At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

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Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself...

All one needs to look upon is the resurrected and glorified body of our Lord Jesus Christ in order to know that He did in fact have flesh and bone..

But did He have blood ?

Tough to say isn't it.. and it's wondrous to think upon these things no doubt.

Paul speaks of the church of God in Eph 5 with respect to our being His flesh and bone.. and notice that it doesn't say blood either..

For His precious blood was shed upon that forsaken cross at Calvary where He alone bore the sin of the world in His own body..

And we know that no man has ascended into heaven but the Son of man who came down from heaven.. and yet we also know that our citizenship (the church of God) is IN HEAVEN..

This is why the Apostle to the Gentiles admonishes us to set our affections on the things above, and not on the things on earth.. for ye are DEAD and your life is hid in CHRIST with God.. and that when HE APPEARS, we shall appear with HIM..

The Apostle to the GENTILES also tells us that those which are fallen asleep (deceased) in Christ... shall be brought with HIM and that THEY shall rise FIRST.. and we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with THEM to meet the Lord in the air.. and then we shall forever be with the LORD..

These are undeniable scriptural truths pertaining to the church of God... which is a heavenly entity.. even the future bride and wife of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We know that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.. although flesh and bone certainly can.. and His resurrected and glorified body certainly has flesh and bone.

 

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Some of the Apostles (if not all) witnessed what was perhaps the most brutal, inhumane, torturous, and humiliating death of that meek and lowly man from Nazareth.. and I'm sure that we can't begin to understand that.. nor can we understand those last hours when God closed the scene in darkness and made Him to be sin for us.. the only one who knew no sin, did no sin, and had no sin in Him.

And without doubt the foundation of the gospel of God's beloved Son stands firmly upon the life, death, burial, and resurrection of that meek and lowly man from Nazareth, that Man of Calvary, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Because as the Apostle to the circumcision proclaims.. it was not possible for death to hold Him, and that His body did not see corruption.. for God has raised Him from the dead according to the Spirit of HOLINESS..

This world made Him look like a common sinner when they numbered Him with the transgressors... although we know that our Lord and Saviour willingly went there, to that forsaken place where we can't begin to know.. to die there for our sins.. even to be made sin for us.. to bring us back to His Father..

And this is the absolute foundation of the believers hope.. that this corruption will put on incorruption.. when these vile bodies are changed in a moment.. in the blink of an eye.. and be fashioned like His infinitely glorious and resurrected body.

David's bones remain in the grave along with every other man in Adam.. for death has passed upon all men. This earth is a massive graveyard because of sin.. and not only that.. but because Satan is the god of it.. and we wrestle against spiritual wickedness in high places.. against the rulers of the darkness of this world...

And of course that is going to change at His coming.. because we're told plainly that He will destroy that man of sin with the BRIGHTNESS of His coming.. Rev 19 says the same thing within the obvious context of His coming.. that He will destroy the beast and false prophet at His coming..

And it is coming.. the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.. even as a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child.

At the REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

 

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Flesh and bone...

I listened to a brother speak on the very subject of what our resurrected bodies will run on... so to speak.. and while we can't be absolutely dogmatic about it.. we can certainly ponder these things which shall be hereafter..

Anyway, long story short.. our resurrected bodies will have flesh and bone.. and they shall be incorruptible.. and they're going to run on nothing less than the SPIRIT of that glorified Man who shed His precious blood upon that forsaken cross for our sins, even for the sin of the world.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God...

Incorruptible flesh and bone along with the eternal Spirit of God shall indeed inherit the kingdom of God.

 

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A marriage made in heaven...

Notice clearly that the Apostle to the Gentiles teaches the church of God that we have been sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.. which is the EARNEST of our INHERITance until the REDEMPTION of His purchased possession.. unto the praise of His glory..

Another absolutely wondrous living and powerful illustration of this EARNEST which we have received (in advance) is within the ancient OT scriptures.. specifically the story of Abraham sending his eldest servant to find a bride for his only begotten son Isaac..

