bad news..... god is going to withhold the phenomenon of signs and wonder until word and spirit join

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" It got to the point of ridiculousness for me, and I had to walk away from them, as they were all talking with God, yet none of them really heard the same things whatsoever. There was in fact a different God carved out in every tent of them, showing the activity to be personal idolatry."

You have done the right thing to do .... good move !!!

I would like to say I was enlightened, but the experience was, and remains, rather painful:

2 Samuel 22:29
For thou art my lamp, O Lord: and the Lord will lighten my darkness.

 

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Yet, in this bitter personal, internal exam, there are the deep deep treasures of heaven:

Isaiah 45:3
And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

 

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And I found the "inverse principle" of the very real and present working of God, shown to my own face:

Mark 4:
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

The day I saw that this happens to ME, is the day I quit lying to myself before God in Christ.

 

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Then I saw where the "end time" message resides. I pray for the destruction of my enemy, in my own flesh.

 

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Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

 

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And I not only saw, but "experienced" the HATRED of God, towards "me." And not just that, but WHY:

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

 

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1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

 

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It was then, I experienced the POWER OF GOD, as my enemy.

And believed.

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Yes, even the BAD Words, the Words of CONDEMNATION, are directed to the enemy, the intruder upon my soul.

Now, who wants to AMEN THAT? Anyone? Are there any takers?

No, I wouldn't expect so.

 

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It was then I HEARD, really HEARD, The Words of LIFE. Where others FEAR to HEAR.

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

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You have it .... a very narrow gate to go by .... which you have chosen .... not many find it

Matthew
7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Brother Mike]

Why did that particular aspect of Johah linked as being "thee sign?" Jonah has many signs attached to his ministry that are equally miraculous, repentance being one of those signs. An entire book could be written about the various "signs" with Jonah. The minister being thrown from the ship, into the troubled water, then said water being stilled, being a massive sign, for example.



I fellowshipped with charismatics, being one myself, for many years, and everything they (and I) said and did, they (and I) thought was a "personal" sign from God in Christ, when most of the time it was nothing but our own imaginations, and various forms of 'testing' God, so we could "see" His "somethings" happen, as if God is some magic formula who must respond on our 'cue' of whatever incantations they (and I) applied to see things. It got to the point of ridiculousness for me, and I had to walk away from them, as they were all talking with God, yet none of them really heard the same things whatsoever. There was in fact a different God carved out in every tent of them, showing the activity to be personal idolatry.

Everyone had their own "formula" carving. And there was usually a new formula delivered in every service.

You don't base a belief on what someone else believes. Now if at that time you felt being around Charismatics was hindering your growth, and the Lord told you to move on, then you move on.

And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation. The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
(Luk 11:29-32)

Jesus was talking to those people at His time, saying no sign shall be given, but that of Jonah, and Jesus was raised from the dead, and many dead seen by many witness were raised with him. That was the sign given to that generation.

If your a believer today, then You fully expect signs, or God to move.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
(Mar 16:17-20)

You expect signs, because you believe what the Word says. That is not like someone who today says that God must prove to me He is real, If God was real, He would do something to get me to believe in Him. That person wants some physical sign, apart from what he Word already says. In Jesus time, they wanted him to give some sign that He was the Messiah, and sent to forgive sin. Jesus told them because they did not believe, they would be condemned, because one greater than Jonah was there.

 

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Jesus was talking to those people at His time, .

Actually He wasn't talking to 'people' but the 'evil generation' within their hearts.

 

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Actually He wasn't talking to 'people' but the 'evil generation' within their hearts.

I have no idea what that means, He said a greater one than Jonah is here to the people, so It looks like He was talking to them as it says the people were gathered together thick.

 

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I have no idea what that means, He said a greater one than Jonah is here to the people, so It looks like He was talking to them as it says the people were gathered together thick.

I know you don't. You don't accept the Word of God, shown to you, personally, in Mark 4:15. When you do, you will SEE who was in their hearts, AND your own, and will understand.

 

[JCitoL]

bad news..... god is going to withhold the phenomenon of signs and wonder until word and spirit join
A COMMENT PLEASE.....

CAN YOU SAY ME IT ????????????

on the one hand there must be miracles of the true salvation in Lord God, otherwise there would be no true effective salvation for anyone, because wasn't the fact that Jesus had for example healed people just by one word/prayer a miracle?!, so God never intended/does not intend to withhold the miracles of the true salvation, on the other hand, Jesus warned it is possible that many false prophets and false christs show great signs and wonders (Matthew 24:23-25)

Blessings

 

[Brother Mike]

I know you don't. You don't accept the Word of God, shown to you, personally, in Mark 4:15. When you do, you will SEE who was in their hearts, AND your own, and will understand.

Be careful, I have been real nice and patience, trying to see your view.

Let's just get to the chase. Do you believe expecting the Word to come to pass part of an evil generation that seeks signs, or do you mean something else.

