BELIEVE.....God's Prophets !

[Jay T]

So far, the Christian world has ignored.......
Matthew 24:37 "But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be".

This predicts that God's last day prophet(s)....will be rejected, just as Noah was in his day.......just before Jesus Christ, comes again.

Which brings up another Bible verse, the Christian world, wants to ignore......
'satan, which deceives the whole world', (Revelation 12:9).

This fits in perfectly with Matthew 24:37-39.....as the vast majority of the world in Noah's time, was deceived, into thinking, that God would not destroy people, for their sins.

To be a prophet of God's, is a terrible ordeal...not to be desired by any sane person.
Because it involves persecution, in its many varied forms.

Most of God's prophets were killed, as they sought to deliver God's words of warning......
Matthew 23:29 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (RELIGIOUS LEADERS), hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets".


Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate".



Moses was another Prophet of God's, that suffered greatly....at the hands of the people of God.
Everytime, any little inconvenience occurred, Moses was blamed for it....by the people.

The Prophet, that is yet to come......to announce the coming of Jesus Christ....will be treated the same, as the other Prophet, Noah !
It is predicted to happen.
WHY ?

Because that prophet (Just like Elijah) will proclaim a message that will be a reproof to the Christian world, telling them to drop all of their false doctrines, and obey 'ALL' of God's commandments.....
1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].


BUT....the answer will be.....
4:1 And in that day seven women (churches) shall take hold of one man(Jesus Christ), saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

The Christian world, wants to be called 'Christian', but also wants to do whatever they want to, despite what God says !

This is the condition the Christian world is in, at the moment !

3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

 

[jgredline]

Does this include ellen g white?

 

[Jay T]

Does this include ellen g white?

ONLY IF.....you find her writings are in harmony with every other prophet of God's.

IF a person rejects one messenger of God, they will reject other messengers as well....that is a fact !

It has been my experience that those who reject E. White....ALSO reject KEY Bible verses !
A FACT....which I can prove, at any time.

E. White's writings are patterned after the way the Bible is written, in other words: 28:10 "For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
28:12 To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little..."

 

[Oscar3]

ONLY IF.....you find her writings are in harmony with every other prophet of God's.

IF a person rejects one messenger of God, they will reject other messengers as well....that is a fact !

It has been my experience that those who reject E. White....ALSO reject KEY Bible verses !
A FACT....which I can prove, at any time.

E. White's writings are patterned after the way the Bible is written, in other words: 28:10 "For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
28:12 To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little..."

Jay T
I for one would love to see you prove it. So lets hear or should I say read it.

 

[Jay T]

Jay T
I for one would love to see you prove it. So lets hear or should I say read it.

Here is just one, from the prophet Ezekiel, from the words of Christ HIMSELF.....which the modern Christian world rejects, or ignores......
20:20 "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".

 

[Solo]

Here is just one, from the prophet Ezekiel, from the words of Christ HIMSELF.....which the modern Christian world rejects, or ignores......
20:20 "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".

I showed where this verse of scripture in Ezekiel 20:20 is given by God to the elders who enquired of the LORD through Ezekiel. The commands that God gave them to hallow His sabbaths are part of a three-fold command. God told the Israelites after being led out of Egypt to keep God's statutes, keep His judgments, and to hallow His sabbaths. God told the children of the Israelites the same thing. Both parties refused to obey God, and God then told Ezekiel to tell the elders of the Israelites to do the same thing. None were able. God did not command the gentile nations to do these things. God did not tell Noah to do these things. You have taken everything you post concerning the Word of God out of context to fit into the satanic lies of your false teachings. I answered your interpretation of Ezekiel 20:20 in another thread. Let me repost it here for the forum's understanding:

No, my friend, it is you who are being misled by your wrong interpretations.

OK....what is wrong with this Bible verse .....

20:20 "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".[/color]

I offer no interpretation....as the Bible verse interprets itself !

Since you offer no interpretation, and the Bible verse interprets itself, let us see where you have misunderstood the Holy Spirit of God who wishes to teach you something.

You continually quote Ezekiel 20:20 out of context to fit your false doctrine. Let us look at what the context of this Scripture is.

I would prefer to post the entire 20th Chapter of Ezekiel, but due to length constraints I will post the important portions that will place verse 20 in its proper context.