Rebekah is found at the well and is given many precious gifts according to the testimony of his masters son.. who has inherited all things from his father.. and the long journey toward Isaac begins..

And when Isaac ultimately did MEET Rebehak.. he took her into his mothers tent and she became his wife..

I have often pondered this..

The church of God is going to meet the Lord in the air according to the word of God.. and then we know that He is going to present His glorious church to Himself.. without spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing.. and of course Revelation 19 speaks of these infinitely wondrous things..

Which shall be here... after...

We can't even begin to understand the depths of all these things..

 

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Isaiah 60:2
For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

HIS LIGHT will in fact arise in the midst of DARKNESS.

Daniel 12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

 

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Isaiah 60:2
For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

HIS LIGHT will in fact arise in the midst of DARKNESS.

Daniel 12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Amen again !

I love Daniel 12 because it is a perfect connection to Revelation 12, and the time of the end.. when Daniel's people shall be DELIVERED..

For the Deliverer shall COME from Sion and turn ungodliness from JACOB.. in that Day.. the Day of the Lord.. the Day of Jesus Christ.. when the Son of righteousness shall rise upon him.. with healing in His wings..

Certainly these are some of the most staggering things to come... hereafter.. even a woman with child..

At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

 

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Amen again !
I love Daniel 12 because it is a perfect connection to Revelation 12, and the time of the end.. when Daniel's people shall be DELIVERED..

For the Deliverer shall COME from Sion and turn ungodliness from JACOB.. in that Day.. the Day of the Lord.. the Day of Jesus Christ.. when the Son of righteousness shall rise upon him.. with healing in His wings..

You know well by now I am an afficionado of these matters and have observed them intently.

Zion is a spiritual term for 'dry ground.' Those who hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be FILLED. From there ZION shall be saved. It is a picture of thirsty ground with certain Divine Promises, many. And that same 'ground' comes with warnings as well. See Hebrews and the ground that drinks up water and produces thorns and thistles.

It is upon Zion that God has set His King:

Psalm 2:6
Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Psalm 50:2
Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.

We could make many observations of these matters on that ground. And it is not a location in Israel. Though some will insist it is.

Certainly these are some of the most staggering things to come... hereafter.. even a woman with child..

At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

God blesses the house of Jacob. That is the house of the wrestler. All who enter Zion enter through his house.

Psalm 78:
5 For he established a testimony in Jacob

Psalm 99:4
The king's strength also loveth judgment; thou dost establish equity, thou executest judgment and righteousness in Jacob.

Isaiah invites those of this house in for a walk:

Isaiah 2:5
O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

There is both a debate and a wrestling match to be had in Jacob.

Zion and Jacob are entry points to many spiritual understandings.

Isaiah 59:20
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

There is a time of Jacob's trouble. None in the house will avoid that confrontation.

Amos 9:8
Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.

Obadiah 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

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And you know that I disagree with you concerning the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.. because you say that it is here and now.. and I'm convinced that it shall be hereafter..

We must simply agree to disagree and that's that.

 

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The things which are... and the things which shall be hereafter...

There are clear and concise scriptural portions which speak of the things which are.. concerning this present evil world in which we live.. just as there are clear and concise portions which speak of the things which shall be hereafter.. Revelation 4-20 being exactly that.. miraculous detail concerning the enormous events of that Day.. the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ..

Which shall come as a thief in the night, and as travail upon a woman with child..

 

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And you know that I disagree with you concerning the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.. because you say that it is here and now.. and I'm convinced that it shall be hereafter..

Never made that statement.

The Day you speak of is the DAY when 'all' the enemies are gone and destroyed. On that day 'your trouble' ends.

We must simply agree to disagree and that's that.

I doubt we've even had an in depth discussion. If you think I have said that day has already arrived I'd only say you didn't hear it from me.

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Never made that statement.

The Day you speak of is the DAY when 'all' the enemies are gone and destroyed. On that day 'your trouble' ends.


I doubt we've even had an in depth discussion. If you think I have said that day has already arrived I'd only say you didn't hear it from me.

