[_ Old Earth _] Article of Whale and Dolphin Evolution

[jasoncran]

I figure Someone said "let there be light." Not scientific, but true.

ok. i was wondering as it had to start from nothing eventually.

 

[Barbarian]

Yep. Universe was created ex nihilo. Life was not. Some forms of creationism are consistent with that, but YE is not.

 

[Crying Rock]

"...The problem between us, is you don't want to accept it the way God said He did it..."

Quote from the NIV how God said he used macroevolution in His creative endeavors.

Evolution isn't what Barbarian is referring to. He is referring to how God created life, not what he used to diversify it.

With which you apparently don't agree.

Evo:

~ From an Atheist

 

[Barbarian]

With which you apparently don't agree.

He's right about what he said, though. I pointed out that Genesis is incompatible with YE creationism, and you asked where it says He used macroevolution. Not the same thing at all. He doesn't say He used protons, either. A lot of things are true, that aren't in the Bible.

BTW, God would likely not use "macroevolution" as a term, since He made evolution to work the same way for speciation and for variation within a species.

 

[Crying Rock]

BTW, God would likely not use "macroevolution" as a term, since He made evolution to work the same way for speciation and for variation within a species.

Thanks for your prophesy.

 

[Evointrinsic]

BTW, God would likely not use "macroevolution" as a term, since He made evolution to work the same way for speciation and for variation within a species.

Thanks for your prophesy.

... That's not a prophesy, it just shows that god is most likely not ignorant to the knowledge of the lack of difference between micro and macro evolution.

 

[jasoncran]

prophesy as barb being annoited to speak what the lord says.

which if that was the case and the truth in genesis, the darwin shouldnt have doubted it!

 

[Evointrinsic]

So if I said "God would likely say that 2+2=4 not 2+2+5" that is a prophesy? or just showing that god isn't ignorant of simple mathematics?

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
BTW, God would likely not use "macroevolution" as a term, since He made evolution to work the same way for speciation and for variation within a species.

Thanks for your prophesy.

If it's directly observed, it's hardly "prophesy."

 

[jasoncran]

So if I said "God would likely say that 2+2=4 not 2+2+5" that is a prophesy? or just showing that god isn't ignorant of simple mathematics?

no, but neither of us can really know how god to the t did it since the toe or all other theories are falsifable. by this i mean that when we answer one question more arise.

 

[Evointrinsic]

So if I said "God would likely say that 2+2=4 not 2+2+5" that is a prophesy? or just showing that god isn't ignorant of simple mathematics?

no, but neither of us can really know how god to the t did it since the toe or all other theories are falsifable. by this i mean that when we answer one question more arise.

Yes, the theories themselves can be incorrect in areas, but you seem to be forgetting that the theories are an attempt to describe a natural phenomenon (as in, we know it exists, here is our interpretation of how it works). When it comes to micro and macro evolution, it's still evolution, they do the exact same thing. we don't need a theory of evolution for macro and micro evolution to exist.

Knowing this renders this quote as practical as my example with simple mathematics.

BTW, God would likely not use "macroevolution" as a term, since He made evolution to work the same way for speciation and for variation within a species.

 

[jasoncran]

ah but no information can come in that may change all that.is evolution falsifable. can it be one day shown not the case that we though it was that and it was totally different.

 

[Evointrinsic]

ah but no information can come in that may change all that.is evolution falsifable. can it be one day shown not the case that we though it was that and it was totally different.

Evolution is as much a reality as Gravity, Jason. The only thing that can be "falsified" is the theory that describes the Phenomenon. You can't disprove a natural substance or force, only our description of it.

 

[Crying Rock]

BTW, God would likely not use "macroevolution" as a term, since He made evolution to work the same way for speciation and for variation within a species.

Thanks for your prophesy.

... That's not a prophesy, it just shows that god is most likely not ignorant to the knowledge of the lack of difference between micro and macro evolution.


~ From an Atheist

Why are you quoting God?

 

[Crying Rock]

Barbarian observes:
BTW, God would likely not use "macroevolution" as a term, since He made evolution to work the same way for speciation and for variation within a species.

Thanks for your prophesy.

If it's directly observed, it's hardly "prophesy."

Okay, if you say so.

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
If it's directly observed, it's hardly "prophesy."

Okay, if you say so.

Words mean things. If you use them for private meanings, you're going to be misunderstood.

 

[Crying Rock]

Barbarian observes:
If it's directly observed, it's hardly "prophesy."

Okay, if you say so.

Words mean things. If you use them for private meanings, you're going to be misunderstood.

Example?

 

[Barbarian]

Calling an observation, a "prophesy", for example.

 

[Crying Rock]

Calling an observation, a "prophesy", for example.

Barbarian observes:
BTW, God would likely not use "macroevolution" as a term, since He made evolution to work the same way for speciation and for variation within a species.

What part of this is observation?

 

[Barbarian]

The party about micro and macroevolution being essentially the same thing.