Being "Saved," "Born Again," "Confessing Jesus" Does Not Guarantee Heaven.

[Guest]

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

 

[Narwhalist]

19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

Those who persevere will be saved because their conversion was real. Those who fall away it is because their conversion was not real. Salvation cannot be lost.

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

This scripture passage tell us that those of us who truly accepted Jesus are predestined to be conformed to His image (Jesus'). Therefore, we cannot lose our salvation.

 

[evenifigoalone]

19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

Those who persevere will be saved because their conversion was real. Those who fall away it is because their conversion was not real. Salvation cannot be lost.

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

This scripture passage tell us that those of us who truly accepted Jesus are predestined to be conformed to His image (Jesus'). Therefore, we cannot lose our salvation.

I guess that defeats my theory that you can lose salvation by choosing to stop believing pretty soundly.
What book and chapter is this from, though?

 

[farouk]

1 John 2.19 and Romans 8.29

 

[farouk]

Well, yes, only God knows.

2 Timothy 1.19

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=89910]questdriven[/MENTION] People who walk away from their faith are called apostates or false prophets. They were never born again to begin with. They just played the part well like actors in Hollywood.

 

[evenifigoalone]

[MENTION=89910]questdriven[/MENTION] People who walk away from their faith are called apostates or false prophets. They were never born again to begin with. They just played the part well like actors in Hollywood.

So it would seem according to Scripture.
There were a couple of times a while back that I can think of that I specifically wanted to walk away from the faith. I guess as long as I belong to God He won't let that happen. And He didn't, because He brought me back.

 

[Guest]

@questdriven People who walk away from their faith are called apostates or false prophets. They were never born again to begin with. They just played the part well like actors in Hollywood.

So it would seem according to Scripture.
There were a couple of times a while back that I can think of that I specifically wanted to walk away from the faith. I guess as long as I belong to God He won't let that happen. And He didn't, because He brought me back.

Yes indeed. The blood of Christ is thicker than concrete my friend. Blessings.

 

[iLOVE]

Example of 1 John 2:19 - Judas was anointed. Judas was empowered. Judas cast out Devils. Judas healed the sick. Judas preached the gospel. This is why Jesus said, "Lord, have we not cast out Devils in your name?" Jesus states, "I don't know who you are."

 

[farouk]

[MENTION=89910]questdriven[/MENTION] People who walk away from their faith are called apostates or false prophets. They were never born again to begin with. They just played the part well like actors in Hollywood.

So it would seem according to Scripture.
There were a couple of times a while back that I can think of that I specifically wanted to walk away from the faith. I guess as long as I belong to God He won't let that happen. And He didn't, because He brought me back.

Psalm 40.2-3

 

[gr8grace]

I think that this whole Idea of "looking" and "guessing" if someone is "Really" saved is very dangerous.

I think that of all the debates on this forum we are going to be SHOCKED of who we see and do not see in Heaven.

Mother T did all kinds of wonderful things for the Human race. However She claimed in her writings that Christ was not the only way to God.

We need to discern from Divine Good works and human Good works.

From what I have seen here the past few months all the "works" talked about are human good.

It is the "divine" good works that the Bible speaks of.

Again, we are going to be shocked when Pastor bill didn't make it and Jim from the local tavern did. Faith in Christ is all it takes. And if we add to that if we really are not saved we need to repent and go with Faith alone.

 

[Guest]

Example of 1 John 2:19 - Judas was anointed. Judas was empowered. Judas cast out Devils. Judas healed the sick. Judas preached the gospel. This is why Jesus said, "Lord, have we not cast out Devils in your name?" Jesus states, "I don't know who you are."

I'm confused, please explain more. Wasn't Judas's faith always in question, whether he was truly born again or not.

 

[Guest]

Mother T did all kinds of wonderful things for the Human race. However She claimed in her writings that Christ was not the only way to God.

That's obviously false. What other way is there, yoga? Why would she say that.

 

[gr8grace]

Mother T did all kinds of wonderful things for the Human race. However She claimed in her writings that Christ was not the only way to God.

That's obviously false. What other way is there, yoga? Why would she say that.

She most likely was saved but the end of her life was in "human" good works. She Started to get the attention of Buddhists and Muslims. She Catered to their beliefs.

 

[JoReba]

Jesus clearly states in Matthew Ch. 7 that only those who persevere "Unto the end" will inherit God's Kingdom. Being saved, born again, being washed in The Blood, confessing Jesus' Name, being filled in The Spirit, "asking Jesus into our heart," walking in The Light, and fellowshipping with Jesus are not the means to Eternal Life in The Kingdom. All of these things can be reversed by one's own choices and own actions.

Jesus clearly said, "Narrow is the gate and difficult is it to find," and "Few will enter in." Deal with reality rather than with chattly little church ideas.

False, sorry.

To say that the blood of Christ is insufficient to save, is seriously wrong.

(What can happen is for people to make false professions that they have supposedly been cleansed by His blood.)