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Then I stand corrected.. and I'm glad that you can see that THAT DAY has not yet come..

 

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Then I stand corrected.. and I'm glad that you can see that THAT DAY has not yet come..

Proverbs 4:18
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

 

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Proverbs 4:18
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

And all that I could say to this is Amen.. for it is the simple truth of the word of God.

 

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and on the other side of the ledgers, this also happens when THE LIGHT shines...

"that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful."

There is but ONE LIGHT that shines.

There are TWO THINGS that happen when said light shines.

The LIGHT grows both TARES to arousal and final destruction and WHEAT to eventual harvest.

This is Gods Present workings 'in' the earth.

There will be a FINAL HARVEST and a FINAL DESTRUCTION.

A 'last crop' spiritually speaking.

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By all means share your thoughts on the things which shall be hereafter... When he does come with power and glory in that Day, the Day of The Lord Jesus Christ.

 

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By all means share your thoughts on the things which shall be hereafter... When he does come with power and glory in that Day, the Day of The Lord Jesus Christ.

Amplify the LIGHT to both workings.

Some get caught up in trying to pin these matters down on external or fleshly sights. They are in fact spiritual matters.

There is one certainty at the finality. MORE LIGHT will shine and MORE LIGHT will also destroy.

For those who's internal desire has been LED into HIS LIGHT, it will be A GLORIOUS DAY and it will be SEEN by them, while NOT by others. Far be it from me to 'call a day' or 'an hour' that only God can call. I do however observe 'signs' as they are all intimately laid out throughout the text. Some are led to see them. There are MANY showings even now, and on BOTH SIDES of the ledgers. I am more inclined to observe the activities of the 'unseen' enemies, and few even know how to set 'allegorical' foot on that ground. So anything I might say here would be meaningless to those not exercised therein as they wouldn't 'get it' anyway.

And on the other side of the ledgers, they will probably not even know what hit them.

Jesus will come QUICKLY into His Temple. Lightning fast.

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

The churches at the end WILL hear.

And the Loving Word Water will cascade therein, first as a TRICKLE from the EAST FACING DOOR of the temple, even while simultaneously being HARDENED to the 'spiritual' equivalent of 100lb hailstones on the heads of the enemies at the finality.

dig? Prolly not. I know however you will sense some of these things because of His Spirit in you.

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If any man speak... let him speak the oracles of God..

Amplify the LIGHT to both workings.

Some get caught up in trying to pin these matters down on external or fleshly sights. They are in fact spiritual matters.

So are you suggesting that the Lord Jesus Christ isn't actually coming again with power and great glory and with ten thousands of His saints.. and that these things are only spiritual in their revelation to us ?

They're not actually going to happen ?

How about the resurrection of the dead at His coming..?

So anything I might say here would be meaningless to those not exercised therein as they wouldn't 'get it' anyway.

Well, if you're like most believers.. you'll simply build word upon word and scripture upon scripture to support what you would say..

If I speak on the resurrection of the dead I should simply reference scripture which speaks of the resurrection of the dead.. if speaking on the Day of the Lord then of course I should reference scripture which speaks of the Day of the Lord.. etc etc..

 

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Re: If any speak... let him speak the oracles of God..

So are you suggesting that the Lord Jesus Christ isn't actually coming again with power and great glory and with ten thousands of His saints.. and that these things are only spiritual in their revelation to us ?

They're not actually going to happen ?

Of course they are happening and will happen and yes, there will be a finality.

And equally, there are many 'fleshly' fairytales around these matters.

The fact is that the power of evil is not a 'seen' matter as are many of the engagements of Revelation. They are shadowed, typed and figured exactly for that reason, because they point to matters unseen.

We will be seeing no fleshly beast rising up out of the sea for example nor will we 'see' the great star of heaven, Wormwood, falling into the rivers and seas.

How about the resurrection of the dead at His coming..?

Ress. of the living and the dead. Certainly. How do you think 'we' will appear when this happens for example:

1 Cor. 15:
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


It will remain problematic to see these matters through flesh eyes, true?

