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Psychiatrists are great at practicing deceit. I personally will never see one again unless I have a means to record the session. One word of advice...if they try and leave you alone in their office while they "step out for a moment" then refuse to be left in there and tell them you will wait in the waiting room until they can remain in their office with you.
 
My psychiatrist has been nothing but a great help to me. I suffered from depression and each year cycled through some horrible things. She simply talked to me, asked me lots of questions, learned my family history, and put me on a drug that balanced my brain. I went from basket case to my normal self. I still see her regularly (Every six months) as a follow up and am very blessed to have her as my shrink. She's more like a counselor and through her help I've learned many coping skills (that and several years with a Christian counselor I saw each week).

Depression and anxiety run through my family. It's not something people who don't suffer from them would understand. If you've ever been clinically depressed and had panic attacks, you know what I'm talking about. The right doctor can help. When the brain misfires and there are chemical imbalances in the brain, a proper drug (including the right dosage) is a smart fix. There are drawbacks but it beats being depressed and being a nonfunctional human being.
 
Papa Zoom said:
My psychiatrist has been nothing but a great help to me. I suffered from depression and each year cycled through some horrible things. She simply talked to me, asked me lots of questions, learned my family history, and put me on a drug that balanced my brain. I went from basket case to my normal self. I still see her regularly (Every six months) as a follow up and am very blessed to have her as my shrink. She's more like a counselor and through her help I've learned many coping skills (that and several years with a Christian counselor I saw each week).

Depression and anxiety run through my family. It's not something people who don't suffer from them would understand. If you've ever been clinically depressed and had panic attacks, you know what I'm talking about. The right doctor can help. When the brain misfires and there are chemical imbalances in the brain, a proper drug (including the right dosage) is a smart fix. There are drawbacks but it beats being depressed and being a nonfunctional human being.
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My psychologist started out genuine, but became more and more disingenuous as my employer/disability carrier plied her with more and more money. Same with the next two psychiatrists my employer made me see. If you don't have a corporate bounty on your head then you have a chance at getting real help...but if large corporations have a stake in the outcome, then you will find out something about this country you wish you never knew........how did those lyrics go?.....I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.....
 
daninthelionsden said:
My psychologist started out genuine, but became more and more disingenuous as my employer/disability carrier plied her with more and more money. Same with the next two psychiatrists my employer made me see. If you don't have a corporate bounty on your head then you have a chance at getting real help...but if large corporations have a stake in the outcome, then you will find out something about this country you wish you never knew........how did those lyrics go?.....I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.....
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I think the lesson here is buyer beware. Counselors are the same. Good ones and bad. I've had both. But my latest counselor and the psychiatrist that helped me through the depression were excellent. I probably could go off the meds but I won't. Going off isn't an easy road and the side effects are not that big a deal any more.
 
There's no such thing as chemical imbalances. Psych drugs don't fix the brain...they often create problems. Sometimes they help, for a season. All of them come with adverse effects.

I wish I'd never gone to a psychiatrist. I've been involuntarily electroshocked 2x. I've only now recovered, and only because God worked a miracle. I am remarkably healthy and (gasp) normal now despite what psychiatrists did to me, not because of "treatment."
 
Christ_empowered said:
There's no such thing as chemical imbalances. Psych drugs don't fix the brain...they often create problems. Sometimes they help, for a season. All of them come with adverse effects.

I wish I'd never gone to a psychiatrist. I've been involuntarily electroshocked 2x. I've only now recovered, and only because God worked a miracle. I am remarkably healthy and (gasp) normal now despite what psychiatrists did to me, not because of "treatment."
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None of this can be true since something went wrong with me and a pill helped offset the imbalance. Counseling helped too and it's possible that counseling alone could have helped me. But many people cannot be helped without off-setting drugs. Our brain has lots of properties and when it fires badly, we have an illness. Some people suffer debilitating depression. They take their own life. I've known people that did this. I've experienced depths myself that I hope to never repeat.

http://www.humanillnesses.com/Behavioral-Health-A-Br/Brain-Chemistry-Neurochemistry.html

A bad experience doesn't qualify as a rule for all to follow. Some people go to a doctor and get treated terribly or to a dentist and their teeth still rot. That doesn't mean that in general doctors can provide help and dentists can help us fix dental problems.