20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

First, who is the LORD God speaking to in this verse of scripture that hallowing His sabbaths will be a sign between Him and someone. In verse 1 Ezekiel gives the date of the time when certain elders of Israel came to enquire of the LORD, and the word of the LORD came unto Ezekiel with information to pass onto them, the elders of Israel. The LORD God goes on to give the elders of Israel a history lesson of the abominations of their fathers. He explains in verse 6 that he brought them forth out of Egypt into the land flowing with milk and honey; the glory of all lands.
The LORD God goes on in verses 7-10 that he commanded the Israelites whom He delivered out of Egypt to cast away the abominations of their eyes, and not to defile themselves with the idols of Egypt. They rebelled against the LORD and did not obey Him. The LORD God brought them into the wilderness, where He gave them His statutes, showed them His judgments, and He also gave them His sabbaths, to be a sign between Him and the Israelites in the Wilderness (verse 11-12). The house of Israel rebelled against the LORD God in the wilderness, and did not walk in His statutes, they despised His judgments, and they polluted His sabbaths. Instead of pouring His fury out upon the house of Israel in the wilderness and consuming them, the LORD God allowed them to continue in the wilderness but would not bring them into the land flowing with milk and honey (verses 13-17).

Unto the children of the house of Israel in the wilderness, the LORD God said for them to walk in His statutes, keep His judgments and do them, and hallow His sabbaths for they would be a sign between Him and the children of the house of Israel (verses 18-20). The children of the house of Israel also rebelled against the LORD God, and they did not keep His statutes, live in accordance with His judgments, and did not hallow His sabbaths. (verses 21-26)

The LORD God was speaking to Ezekiel telling him to tell the elders of Israel those things which he had spoken to their fathers who rebelled against Him. The LORD God told the fathers of the elders of Israel to keep His statutes, live the judgments of God, and to hallow the sabbaths. The LORD God is not telling those of the NEW COVENANT to hallow the sabbaths, he is telling those of the OLD COVENANT to hallow the sabbaths. The Seventh-day Adventists should hallow every day unto God, not just the sabbath days that He gave the house of Israel to keep.

We could go on saying this on each post, but to what end?

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee.....seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God...."
My job....is to present the Law of God as Scripture says......
Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law".

Once again, the LORD God is speaking to the children of Israel in Hosea 4:6.
1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. 2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood. 3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away. 4 Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest. 5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother. 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. Hosea 4:1-6
And let us see what Paul's position is as a former pharasee and Hebrew of the tribe of Benjamin. Taking the Romans 3:31 Scripture in context reveals that Paul is speaking to the matter that all the world is guilty of not being justified against the law of God. No flesh will be justified in God's sight by the works of the law (verses 19-20). Instead the righteousness of God without the law is manifested; the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all that believe. Paul states that there is no difference for everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God; therefore believers are justified FREELY by HIS GRACE through the REDEMPTION that is in CHRIST JESUS (verses 23-26).

Where is the boasting that one is right by obeying the law, or by performing various works? Boasting is excluded. By what law are believers justified? The law of works? NO, the law of FAITH (verse 27).

What is the conclusion then?
"THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW."(verse 28)

Is the LORD God the God of the Jews who follow the law only? No. The LORD God is also the God of the Gentile believers who are under grace. Is the law void through faith? NO The law is established by the spiritual obedience of the law as Jesus taught in the sermon on the mount. Adultery includes looking at a woman with lust in ones heart. Being angry with one's brother without cause is the same as breaking the commandment that thou shalt not murder. The sabbath day is now holy every day of the week as God Almighty dwell within each believer.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:19-31

Set forth the scriptures that are the bases for your interpretation. The answers must come from them alone. Not quotations from some commentary.

Your wish, is my command !

The GREAT GOSPEL COMMISION........

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you..."

Jesus commanded the keeping of two commandments, the greatest is to love the LORD God with all of your heart, mind, soul, and with all of your strength. (The SDA bunch thinks that the greatest commandment is keeping the sabbath day holy with their interpretation of what holy is).
The second commandment is to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Upon these two commandments, all of the others hinge. Don't just keep one day out of the week holy; keep all seven of them holy as the Holy Spirit dwells within each believer.

 

[Oscar3]

Jay T
I noticed that you are no longer a moderator.
What happened?

 

[Jay T]

Jay T
I noticed that you are no longer a moderator.
What happened?

As you know I'm an SDA, and therefore a believer in the Bible truth 100%.
My first loyalty is to God, and to the Bible, as the ONLY source of truth.

And apparently, to remain a modator on this forum site, one must be a supporter of that statement of beliefs, even if it is against what the Bible teaches.

