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Atheist Hitchens Dead

Mike

Mike

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As a rule, I don't say particular people will be going to hell. I leave that to God's Righteous Judgment, but Christopher Hitchens, who spent much of his life mocking God and arguing against his existence, is extraordinary.

What could that moment be like when the Truth is standing before him after a life like that, assuming he didn't have a deathbed change of heart?

The worlds foremost outspoken atheist is dead.

mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7BF0FI20111216?irpc=932
 
The death of another atheist is not news, it happens dozens of times every day.

Here we have the loss of an exceptional author/journalist/raconteur/wit which is a loss to the world. Perhaps we should pray for his soul.
 
No point in judging him now, he's definitely in the hands of the Lord now.

I read that he said of God, when learning of his prognosis, "No evidence or argument has yet been presented which would change my mind. But I like surprises."


Most likely not.
 
Aardverk said:
The death of another atheist is not news, it happens dozens of times every day.

Here we have the loss of an exceptional author/journalist/raconteur/wit which is a loss to the world. Perhaps we should pray for his soul.
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Frankly, it doesn't matter to me that the man was a brilliant thinker. That doesn't make him more "valuable" as a person than any other atheist who dies.

As for praying for his soul, the Bible teaches us that "today" is the day of salvation...once one has moved from "today" into eternity, the time for salvation is over. "It is appointed for men to die once, after death comes judgement."

However, I lost my dad to cancer and I know that there is a lot going on during those final hours, when it looks like the dying is just laying there. My dad would see and talk to beings that we couldn't see. We assume they were angels. Perhaps Mr. Hitchens had some time during those final moments to repent and ask for forgiveness. That is something worth hoping for.
 
I know of a couple Christian philosophers and thinkers who debated Hitchens over the last decade, who genuinely liked him (having listened to him speak many times, I can say he was exceptionally personable - it was hard not like him), but said that his take on God was, "He doesn't exist, and I hate him."

From reading Hitchens' writing and listening to his interviews and speeches, I have to concur, he talked intellectually like he believed God didn't exist, but there were frequent moments when he talked like he believed God did exist, but only as the focus of much of Chris' anger.

But I have to agree with Handy, I believe that a lot can happen in the moments before death. For all we know, the risen Christ may appear to those on death's door and reason with them for what could seem like hours or days to the one dying. I have read accounts of Christians who, when witnessing a fellow believe die, have been certain that dying man saw Christ for a brief time before death. Why not unbelievers too? It certainly sounds like something Jesus might do.

I hope Chris had a change of heart in his last moments. Despite his opposition to Christianity in his life he was a very interesting person.
 
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Nathan Alterton said:
From reading Hitchens' writing and listening to his interviews and speaches, I have to concur, he talked intellectually like he believed God didn't exist, but there were frequent moments when he talked like he believed God did exist, but only as the focus of much of Chris' anger.
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He's probably like me in so-far that having such a faith would make him an extremely angry person. Usually because you have some kind of either personal or impersonal greivence with the whole notion of a christian god as it comes across.

Similarly would be the case with me. In that if a deity did exsist and proved it's exsistence to me I would be very angry... And I'm not angry at such a creature because I don't have such a faith in it's exsistence. And I suffer no consequence as a result.

It probably seems alien to you because in your case I'd suspect it works the other way around but that's what it is.

I didn't actually know the guy or any of his writings I only learned about him today when somone else commented about this story I have no strong feelings about it beyond knowing that he aggrivated his own death. I say this with no malice. He made his choice and these are the consequences.
 
Nathan Alterton said:
.... his take on God was, "He doesn't exist, and I hate him."
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I will risk stating the obvious; his phrase, "He doesn't exist, and I hate Him" was actually intended as a joke. As in - you can't hate someone who doesn't exist.
 
I've seen interviews and watched several debated where Hitchens participated. I found very little to like about him. Especially with one against WL Craig, he was very condescending, sarcastic, and belittling of believers. Lane would stick to his side of the logic and evidence, but Hitchens would inject smug jabs into every turn. :gah

I would never buy his books or even check them out of the library, which would show support for them buying it. There's enough on the internet to know his argument. I always imagine when we are Judged, we will have our time alone in God's Presence, even if it just feels that way. I cannot fathom the joy I'll experience and the horror for him (and everyone who did not place his/her faith in Him). To spend all those years of his life trying to convince people from believing... :sad
 
handy said:
Frankly, it doesn't matter to me that the man was a brilliant thinker. That doesn't make him more "valuable" as a person than any other atheist who dies.

As for praying for his soul, the Bible teaches us that "today" is the day of salvation...once one has moved from "today" into eternity, the time for salvation is over. "It is appointed for men to die once, after death comes judgement."

However, I lost my dad to cancer and I know that there is a lot going on during those final hours, when it looks like the dying is just laying there. My dad would see and talk to beings that we couldn't see. We assume they were angels. Perhaps Mr. Hitchens had some time during those final moments to repent and ask for forgiveness. That is something worth hoping for.
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on july 17 of this year my jewish grandmother died and when i think of the tanakh as it was hers and my grandpas i wonder how many days did they teach my dad . uncle and aunt that book and the joy that they had when all of the went through their mitzvahs. they must have been proud.


i have spent a lot of time listening to the paul wilbur song shalom jerusalem and though of them holding hands when they died(they died 11 yrs apart) and also i wish that when the LORD comes they will be there with him.

but i know not of any conversion:nono2 so too is my uncle steve.

i take no joy in any sinners death.
 
For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." (1 Corinthians 1:19 NIV)
 
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If I were asked to recommend just one secular book to be made mandatory reading in seminaries all around the world; it would be Hitchens' book "god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything" because though I don't agree with the first half of that statement; I fully agree with the second.
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If I were asked to recommend just one secular book to be made mandatory reading in seminaries all around the world; it would be Hitchens' book "god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything" because though I don't agree with the first half of that statement; I fully agree with the second.
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christianity is a religion!
 
Webers_Home said:
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And just as toxic as any other religion when it's in the wrong hands.

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it can be but like it or not when you saying what you do here you are a "religious " person.

one cant be a follower of christ and not have sacraments to do, ie baptism and repentance and the communion. all by definition religious rites!
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a: a prescribed form or manner governing the words or actions for a ceremony b: the ceremonial practices of a church or group of churches
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: a ceremonial act or action <initiation rites>

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: a division of the Christian church using a distinctive liturgy

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Origin of RITE

Middle English, from Latin ritus; akin to Greek arithmos number — more at arithmeticFirst Known Use: 14th century


Related to RITE

Synonyms: ceremonial, ceremony, form, formality, observance, ritual, solemnity
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Some will receive few stripes and others many. Making a career mocking God will certinally earn him the latter....................
 
Perhaps we should pray for his soul.

No reason to. His trial is over, the evidence is all in, and the judgement has been passed. HE IS - where he's gonna be, and no amount of "Prayer" can change that now.
 
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