You had a bad doctor. I have an excellent one. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
A pill made your life better by reducing problems that psychiatrists call "symptoms." Calling problems "symptoms" doesn't make the problems medical issues. Voting problems and undesirable behaviors into the DSM and calling them "mental illnesses" doesn't make them brain diseases.

Brain diseases are treated by neurologists, not psychiatrists. If an MRI scan shows a physical basis for your problems, you're referred to a specialist. If it doesn't...the shrinks take over.

I didn't have a "bad doctor." I got the kind of psychiatric "Treatment" that low status people, women, minorities, poor people, etc. have always gotten. Torture as treatment. Labeling as treatment. Punishment as treatment.

The psychiatrist you see has victims, too. My current psychiatrist has victims. I'm not one of them because now I have my "genteel" people behind me. I see Dr.Nice Guy. The poor, black woman with an appointment earlier in the day probably didn't see Dr.Nice Guy, nor will she ever see Dr.Nice Guy.

Psychiatric drugs --and they are drugs, not "medicines" -- can suppress some problems, for some people, for a season. These are not brain diseases, the pills aren't "medicine," and the psychiatrists don't practice genuine medicine.
 
Christ_empowered said:
A pill made your life better by reducing problems that psychiatrists call "symptoms." Calling problems "symptoms" doesn't make the problems medical issues. Voting problems and undesirable behaviors into the DSM and calling them "mental illnesses" doesn't make them brain diseases.

Brain diseases are treated by neurologists, not psychiatrists. If an MRI scan shows a physical basis for your problems, you're referred to a specialist. If it doesn't...the shrinks take over.

I didn't have a "bad doctor." I got the kind of psychiatric "Treatment" that low status people, women, minorities, poor people, etc. have always gotten. Torture as treatment. Labeling as treatment. Punishment as treatment.

The psychiatrist you see has victims, too. My current psychiatrist has victims. I'm not one of them because now I have my "genteel" people behind me. I see Dr.Nice Guy. The poor, black woman with an appointment earlier in the day probably didn't see Dr.Nice Guy, nor will she ever see Dr.Nice Guy.

Psychiatric drugs --and they are drugs, not "medicines" -- can suppress some problems, for some people, for a season. These are not brain diseases, the pills aren't "medicine," and the psychiatrists don't practice genuine medicine.
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none of this is true according to the medical literature I've read. You state things you can't possibly know. Instead of going on and on about your bad experience, you ought to offer helpful insights.
 
Read Dr.Thomas Szasz. Read Foucault. Read the accounts of any number of "psychiatric survivors."

I'm not going on and on about a bad experience....that --is-- psychiatry. Its not all about controlling symptoms; its often about controlling people.

There are no differences in brain structure between so-called "mentally ill" people who have never had "treatment" and so-called "normal" controls. After "treatment," the brain changes...then, you have a "chemical imbalance" and often neurological problems...caused by psychiatry (iatrogenic disease).

I'm glad your private practice, outpatient psychiatrist is nice to you and gives you pills that help your problems. Just as you tell me not to go on and on about a "bad experience," please don't assume that your experience of Mental Health, Inc. is what everybody experiences.
 
Christ_empowered said:
A pill made your life better by reducing problems that psychiatrists call "symptoms." Calling problems "symptoms" doesn't make the problems medical issues. Voting problems and undesirable behaviors into the DSM and calling them "mental illnesses" doesn't make them brain diseases.

Brain diseases are treated by neurologists, not psychiatrists. If an MRI scan shows a physical basis for your problems, you're referred to a specialist. If it doesn't...the shrinks take over.

I didn't have a "bad doctor." I got the kind of psychiatric "Treatment" that low status people, women, minorities, poor people, etc. have always gotten. Torture as treatment. Labeling as treatment. Punishment as treatment.

The psychiatrist you see has victims, too. My current psychiatrist has victims. I'm not one of them because now I have my "genteel" people behind me. I see Dr.Nice Guy. The poor, black woman with an appointment earlier in the day probably didn't see Dr.Nice Guy, nor will she ever see Dr.Nice Guy.

Psychiatric drugs --and they are drugs, not "medicines" -- can suppress some problems, for some people, for a season. These are not brain diseases, the pills aren't "medicine," and the psychiatrists don't practice genuine medicine.
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Hi CE
You know I love you but I have to agree with Papa Zoom.
Most depression is caused by lack of serotonin in the brain.
Medicine replaces this. Also, it helps with anxiety and panic attacks.

