If you believe it's a law unto you to keep the Sabbath then you will be judged by the law you trust. If you believe it's a sin to eat pork then indeed it's a sin unto you and your transgression will be judged by the law you embrace. That's a yoke for you to bear if it's the yoke you so choose to bear. If you believe Saturday is the Sabbath then for you Saturday is indeed the Sabbath. If you believe Sunday is the Sabbath then for you Sunday is indeed the Sabbath. But I find it very hard to swallow that keeping the Sabbath is a requirement to love Christ as He loves me, that if I don't keep the Sabbath then I don't love Him. It doesn't work that way.
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Christ stated (not me) .. 'IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS' And it seems that it is this only one, that these ones choose to toss out.
--Elijah
--Elijah
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Where did Jesus say that we are supposed to keep the Sabbath?
Heck, the Pharisees either waited for him to break the Sabbath or accused him of doing so. Indeed, he performed many "works" on the Sabbath for which he stood accused before the keepers of the Law, the Pharisees.
The commandments Christ gave are very clear...
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Notice:
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The commandments Christ gave didn't hang on the law but rather the law hung on those two commandments which encompassed the Law in it's entirely. How? By loving "the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." and loving "thy neighbour as thyself." Not the other way around.
If I love my neighbor I won't kill him, steal from him, covet his wife or bear false witness against him.
Loving God the Father?
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
I think you already know how I stand on the issue of loving my Lord and Savior.
Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deuteronomy 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
I was never a servant in the land of Egypt and I seriously doubt any of my ancestors were either.
I you wish to keep the Sabbath then do so by all means but please don't tell me I can't love my Lord and Savior if I don't keep the Sabbath as the Jews were commanded to do.
Heck, the Pharisees either waited for him to break the Sabbath or accused him of doing so. Indeed, he performed many "works" on the Sabbath for which he stood accused before the keepers of the Law, the Pharisees.
The commandments Christ gave are very clear...
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Notice:
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The commandments Christ gave didn't hang on the law but rather the law hung on those two commandments which encompassed the Law in it's entirely. How? By loving "the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." and loving "thy neighbour as thyself." Not the other way around.
If I love my neighbor I won't kill him, steal from him, covet his wife or bear false witness against him.
Loving God the Father?
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
I think you already know how I stand on the issue of loving my Lord and Savior.
Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deuteronomy 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
I was never a servant in the land of Egypt and I seriously doubt any of my ancestors were either.
I you wish to keep the Sabbath then do so by all means but please don't tell me I can't love my Lord and Savior if I don't keep the Sabbath as the Jews were commanded to do.
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There is nothing meant to be personal in my postings Forum:Rick W said:
It is the Word of Christ/God & Holy Spirit Inspiration that has Christ say... 'IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS'And if one has a Rom. 8:14 Conviction to Obey God? It is HE that has DOCUMENTED this verse, not me!
But yes, I do BELIEVE CHRIST.
--Elijah
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The question should be - What commandments was Jesus talking about ?
Most definitely, Jesus was not talking about keeping the commandments given unto Moses !
Jesus told us, that all the law of Moses and the prophets is fulfilled, by doing the two commandments to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And the second is liken unto the first, to love thy neighbor as thyself.
It never was his intent for us to keep the Sabbath literally. Now our commandment is to - Love
Most definitely, Jesus was not talking about keeping the commandments given unto Moses !
Jesus told us, that all the law of Moses and the prophets is fulfilled, by doing the two commandments to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And the second is liken unto the first, to love thy neighbor as thyself.
It never was his intent for us to keep the Sabbath literally. Now our commandment is to - Love
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Lord, I Love you?? Matt. 7:21-24 Finds quite a Truth! But here in Rev. 3 we see that once one is saved (Born Again) they will be saved only as their [FIRST LOVE] remains constant. Or Christ documents that they [will indeed be SPEWED out as sickening]! Even note why in bottom/line! There is just NO WAY for the Holy Spirit to [REACH THEM] for they say as do many today.. what more do I need? More Light? More Truth? Heb. 6 finds these ones past/tense 'MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST', They had the FIRST LOVE RECREATED in their Hearts, now what?? Christ Tel's them that they have lost their FIRST LOVE. And the Holy Spirit cannot move them (Hosea 4:6) any further on!! He even states the COLD lost sinner are in better position of being saved than them!
Case in point: In Gen. 6:3 we see the Holy Spirit [STRIVING] along with Noah's preaching for 120 years. And today we see the Rev. 17:1-5 ones teaching for Truth the same old 'false' doctrines with NO CHANGE for well past any 120 years. They still claim I LOVE YOU LORD. But Do they?? The answer is in the verses below, along with what Christ documents of their END. (Luke 12:47-48) Ask yourself if you are [Holy Spirit MOVEABLE??] Ask yourself what from the Eternal Covenant of Ten Commandments.. what of these 10 only .. [will you not obey]? (Psalms 19:7-13)
[13] [He that hath an ear], let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
[14] And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
[15] I KNOW THY [[WORKS,]] that thou art [neither cold nor hot:] I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, [[I will spue thee out of my mouth.]]