 

[Sparkey]

But... but... but... (comes the sputtering motorboat... )

Now enters The Sparrow to this room, this holy conversation, this convocation of Love...
as expressed to HIM (the Only Worthy) and not to the lurking bird. If Robbie the Robot were around he would warn, "Intruder Warning, Intruder Warning... this one is bird-brained... take care!

And that bird enters quiet, full of peace. Filled to the brim and overflowing. That bird lays aside his peace, if needed, but it is truly his, given to him by the King of Peace (none other <<--- clicky it and see, that one click serves up 465 verses on peace, randomized and not ordered by popularity as only Mr. Google and/or his cohorts could. It's a wonder too) and not as men give, does He giveth. Not one bit...

So then, with talons flexing, enters the bird of peace... with beak sharpened for warfare, so does the tiny bird enter...but do not expect that one to fly down... Flight is holy and not for seeking prey... only for seeking pray... nothing else...

But now, having hopped down to the ground to visit my brothers... and to see if they are a thread to my babies? Let me only say this one thing.

I AM
I AM A *SIGH*
I AM A SIGH, -AND- A *SIGN*.
I AM
I AM A *WONDER* TOO.​

SparrowHawke is wonder to all who care to look, a sign and a *sigh* for those who like to wonder.
As in, "What?!? Where was the door when they let this guy in?

I thought Jesus was the ONLY DOOR and I thought He was faithful."
Thought Bubble: . o O ((Wait! What is that? Jesus 'IS' the only door? Jesus 'IS' faithful?
New Thought, springing out of the other: . o O ((Like: "He was and 'IS' and shall ever be?" )) O o .. Huh?))​

Conclusion Coming, be Warned:
Does that mean that my brother, Brother Mike and my brother smaller were let in through the Only Door, also?

Thought Bubble says: . o O ((I guess that means they are signs and wonders too!))
*sigh* What more can I say?

 

[Sparkey]

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Our desires beget! Lookie lookie... see how here:​

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James says that our fleshly desires beget too... one second... I'm fetching as I am personalizing...

Perseverance in Temptation
…But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.…​

And we are taught about the BIG THREE too... The lust of the flesh, the pride of life and the lust of the eye. Each worthy of a study of its own, but I God-Trust (faith) that you two have been there and done dun it! As have the majority of readers here, even the guests... the lurkers, the ones out there lurking and sometimes stalking secretively and making secret plans that they pretend none can hear... And have no need that I should preach or even lay an egg right here for all to see and laugh and wonder at too....

Right? A word, a single word to the wise (is sufficient). So saith the verbose one who also saith, the above quote was Quoted from James, chapter one and context. And it was probably ESV but it could be any version? It was the last version I happened upon. I don't honestly know? But I do know that it is not copyrighted, it is public domain, meaning it belongs to you and to me so there is nobody who can raise a complaint flag saying, "I've been harmed" and I will search it out upon Moderator request because the ToS implies that I should, or if it doesn't there is at least one Mod around here who thinks (maybe, I'm not privy to his/her thoughts) that I should? But they don't know that I have the dis-obey-tees (diabetes) and that I'm prone to rebellion and waving my "you can't tell me what to do" sometimes supplants His Banner Over Me, which is LVOE!​

 

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Be careful, I have been real nice and patience, trying to see your view.

Let's just get to the chase. Do you believe expecting the Word to come to pass part of an evil generation that seeks signs, or do you mean something else.

Let's cut to the chase on "end times." God in Christ has promised and IS going to destroy the devil and his messengers, which is what Revelation is largely about. The temple of believers will be "cleansed," permanently, from the workings of our adversaries.

No, I am not a "sign chaser." The Spirit of Christ lives in my heart by faith. I don't chase external signs, demanding God in Christ to "prove it" or Him. There are "other signs" the follow those who follow Christ. Our adversaries show their faces to us. Are we really looking?

Would you like condemn me or these statements, since you have warned me?

2 Thessalonians 2:
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

This "destruction" will transpire in the CHURCH members body/temples. We can easily both read and see in Rev. 2-3, the activities of Satan therein.

Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

 

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Then next matters to observe are these. What is the fulcrum, the instruments, the powers of God in Christ's said destruction of our adversaries?

Jesus warned us, thusly, that the end will be 'as' the days of Noah. We can read 'as' as not being the same, but 'as' a similitude, the language God speaks to His people with.

Here, in Isaiah, we have our similitude statement from God Himself, from His Own Mouth through the Prophet, what that flood is and consists of:

Isaiah 54
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.
9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.

All the external hoo haa and woe is me looking after "external signs" will not and can NOT EVER compare to the FLOOD that will destroy the wicked. We will not be observing any external flood.

Philippians 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Psalm 29:
9 The voice of the Lord maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in his temple doth every one speak of his glory.
10 The Lord sitteth upon the flood; yea, the Lord sitteth King for ever.
11 The Lord will give strength unto his people; the Lord will bless his people with peace.

The 'fear and trembling' is internal, as that is where the adversaries reside.

They know "their time," singular, is short.