I've been a mod for several years now, and just recently there has been an amendment (2006), which is opposed to what the Bible teaches.

It is a Catholic doctrine, and I will NOT accept it !

Now, I want to clarify right here, that Logan's original statement of beliefs, I believe in 100%......it is the amendment, I will NOT subscribe to, because it is in error !

 

[Solo]

As you know I'm an SDA, and therefore a believer in the Bible truth 100%.
My first loyalty is to God, and to the Bible, as the ONLY source of truth.

And apparently, to remain a modator on this forum site, one must be a supporter of that statement of beliefs, even if it is against what the Bible teaches.

I've been a mod for several years now, and just recently there has been an amendment (2006), which is opposed to what the Bible teaches.

It is a Catholic doctrine, and I will NOT accept it !

Now, I want to clarify right here, that Logan's original statement of beliefs, I believe in 100%......it is the amendment, I will NOT subscribe to, because it is in error !

Jay T's Personal Opinion, Not Fact! It is amazing how deluded one can be when one follows a false teacher like Ellen G. White instead of following Jesus Christ.

 

[SputnikBoy]

As you know I'm an SDA, and therefore a believer in the Bible truth 100%.
My first loyalty is to God, and to the Bible, as the ONLY source of truth.

And apparently, to remain a modator on this forum site, one must be a supporter of that statement of beliefs, even if it is against what the Bible teaches.

I've been a mod for several years now, and just recently there has been an amendment (2006), which is opposed to what the Bible teaches.

It is a Catholic doctrine, and I will NOT accept it !

Now, I want to clarify right here, that Logan's original statement of beliefs, I believe in 100%......it is the amendment, I will NOT subscribe to, because it is in error !

Good for you, Jay T, that you stand firmly on your convictions. Even if you're wrong (and I don't believe that you are in this instance) no one could ever accuse you of being a wishy-washy Christian.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Jay T's Personal Opinion, Not Fact! It is amazing how deluded one can be when one follows a false teacher like Ellen G. White instead of following Jesus Christ.

I don't think the amendment that Jay T refers to has anything to do with Ellen White, Solo. You're throwing out red herrings yet again!

 

[Solo]

I don't think the amendment that Jay T refers to has anything to do with Ellen White, Solo. You're throwing out red herrings yet again!

Yes it does. It has kept Jay T from agreeing with the tenents of the Christian faith for which this forum stands firm. Ellen G. White has teachings against the Word of God which place her teachings as false, and thus against the statement of faith of this forum. Simple.

 

[Jay T]

I don't think the amendment that Jay T refers to has anything to do with Ellen White, Solo. You're throwing out red herrings yet again!

You waste your time on Solo, sputnik.
Please, move on to people that will believe in what the Bible says.....they are our priority.

We are not to waste time on those who reject what the Bible plainly teaches....as the example of Jesus Christ showed, when HE moved from one town to another.
He did not stay where HE was not wanted.
When HE was rejected in one town, HE moved to another.

The only reason I have answered Solo's comments, was to show other people who were reading, what the Bible really says.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Whether so-called prophets be past, present or future, I gauge them by foundational truths in the bible.

As for the SDA's while I respect the sabbath principle, I would have a hard time dealing with the 1000 years as "reigning in heaven" or going there for 1000 years to be with Christ, while this earth is judged or whatever. I have differing eschatology than they do.

It seems this day in age, many professing Christians either believe Christ will not return (and "spiritualize" the end-time prophecies as being fulfilled, or fulfilled in an abstract manner) OR it seems they have Christ wisking people away from this corrupt world to go "out there" somewhere.

In other words, anything to keep God "out there" and away from this world. In fact, this world has an integral tie with heaven ("Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven"). The whole point of the entire bible story is for God to have his will with this world again after Adam's transgression, not to escape the world and leave it to its own devices and/or destruction.

Basically, I'm pre-trib rapture guy, then 7-years trib, then the return of Jesus Christ to gather his elect (Israel) and judge the nations (Matt 24) and finally the 1000 year reign---- this will be Christ's fulfillment to ruling on the Davidic throne (Luke 1:32). Reigning in heaven does not cut it since the Davidic throne is an earthly one paralleling that in heaven.

There will be a final rebelling according to Revelation, and the final judgement and conflagration resulting in a new heaven and NEW EARTH. So.... one can conclude the earth is important.

 

[Solo]

You waste your time on Solo, sputnik.
Please, move on to people that will believe in what the Bible says.....they are our priority.