Well, if you're like most believers.. you'll simply build word upon word and scripture upon scripture to support what you would say..

If you understand allegory, types, figures, shadows you will also understand they are in fact 'present realities' with 'present showings.' Even though they are 'unseen.' The world itself is filled with continual Living Allegory not much different than what transpired in the past, and is shown by God continually.

If I speak on the resurrection of the dead I should simply reference scripture which speaks of the resurrection of the dead.. if speaking on the Day of the Lord then of course I should reference scripture which speaks of the Day of the Lord.. etc etc..

There are many 'types' of understandings. For me understandings of strictly black on white without applications are somewhat worthless. Lip service.

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Re: If any speak... let him speak the oracles of God..

Of course they are happening and will happen and yes, there will be a finality.

I was speaking specifically of the revelation of Jesus Christ.. when He literally and physically comes with ten thousands of His saints.. this is obviously not happening now.. because right now the Lord is seated at the right hand of His Father in heaven.. waiting til His enemies be made His footstool.. and now we see not yet all things put under Him.. and

He is also building His church, calling out a people for His name (CHRISTians).. delivering us from the power and lies of Satan, the god of this world.. calling us out of it.. because IT is passing away..

And equally, there are many 'fleshly' fairytales around these matters.

No doubt about that..

The fact is that the power of evil is not a 'seen' matter as are many of the engagements of Revelation. They are shadowed, typed and figured exactly for that reason, because they point to matters unseen.

While I certainly agree with your premise here.. imo evil is seen and realized at the same time.. it's not like we're ignorant of it being here..

We will be seeing no fleshly beast rising up out of the sea for example nor will we 'see' the great star of heaven, Wormwood, falling into the rivers and seas.

While many of the things which shall be hereafter are symbolic.. they're also quite literal.. because there will be that man of sin who has dominion over the entire earth for a time.. and he will be destroyed by the brightness of the Lord's coming.. imo this is clear as Day..

Ress. of the living and the dead. Certainly. How do you think 'we' will appear when this happens for example:

1 Cor. 15:
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


It will remain problematic to see these matters through flesh eyes, true?

IMO it's going to be painfully obvious.. and literally happening in a moment.. in the blink of an eye..

At the revelation of Jesus Christ..

 

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Re: If any speak... let him speak the oracles of God..

I was speaking specifically of the revelation of Jesus Christ.. when He literally and physically comes with ten thousands of His saints.. this is obviously not happening now.. because right now the Lord is seated at the right hand of His Father in heaven.. waiting til His enemies be made His footstool.. and now we see not yet all things put under Him

This is 'how' the final destruction of the enemies comes:

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I'd suggest we may not be here when this transpires.

.. and He is also building His church, calling out a people for His name (CHRISTians).. delivering us from the power and lies of Satan, the god of this world.. calling us out of it.. because IT is passing away..

Undoubtedly. We've had our discussions about evil prior. It is a progression from 'internal' to 'external.'

While I certainly agree with your premise here.. imo evil is seen and realized at the same time.. it's not like we're ignorant of it being here..

Any believer has their 'senses' honed to recognize and resist these matters, sooner or later. That exercise is internal and keeps us from being enslaved.

While many of the things which shall be hereafter are symbolic.. they're also quite literal.. because there will be that man of sin who has dominion over the entire earth for a time.. and he will be destroyed by the brightness of the Lord's coming.. imo this is clear as Day..

Anytime one sets foot into allegory there will be all kinds of notions. Allegory itself though is quite easy to understand and the ways and means to do so are set forth for handling.

At it's essence is the division between good and bad.

IMO it's going to be painfully obvious.. and literally happening in a moment.. in the blink of an eye..

At the revelation of Jesus Christ..

Undoubtedly we are changed FROM Glory TO Glory.

2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

It is The Living Word that takes hold in a believer and brings them understandings.

2 Timothy 4:18
And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I have great hope and confidence in these matters, and not just for myself, but for all other believers.

It has not payed to look upon my fellow believers with ANY intentions of harm.

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