[17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
--Elijah
Case in point: In Gen. 6:3 we see the Holy Spirit [STRIVING] along with Noah's preaching for 120 years. And today we see the Rev. 17:1-5 ones teaching for Truth the same old 'false' doctrines with NO CHANGE for well past any 120 years. They still claim I LOVE YOU LORD. But Do they?? The answer is in the verses below, along with what Christ documents of their END. (Luke 12:47-48) Ask yourself if you are [Holy Spirit MOVEABLE??] Ask yourself what from the Eternal Covenant of Ten Commandments.. what of these 10 only .. [will you not obey]? (Psalms 19:7-13)
[13] [He that hath an ear], let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
[14] And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
[15] I KNOW THY [[WORKS,]] that thou art [neither cold nor hot:] I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, [[I will spue thee out of my mouth.]]
[17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
--Elijah
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Gen, 1
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen. 2
[15] And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen. 3
[8] And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9] And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10] And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen. 3
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
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[8] And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9] And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10] And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
[11] And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
[12] And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
[13] And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
[14] And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
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[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Gen. 4
[3] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
[4] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And the whole chapter up to verse 17 is a PERSONAL VOICE at least, back & forth in communication between God & Cain. So began satan' first full/fledged convert up to the flood. Take notice the span given satan beore Adam's Son of God came on the scene after Abels death by (satan's Desiree's) Cain.
Gen. 5
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
.....
[21] And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
[22] And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
[23] And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
[24] And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Still GOD WAS TALKING TO HIS CREATION!
Gen. 6
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive [with man,] for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
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[9] These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. (Acts 5:32! Obeyed MY PERSONAL COMMANDMENTS!)
[10] And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
[11] The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
[12] And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
(Again see Rev. 17:1-5's ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH ones! Well past the 120 years God Documented of the Holy Spirit's STRIVING seen here!)
[13] And [God said] unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
(Even here we see God talking & COMMANDING IN A VOICE exactly what His Truth was to be! AND... GOD SAID UNTO Abram, Get thee OUT OF THY COUNTRY in Gen. 12)..
[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
[4] So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
[5] And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
OK: It takes time for souls to become Born Again CONVERTS. And as Peter tells us by [Holy Spirit's] Inspiration that Noah was 'a preacher of righteousness, so also was Abram with the same ETERNAL GOSPEL OF CHRIST AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS! Rev. 14:6.
And in Gen. we have the Eternal Truth of why God choose Abram in the First Place!
Gen. 26
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
(and this was long long long before their were any highbred Jew on the scene! And again notice that God SPOKE WITH ABRAM (called at that time) WITH [HIS VOICE], [IN COMMANDMENTS, STATUES, AND KEPT (OBEYED!) MY CHARGE].')
[5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
OK: Gen. 11:1 we see that the Whole Earth was of ONLY ONE Language before God destroyed the Earth by a flood. And it was the chapter here that told why the one Language was necessary to be confused. But it is on over for Why God quite speaking directly to His own??? And why??? In Exod 20 God gave the Eternal Covenant that had been orally given before, which is now penned by Himself in two tables of stone. Even has the warning in the forth 7th Day Sabbath Command starting with [REMEMBER!] (note Psalms 135 13's BIRTHDAY! Memorial)
This SPEAKING OF GOD was never to be forgotten!
Note: Exod. 19:16-19. And in verses 18
[18] And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
[19] And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
[20] And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
[21] And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
[22] And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
And these were the only Words that the Lord has spoken to mankind! Deut. 5:22-26
Now note this stoppage of God talking as recorded. Deut. 26
[23] And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
[24] And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
[25] Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
[26] For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
[27] Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
[28] And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
[29] O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
[30] Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
[31] But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
[32] Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
[33] Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.
This was when the Nation of Israel came on the scene with the Lord's direct speaking with them individually stopped. And we see.. well at least some few see, what the purpose of Israel was supposed to be.
--Elijah
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen. 2
[15] And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen. 3
[8] And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9] And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10] And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen. 3
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
....
[8] And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9] And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10] And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
[11] And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
[12] And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
[13] And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
[14] And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
....
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Gen. 4
[3] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
[4] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And the whole chapter up to verse 17 is a PERSONAL VOICE at least, back & forth in communication between God & Cain. So began satan' first full/fledged convert up to the flood. Take notice the span given satan beore Adam's Son of God came on the scene after Abels death by (satan's Desiree's) Cain.
Gen. 5
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
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[21] And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
[22] And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
[23] And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
[24] And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Still GOD WAS TALKING TO HIS CREATION!