We are not to waste time on those who reject what the Bible plainly teaches....as the example of Jesus Christ showed, when HE moved from one town to another.
He did not stay where HE was not wanted.
When HE was rejected in one town, HE moved to another.

The only reason I have answered Solo's comments, was to show other people who were reading, what the Bible really says.

This is the first thing that I agree with you on Jay T. You are wasting your time on getting me to believe the false teachings of the Seventh-Day Adventists and Ellen G. White. The false teachings of the Seventh-Day Adventists purports to be Biblical but that too is a lie.
If the Seventh Day Adventists could open their eyes to the lies of Ellen G. White, repent from their idolatry to her, and believe in the Work of Jesus Christ following him, they would no longer be an organization of false teaching. Until they do, they will not hook me.

 

[AVBunyan]

Here is just one, from the prophet Ezekiel, from the words of Christ HIMSELF.....which the modern Christian world rejects, or ignores......
20:20 "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".

1. Signs are for the Jew - 1 Cor 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, :o
2. The "you" in "between me and you" is Israel. :o

Has nothing to do with the body of Christ. :o
Don't you love the simplicity of the scriptures when they are rightly divided.

So folks - cast off the false doctrine of taking that which was doctrinally meant for Israel and seeking to apply it doctrinally to the body of Christ today.

The above misapplication of scripture accounts for 50% of all false teachings today - stealing that which is meant for Israel and applying it to the body of Christ.

 

[Jay T]

This is the first thing that I agree with you on Jay T. You are wasting your time on getting me to believe the false teachings of the Seventh-Day Adventists and Ellen G. White. The false teachings of the Seventh-Day Adventists purports to be Biblical but that too is a lie.
If the Seventh Day Adventists could open their eyes to the lies of Ellen G. White, repent from their idolatry to her, and believe in the Work of Jesus Christ following him, they would no longer be an organization of false teaching. Until they do, they will not hook me.

Solo, You reject E. White because she echos the words of Bible writers, as well as Jesus Christ HIMSELF.

As I've said before, NO ONE can reject one of God's messengers, without rejecting others.
A fact I can prove !!!

 

[Solo]

Solo, You reject E. White because she echos the words of Bible writers, as well as Jesus Christ HIMSELF.

As I've said before, NO ONE can reject one of God's messengers, without rejecting others.
A fact I can prove !!!

The Seventh Day Adventists are a cult full of false teachings. Here are a few:

• The Heavenly Sanctuary: The Millerite prophesy of the coming of Jesus in 1844 was not an earthly occurrence but a heavenly occurrence.[/*:m:6331c]
• The Investigative Judgment and Annihilationism: God began sending the truth to Ellen G. White and one doctrine after another changed. Jesus began to investigate the records to validate the salvation of professed believers, and the soul must not be immortal; therefore at death the soul ceases to exist.[/*:m:6331c]
• The Sabbath: After hearing about the Sabbath by a Seventh Day Baptist, Ellen G. White confirmed the new "truth" with visions. At this point the Seventh Day Adventists began their trek of observing the seventh day sabbath.[/*:m:6331c]
• The Spirit of Prophesy: The false prophesy determining that the SDA are the remnant church mentioned in Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 19:10. All churches that do not agree with them and Ellen G. White's messages are "fallen Babylon".[/*:m:6331c]
• Prophesy: Ellen G. White's visions declared that the Roman Catholic Church was the little horn of Daniel and the Babylonian "beast" of Revelation. Other Sunday churches were declared to be the daughters of fallen Babylon. The "two witnesses" that were killed occured in France after the Roman Catholic church killed the "Old and New Testaments."[/*:m:6331c]
• Truth being Taught: The Seventh Day Adventist church will be the instrument that God uses in reviving the Old and New Testaments.(changing the truth of the Old and New Testments into lies)[/*:m:6331c]
• The Great Controversy: God and Satan are locked in a "great controversy." Satan has charged God with unrighteousness because His Law cannot be obeyed. God will prove that He is righteous by demonstrating that 144,000 Seventh Day Adventists will stand before Him without a mediator immediately before Jesus returns. Is it not interesting that Jesus says that it is finished as soon as he paid the price for all sin after fulfilling the law?[/*:m:6331c]
• The Last Days: Jesus will continue to investigate the records to see who is holy enough to be resurrected, and while he is doing so, he will stop mediating as a priest and will be in the process of returning. Meanwhile, the United States, the Roman Catholic church, and the apostate Protestants will set a date for the Seventh Day Adventists to be put to death. At the last moment, Jesus will return, destroy all non-SDA who worship on Sunday, and take the remnant church to heaven. [/*:m:6331c]
• The Millennium: The earth will lie desolate for 1000 years while resting in its sabbath after which all of the wicked dead will be re-created for resurrection and then judged before finally being cast into the lake of fire to be burned out of existence.[/*:m:6331c]

AND THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS WILL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER

 

[Jay T]

• The Heavenly Sanctuary: The Millerite prophesy of the coming of Jesus in 1844 was not an earthly occurrence but a heavenly occurrence.