When you have a headache do you take aspirin or do you prefer to suffer? It's the same.

Papa Zoom is right in saying that any side effect is worth not feeling depression.

Anyway this is not the right place...

Hey Saintman, do what it takes and be honest with your doctor.
Where have you been??
God's blessings

Wondering
 
I've had a number of psychiatrists, good and bad. My current one is wonderful. She is very good at what she does. She doesn't accept my insurance but is nice enough to charge me a very discounted rate and she continually calls my insurance company and therapist and never charges for that. It may take some time to find the right psychiatrist but some can really be helpful if you give them a chance.
 
I admit I got lucky. But my counselor was very good and a fellow Christian. He recommended the psychiatrist when I kept cycling in my depressions. It was bad enough that at times I could not work. I couldn't function in groups. After a short time with my psychiatrist, I began to feel "normal." I've not had a new depression cycle since starting her treatment.

I saw my counselor for three years and learned many coping strategies. I've also read many books, learned breathing techniques, positive self talk, (like when I start getting a panic attack I actually can talk my self out of it) and various life style changes (like saying no to more responsibility when my plate is full. I refuse to allow people to put me in an uncomfortable situation and I refuse to feel guilty when I don't live up to the expectations of others. I have appropriate boundaries and I expect people to respect them.

And if I meet a fellow sufferer, I offer a listening ear for as long as they need. I know what they are going through and one thing that helped me was an empathetic ear.
 
I too have been to several psychologist and psychiatrist and counselors, have not found a good one. I can say if anyone offers help on line run do not let them scheme you; i've tried it; on line help by any one is a sham even if they claim to be a Christian counselor.
 
The "brain" is an interesting instrument. Therein is a recording of everything we are, usually defined as being in the subconscious. It is between the interactions of the conscious and the subconscious that difficulties can arise. The conscious deflects or throttles down the external sensory inputs so we can function on a practical basis. The conscious also throttles down the information flows available from the subconscious.

We have to "govern" our brain from the seat of the conscious mind. But there can be some real issues with this governance because of the overwhelming flows of information from the external and internal.

So, to saintman, may God grant you governance in controlling the information flow, and give you peace in the seat of rule. May Jesus sit in that seat with you, in the midst.
 
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The "brain" is an interesting instrument. Therein is a recording of everything we are, usually defined as being in the subconscious. It is between the interactions of the conscious and the subconscious that difficulties can arise. The conscious deflects or throttles down the external sensory inputs so we can function on a practical basis. The conscious also throttles down the information flows available from the subconscious.

We have to "govern" our brain from the seat of the conscious mind. But there can be some real issues with this governance because of the overwhelming flows of information from the external and internal.

So, to saintman, may God grant you governance in controlling the information flow, and give you peace in the seat of rule. May Jesus sit in that seat with you, in the midst.
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Sometimes there can be no governance in the flow of information...
only in how we handle it
and sometimes it's impossible to handle all of it.
 
A few practical tips on governing the body, which does reflect into the mind/brain.

Functionally, when we eat a diet that is high in animal proteins and dairy, our system generates a likewise high volume of hydrochloric acid. This not only can, but does present the body problems over time. The body is not equipped to deal with and dispose of the high volume of acid. Excess acid deteriorates the organs and hinders the function of the body. It also causes internal inflammations and restricts the flows of fluids in the body. The body has for example 4-5 times more lymphatic fluid than blood. And this is the "waste" system for our internals. When the lymph system slows, trying to eliminate excess acids, the body eventually plugs, and this ends up killing us over time.

The first suggestion I would have for anyone suffering from repeated depression, which is really a SIGNAL from the body that it's having problems, is to eliminate meat/dairy/fish/eggs/wheat/processed sugar-flour/processed oils and processed foods from the diet. Doing this will dramatically reduce the flows of acid into the system and the system will begin a restorative process back to normal functioning.

I'd suggest that within 60-120 days that a marked difference in mind will come about as the stresses from these acids becomes reduced.

There is a short period of adjustment because the body is addicted to the opiates that come from the above listed foods to avoid.

Take care of the body, THE MIND will follow because your body will be functioning apart from the many naturally occurring drugs and acid that are being pumped into the system. Yes, it does take "discipline" to control what we stuff into the pie hole. But that is exactly where 'self control' starts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I
 
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