Gen. 6
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive [with man,] for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
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[9] These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. (Acts 5:32! Obeyed MY PERSONAL COMMANDMENTS!)
[10] And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
[11] The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
[12] And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
(Again see Rev. 17:1-5's ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH ones! Well past the 120 years God Documented of the Holy Spirit's STRIVING seen here!)
[13] And [God said] unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
(Even here we see God talking & COMMANDING IN A VOICE exactly what His Truth was to be! AND... GOD SAID UNTO Abram, Get thee OUT OF THY COUNTRY in Gen. 12)..
[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
[4] So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
[5] And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
OK: It takes time for souls to become Born Again CONVERTS. And as Peter tells us by [Holy Spirit's] Inspiration that Noah was 'a preacher of righteousness, so also was Abram with the same ETERNAL GOSPEL OF CHRIST AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS! Rev. 14:6.
And in Gen. we have the Eternal Truth of why God choose Abram in the First Place!
Gen. 26
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
(and this was long long long before their were any highbred Jew on the scene! And again notice that God SPOKE WITH ABRAM (called at that time) WITH [HIS VOICE], [IN COMMANDMENTS, STATUES, AND KEPT (OBEYED!) MY CHARGE].')
[5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
OK: Gen. 11:1 we see that the Whole Earth was of ONLY ONE Language before God destroyed the Earth by a flood. And it was the chapter here that told why the one Language was necessary to be confused. But it is on over for Why God quite speaking directly to His own??? And why??? In Exod 20 God gave the Eternal Covenant that had been orally given before, which is now penned by Himself in two tables of stone. Even has the warning in the forth 7th Day Sabbath Command starting with [REMEMBER!] (note Psalms 135 13's BIRTHDAY! Memorial)
This SPEAKING OF GOD was never to be forgotten!
Note: Exod. 19:16-19. And in verses 18
[18] And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
[19] And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
[20] And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
[21] And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
[22] And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
And these were the only Words that the Lord has spoken to mankind! Deut. 5:22-26
Now note this stoppage of God talking as recorded. Deut. 26
[23] And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
[24] And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
[25] Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
[26] For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
[27] Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
[28] And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
[29] O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
[30] Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
[31] But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
[32] Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
[33] Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.
This was when the Nation of Israel came on the scene with the Lord's direct speaking with them individually stopped. And we see.. well at least some few see, what the purpose of Israel was supposed to be.
--Elijah
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Do you think Jesus will mind if I rather keep every day a Sabbath?[/quote]
Go READ the forth Commandment. And answer your own question as to what Christ's Commandment requires. He even REQUIRES six day's of work.
--Elijah
Go READ the forth Commandment. And answer your own question as to what Christ's Commandment requires. He even REQUIRES six day's of work.
--Elijah
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Cornelius said:
Hi friend. Did you bring up Exod. 20:8? And if you can locate anywhere in the whole two tables written with the finger of God anything about 'meat' or 'feast days' or new moons +, let me know the verse ok? And you never did tell me if you have even read the ten there? Verse 8 starts with remember. Remember from where?? The very first day after Adam & Eve were created, it was the Sabbath of the Lord. (the birthday Memorial of Their creation! (See Psalms 135:13) And surely they listened intently to their very first Sabbath Sermon from God.
--Elijah
Elijah674 said:
God's resting on the seventh day is not the Sabbath. The Sabbath God gave to the children of Israel was to commemorate their deliverance from Egypt. The verse in Psalms is referring to all the generations since leaving Egypt. There is not one OT saint who followed the Sabbath law prior to it's being given to Moses.
This is speaking of God delivering the people of Israel from Egypt.Exodus 16:23 said:
Psalms 135:6-13 said:
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Elijah674 said:
Where are you getting this "Required" thing from anyway?
The OT perhaps? Then yes, if you were a Jew, one of God's chosen, then I can see where you would be "required" to do the law.
But that's all I'm seeing to uphold the idea one must keep the Sabbath today... are verses from the OT. We are not under the old covenant but the new.
Where in the NT does Christ command you to keep the Sabbath?
Again, "required" is your word not His.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
If I love Him I will love my neighbor as myself. If I love Him I will love the Father with my heart and soul.
Love produces deeds done.
Deeds done does not produce love.
I can do all the good things concerning my neighbor, not lie to him, not steal from him, not covet his wife or not bear false witness against him but that sure doesn't mean I love him. I'm just trying to be a nice guy. The deeds done are self-centered, not neighbor centered if you get what I'm saying. I'm doing those things for me, my pride, my personal outlook or my image but not him. He just happened to be there, someone I can use so I could do my good things and make me look good or feel better about myself. Bolstering the 'ol ego. I could say, "See what I did for him? I'm really a great guy huh? See how I show my love? Yeah, I'm a great fella."
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
But if I truly love my neighbor then those things are done without a moment's thought. HE is the center of the action, for the action, not me. It's toward him the things are directed and not toward me or for me or my self-image.