• Just remember that the earthly sanctuary was patterned after the Heavenly sanctuary.......
  Exodus 25:8 "And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
  25:9 According to all that I show thee, [after] the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make [it]".
  
  Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
  8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
  8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore [it is] of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
  8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
  8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.
  
  
  

  [*]The Investigative Judgment and Annihilationism: God began sending the truth to Ellen G. White and one doctrine after another changed. Jesus began to investigate the records to validate the salvation of professed believers, and the soul must not be immortal; therefore at death the soul ceases to exist.

  You mean you never read where God says: Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die".
  
  That does not sound like an immortal soul to me, as the word, 'Immortality' means, 'not subject to death'.
  

  [*]The Sabbath: After hearing about the Sabbath by a Seventh Day Baptist, Ellen G. White confirmed the new "truth" with visions. At this point the Seventh Day Adventists began their trek of observing the seventh day sabbath.

  Yes, the Lord, Jesus Christ told her that it was the truth as found in the Bible ( 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.) ......after all, the SDA church is described by God, as those who keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus Christ (Revelation 14:12).
  

  [*]The Spirit of Prophesy: The false prophesy determining that the SDA are the remnant church mentioned in (Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 19:10). All churches that do not agree with them and Ellen G. White's messages are "fallen Babylon".

  The SDA church is to teach the Great Gospel commission: Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
  28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
  28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you..."
  AND.....that is exactly what they teach, the very words of God.
  
  

  [*]Prophesy: Ellen G. White's visions declared that the Roman Catholic Church was the little horn of Daniel and the Babylonian "beast" of Revelation.

  Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms (a religious power plus a civil power), and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
  (speaking of the RCC rule over the world during the dark ages)
  7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
  7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High(Pope claims to be God on earth = Lord God, the Pope), and shall wear out the saints of the most High (Killing some 50-250 million Christian during the dark ages), and think to change times and lawsChanging God's 4th commandments to Sunday worship services) and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (Bible prophecy of their reign of 1260 years).
  
  
  
  

  [*]Truth being Taught: The Seventh Day Adventist church will be the instrument that God uses in reviving the Old and New Testaments.

  Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
  
• The Great Controversy: God and Satan are locked in a "great controversy." Satan has charged God with unrighteousness because His Law cannot be obeyed. [/quote] Yet, Jesus Christ, as God, says that the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17) 'CAN' be obeyed (John 14:15.....John 15:10......1 John 2:2-6.....ect....ect....ect.....ect....)
  

  God will prove that He is righteous by demonstrating that 144,000 Seventh Day Adventists will stand before Him without a mediator immediately before Jesus returns.

  Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
  14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
  

  Is it not interesting that Jesus says that it is finished as soon as he paid the price for all sin after fulfilling the law?

  #1. mistatement.....Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
  
  #2.) Mistatement......Was everything finished ?
  Then why does satan and sin still go on...and on...and on ?
  
  Why is the Mark of the Beast scenerio, to be played out in the future if, everything is finished ?
  

  [*]The Last Days: Jesus will continue to investigate the records to see who is holy enough to be resurrected, and while he is doing so, he will stop mediating as a priest and will be in the process of returning. Meanwhile, the United States, the Roman Catholic church, and the apostate Protestants will set a date for the Seventh Day Adventists to be put to death. At the last moment, Jesus will return, destroy all non-SDA who worship on Sunday, and take the remnant church to heaven.

  Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
  24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
  24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[Jay T]

Basically, I'm pre-trib rapture guy, then 7-years trib, then the return of Jesus Christ .

One thing I would like to point out........
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
What happened to those who were not saved by getting into the Ark ?

They were destroyed were they not ?

OK then, if Christ's 2nd coming is to like the time of Noah's flood, what makes you think that there will be any 7 years ...AFTER ....Christ returns ?

Maybe you ought to read this.....
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,

2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.