avoid vain arguments - do not bite and devour

[wondering]

Yeah. Select elders that are beyond reproach, not someone becomes beyond reproach because they are an elder. I think the Bible is pretty straight forward on that.

Nice biblical idea.
Too bad that in real life it doesn't work out.

 

[Northman]

Nice biblical idea.
Too bad that in real life it doesn't work out.

Entertaining segments of the body that don't operate properly is probably something none of us should be doing, even if we feel the need for a bit o churchiness.

It's sort of like economic bailouts. Keep going and they will not only not ever learn, but actually expect support when they knowingly do wrong.

 

[jaybo]

Entertaining segments of the body that don't operate properly is probably something none of us should be doing, even if we feel the need for a bit o churchiness.

It's sort of like economic bailouts. Keep going and they will not only not ever learn, but actually expect support when they knowingly do wrong

What's with the gratis comment about economic bailouts? Who is "they"? Not only does it sound like the opposite of "love your neighbor as yourself", but is clearly off-topic.

The OP is about avoiding vain arguments and not biting and devouring. Clearly your post doesn't follow this precept.

 

[Northman]

What's with the gratis comment about economic bailouts? Who is "they"? Not only does it sound like the opposite of "love your neighbor as yourself", but is clearly off-topic.

The OP is about avoiding vain arguments and not biting and devouring. Clearly your post doesn't follow this precept.

You would just have to follow the short conversation between wondering and I to see it. The context of "they" are churches that don't feel like following scripture and instead do their own thing. In this particular case it's the selection of elders. Churches with elders appointed in reverse, as in becoming beyond reproach after their appointment rather than being beyond reproach before, are hotbeds of devouring and vain arguments, and generally follow culture rather than Christ. That is the witness from the persona known as Dorothy Mae, but she isn't alone.

Is there some sort of way you would like to try and guide the conversation?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Nice biblical idea.
Too bad that in real life it doesn't work out.

Does anyone even care about this? When elders are up for vote in our church their professional background is mentioned first. It’s especially favorable if they have upper degrees. How long they’ve been a believer or anything of their christian activities isn’t mentioned. I don’t even recall them saying what they believe. They do a speech though so we can get an idea.

 

[wondering]

Entertaining segments of the body that don't operate properly is probably something none of us should be doing, even if we feel the need for a bit o churchiness.

It's sort of like economic bailouts. Keep going and they will not only not ever learn, but actually expect support when they knowingly do wrong.

I think we should entertain segments that are not operating properly.
Jimmy Swaggart got kicked out.
Baker got put in jail.

My own pastor...the 80's was found to be skimming from the top.
We were all so DISAPPOINTED.

We trusted him for learning, for behaving as he preached.
Didn't Jesus say to do as they (pharisees) say NOT AS THE ACT.

Whoa. I think that's pretty serious stuff.
And Priests....can we still trust our local parish priest?

No. They should be held to a very high standard.

Agreed?

 

[jaybo]

I think we should entertain segments that are not operating properly.
Jimmy Swaggart got kicked out.
Baker got put in jail.

My own pastor...the 80's was found to be skimming from the top.
We were all so DISAPPOINTED.

We trusted him for learning, for behaving as he preached.
Didn't Jesus say to do as they (pharisees) say NOT AS THE ACT.

Whoa. I think that's pretty serious stuff.
And Priests....can we still trust our local parish priest?

No. They should be held to a very high standard.

Agreed?

Yes!!! Simply because someone is a parish priest means nothing. There were many pedophile priests that were sent to New Mexico, where they continued their pedophilia. It was covered up by the local diocese. They just had to pay a $121,500,000 settlement.