The promise at the end of Romans 8.38-39 is all because of the effectiveness of His Work at the Cross and His faithfulness. It's not because of whether our efforts are supposedly 'enough'. Ephesians 2.9

There is no Biblically accurate need to express being "sorry" for your apparent inability to accurately understand what this Thread is about. As well, neither Jesus nor The Apostles ever said, "Sorry." Lol.

Being cleansed and forgiven does not preclude becoming willfully dirty and sinful again.

I'll by God's grace concentrate on Scripture's promises to the believer in the Lord Jesus.

It seems that you're teaching that the precious blood of Christ (1 Peter 1.19) is insufficient to cleanse, and that He Himself cannot preserve. This seemingly being the case, we are apparently in doctrinal disagreement.

Yes, Any chatty Believer can easily agree you should concentrate upon Scripture, and also concentrate on ignoring imaginary notions not stated in the Text of Scripture.

Lol. Did you know just because a person cites their personal interest in "God's Grace" that not all of their ideologies about Scripture are correct? Try harder next time to not immediately refer to yourself when you attemp to "explain" salvation. Okay?

 

[JoReba]

Yes, I do agree you apparently can only comprehend what you "sort of think people say." Lol.

Now it becomes your duty to clarify yourself.
You made a bold statement.

Yes, I agree you think it important for pepple to "clarify themselves" rather than focusing upon the Word of God. Lol.

BTW, how have you been appointed to decide who is obligated to speak anything?

This is rich. Lol.

 

[JoReba]

Do I need a note from your mothers that says you have read the Terms of Service for this site? Moderator

http://www.christianforums.net/announcement.php?f=64&a=6 take a minute or 2 please pay attention to this part twice:
2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself. Not necessarily directed at the last poster.


Not necessarily directed to the last poster..........

Should others in here speak of my mother . . . ?

 

[JoReba]

This seems to be a popular topic lately. I can think of at least five threads within the past few weeks, I think, if not more.

I won't delve into it, because I'm not equipped for proper debate. (Although this is thc.f.e section for debate.) But I will say that I do think that if someone consciously stops believing in Jesus, then it's possible that that could be grounds for losing salvation. That's the only case I'd think that's possible, though.

One of the miracles of the Gospel of God's Kingdom, which is what Jesus constantly preached and told His Apostles to preach about, is that the facts of Scripture can be endlessly repeated in many ways as a pleasing service to The Lord, without any such a speaker getting sent to Hell for doing so. Lol. Praise God for His plans for revealing and establishing His Kingdom apart from the intuitive notions of chatty people.

Amen, Praise The Father. (P.S. Jesus never commanded anyone to praise Him.)

 

[JoReba]

Just a general admonishment to those who may be new to posting on forums all together.

What happens when a new member joins? Well, frankly, people make up their minds about them. This might not be the way that it's supposed to be but it is the way it goes. I would think that those who post on a public forum would keep this firm fact in mind and would seek to establish themselves before setting about to alienate others?

Again, this commercial admonishment brought no extra charge with the standard disclaimer that means, "Don't take it personal."

Cordially,
~Sparrow

Share with us the rules about how one in here would "establish themself" as you spoke of doing. Remember, no Scripture teaches such a thing being needed within any venue of public discourse outside of a Church gathering undertaken to provide authoritative teaching.

Lol.

 

[JoReba]

Jesus clearly states in Matthew Ch. 7 that only those who persevere "Unto the end" will inherit God's Kingdom. Being saved, born again, being washed in The Blood, confessing Jesus' Name, being filled in The Spirit, "asking Jesus into our heart," walking in The Light, and fellowshipping with Jesus are not the means to Eternal Life in The Kingdom. All of these things can be reversed by one's own choices and own actions.

Jesus clearly said, "Narrow is the gate and difficult is it to find," and "Few will enter in." Deal with reality rather than with chattly little church ideas.

Try to remember that although nothing and nobody can seperate us from the Love of Christ, we can each seperate ourselves by not "Enduring to the end."

Yet another attack on the Grace,integrity,character and nature of our lord and Savior.

We are in the Last days that is why we hear so much non-Christian talk on a Christian forum.

Matt 7:6 fits this thread well.

6"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

A spiritually discerning person is not suppose to cast their pearls(True Doctrine) and Holy things(meat of the word) to the dogs and swine. The Dogs and swine are legalistic, self righteous unbelievers and BELIEVERS.

Sound doctrine will get attacked and lied about with these immature christians and unbelievers. So one needs to stick to the elementary principles of the word.(Grace and Faith)

Acts 16:31, John 3:16, John 3:18 Are verses for the individual immature Christian to KNOW and BELIEVE. then one goes on to the meat of the word.

I would suggest that one studies the above three verses and BELIEVE them.

Pearls and holy things still get brought out in this venue though, some like to see that faith alone in Christ alone is the only way to our salvation and we are eternally secure. But these are elementary Principles to Gods word.

I am A sinner and Christ saved me when I believed in Him for salvation. That Gate is narrow isn't it? And very hard for the majority of people.

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