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but his mother was of the seed of the blessed line not the cursed line. that says much he took the nature of man and he had blood. that of course doesnt mean like a literal line from mary but he did take on the nature of jewish men. he also could say she birthed him and carried him.

its the reverse. the nation of isreal reflects god not the reverse. i have read their statements on the torah. they say the torah is a reflection of him who gave it.i can see that clearly.
 
The earthly national Israel was not God's Chosen People, but His enemies that hated Him and His Son the Lord Jesus Christ ! Lk 19:27

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Jesus here is speaking of ethnic jews !
 
Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
 
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and Israel mine inheritance.

Which is the Church Eph 1:18

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
 
Also to know that the Church is Israel God's Inheritance, ones understanding must be enlightened as Paul mentions in Eph 1:18

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
 
It seems a stretch to refer to the Isaiah and the Ephesians passages and then to say that they are both about the same thing, and that Israel and the church are the same.

Israel is an earthly people with an earthly blessings (some of Israel were justified by faith, too), but the church is a heavenly people looking for the Rapture (1 Thess. 4).

I appreciate how writers such as CI Scofield and JN Darby point out the distinction between Israel, the church and the nations.
 
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It seems a stretch to refer to the Isaiah and the Ephesians passages and then
to say that they are both about the same thing, and that Israel and the church
are the same.

Sure it does until God enlightens the Understanding Eph 1:18

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The Saints are the NT and NT Saints Eph 2:19

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
 
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Sure it does until God enlightens the Understanding Eph 1:18

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The Saints are the NT and NT Saints Eph 2:19

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

...but Israel didn't start at Pentecost.

As Scofield points out, Paul to the Corinthians refers to the Jew, the Gentile and the church of God: the three groups of people.
 
Hi. I think your very brave for starting this thread and you have my respect.

One question I have. What is your interpretation of isiah chapter 53

I'm sure you realise Christians see it as being Jesus Christ in view. But what is your take :confused:

Apologies if you have already addressed this. I scanned old posts but I didn't notice any.
 
Im not a Jew, I simply consider myself a sojourner who sojourns with Israel. My take on this is, it is speaking of Israel as a nation not a person.
 
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Apparently, and I will admit I have not personally researched this , but pre Christian Hebrew scholars took this to be about messiah. I really don't see how they can make it to be about the nation is real. But thanks for the reply.
 
Apparently, and I will admit I have not personally researched this , but pre Christian Hebrew scholars took this to be about messiah. I really don't see how they can make it to be about the nation is real. But thanks for the reply.

Just have to break it down a little at a time.

Issues I have for instance, "He shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high,". Jesus, having been condemned to death in a not so very glorious manner tells me this prophecy was not realized in him.

Another consideration "He shall see seed and live many days," to the best of my knowledge Jesus had no offspring. His disciples cannot be called his offspring, though the word בָּנִים (sons) is applicable to them, and אֲבוֹת (fathers) to the teachers. But the word זֶרַע (seed)? It cannot as it is used in the bible only for bodily heirs.

Jesus was put to death when he was thirty years or so old. Now I know christians say Jesus is God but how can you say, "he shall live long" or "prolong his days" to a divine being? A term of longevity seems to be very inappropriate to God who is the prime cause of all existence and whose self existence is eternal.

From chapter 52 "Behold my servant shall prosper," to the end of the 53rd chapter, concern the people of Israel, who are still bearing the yoke of captivity, and are termed my servant in the singular number. This expression is used in many other places for example. In Isaiah, "And thou, O Israel, my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, my friend." Again, "And I say unto thee, Thou art my servant". "And now hear, O Jacob my servant, and Israel whom I have chosen", "Remember these things, O Jacob and Israel, for thou art my servant.", "I have formed thee to be my servant." "For the sake of Jacob my servant and Israel my chosen one."

I have never run across any scripture where Gods speaks of an individual such as Jesus as His chosen one. God states explicitly that he formed Israel to be His chosen servant.

I'm not sure what a pre christian hebrew scholar is, but we all dont think like them. Christian authorities love to quote from scriptures certain passages which on careful examination have absolutely no reference whatever to the immediate subject. I would suggest start reading from the first page of Genesis to understand the context of who is being spoken of in Isaiah 53. If not, then try starting with Isaiah 51 thru 54.

What do you think?
 
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Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, how mistaken you are! I have been a Levite at least 65 years longer than you have been a Jew and I can assure you that there is only One begotten Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ our Lord. My people, soon to be your adopted people, have it wrong. However, in their defense, I will say they were blinded to the truth, on purpose, for the sake of the Gentiles. Come back to Christ Johnny, it is the only way you will see our Father.
 
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, how mistaken you are! I have been a Levite at least 65 years longer than you have been a Jew and I can assure you that there is only One begotten Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ our Lord. My people, soon to be your adopted people, have it wrong. However, in their defense, I will say they were blinded to the truth, on purpose, for the sake of the Gentiles. Come back to Christ Johnny, it is the only way you will see our Father.

My name is not Johnny its David and I have said before I am not a Jew.

How was Jesus begotton? Where in scripture does it say God had intercourse with a woman so he could raise his own begotton son as the chosen one? For petes sake I offered in the above post Gods very own words in which He said he formed Israel His first born to be his chosen servant.
 
None of my parents are Jews. I'm making the difficult process of becoming Jewish. Anyone is welcome to ask me questions and I can do the same. Non Jews can become Jewish or they simply follow the Seven laws of Noah.
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I think you need to become a follower of Christ, The Jewish religion with its traditions cannot save anyone. Jesus is the ONLY WAY...whether you believe it or not.
 
Greetings everyone. My name is John or Juan. Which ever you prefer to call me. I'm in the process of becoming a Jew; I.E. converting to Judaism. Jews have a different way in conversion. Which is very difficult. Takes time, hard work, study, changes and so forth. I would like to chit-chat with you guys. Answer any question you have about my faith or even myself or my background. Ask me about G-d, Judaism, marriage and sex, how Jews eat and dress. Anything that is on your mind. I would try my best to use my own words and generalize sources. I will included links for you to check out on your own.

What are you converting from?

Randy
 
My name is not Johnny its David and I have said before I am not a Jew.

How was Jesus begotton?
Where in scripture does it say God had intercourse with a woman so he could raise his own begotton son as the chosen one? For petes sake I offered in the above post Gods very own words in which He said he formed Israel His first born to be his chosen servant.

God's firstborn would be a being not a people and such a being would state "before Abraham was I am"

You have the testimony in the NT. Those acts can't be mistaken.

Randy