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golfjack said:
Most Prophets will not call themselves a Prophet, but just like Prophets of old, they will be scorned and frowned upon. I believe Oral Roberts is a Prophet. I believe The late Kenneth Hagin was a Prophet because most of his prophesies have come to past. Of course, they can miss God at times, but if they are attentive to the Word and pray much, one can discern what they are saying to the church. You still haven't answered my question.
May God bless, Golfjack
A false prophet perhaps
ORAL ROBERTS' FALSE PROPHECIES
Media Spotlight has documented a long list of Oral Roberts' claims in a special report from which we quote.
1960: Roberts claimed that God had told him to make His healing power known throughout the earth. This report appeared in Charisma magazine in May 1987: "In 1960, Roberts believed God spoke to his heart and said:
`Raise up your students to hear My Voice, to go where My light is dim, where My voice and My healing power is not known. To go even to uttermost bounds of the earth. Their work will exceed yours. And in this, I am well pleased."
Media Spotlight says that to date, none of Roberts' students' work has exceeded his, at least as far as his publicity has revealed.
1977: Roberts said he had received a vision from God telling him to build the City of Faith. He later claimed to have seen a 900- foot-tall Jesus who told him that the vision would soon be realized and that the hospital would be a success. The City of Faith opened in 1981.
1983: Roberts announced that Jesus had appeared to him in person and commissioned him to find a cure for cancer (Time, July 4, 1983).
Media Spotlight says there has been no cure for cancer found at the Oral Roberts University or anywhere else.
1986: Roberts said God had told him, "I want you to use the ORU medical school to put My medical presence in the earth. I want you to get this going in one year or I will call you home. It will cost $8 million and I want you to believe you can raise it." (Abundant Life, Jan./Feb. 1987)
January 1987: Roberts said God had told him he had not sent out any medical missionaries. In order for him to do that, he had to raise $8 million by March 1 or God would take him home. Roberts said the money would be used to provide full scholarships for medical missionaries who would be sent to Third World countries. He made the appeal in his TV program "Expect a Miracle" of January 4, 1987.
He said $3.5 million had been raised and all he needed was $4.5 million before March 1 that year.
April 1, 1987: Roberts announced that he had raised $9.1 million--$1.1 million more than needed. Of the money raised, $1.3 million was given by a dog track owner [which, like horse racing, is a gambling center], Jerry Collins.
November 1987: Roberts announced that the City of Faith medical clinic will close in three months.
January 1988: Roberts canceled the university's free medical tuition program despite his claim that God had told him to make the medical school a world outreach program.
March 1988: The medical scholarship fund went bankrupt. Students were required to repay scholarship funds at 18 percent annual interest if they transferred to another school rather than stay at ORU medical school and start paying the high tuition.
September 1989: Roberts decided to close the medical school and the City of Faith hospital to pay off debts.
The Editor of Watch! makes these important comments: "This list of claims and promises is a very serious matter indeed. Several questions beg to be asked: Is the `900-foot-Jesus' a lying, seducing, evil spirit? If it was really Jesus, why did He not fulfill His promises? Why did not God take Roberts home when he failed to raise the money before March 1? Or was it another of Roberts' false pretenses to raise money? What happened to all the money that was raised? Will it be returned to those who gave in sincerity?
"More importantly, several doctrinal issues are at stake. For example, is there any truth in the charismatic claims of continuing visions, revelations, and prophecies? We believe the saga of Oral Roberts and his City of Faith puts the whole charismatic movement in its proper perspective--that there are many false prophets within."
"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:20-22
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/oralrobertsfalse.htm
My comments regarding Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin are based on what they have said in comparison with the Scripture. If what Kenneth Copeland says is true, it must be found in the Scripture, but in relation to the following claims by Kenneth Copeland, the Scripture denies what he says:
1. That God created Adam and Eve, not as a likeness of Himself, but as literal gods over this earth who were identical reproductions of God Himself.
2. That he, Kenneth Copeland, is a "little god" on the same level as Adam and Eve, who he defines as the same as the Creator-God of the Bible.
3. That he and every other Christian have the same creative ability as did God, who created everything that is.
4. That he, Kenneth Copeland, as a "born-again man" could have accomplished the redemption of humanity by his death on the cross, the same as Jesus Christ.
5. That there are "laws" superior to God and which God must follow; one of those laws being the law of faith.
6. That God created the universe by faith.
7. That Satan has greater authority than God over this earth.
8. That God is "the greatest failure in the Bible."
9. That God had to develop a plan to recover the earth based on a deception (a lie), so that Satan would not find out. (So, God is a liar and a deceiver in Kenneth Copeland's theology.)
10. That Jesus Christ never claimed to be God. (He says that Jesus Christ gave him that information during a personal encounter and conversation.)
11. That Jesus died spiritually while in hell. (So, The resurrection was not really a resurrection, but a recreation of Jesus Christ from the mind of God. Since the spirit of Jesus Christ died (went out of existence) while He was in hell, then God could only recreate and not resurrect that which did not any longer exist.)
Kenneth Copeland does not need me to make him look bad, because his own words do the job very well. How can I say anything positive in relation to Kenneth Copeland's theology, when it is heretical to the very core? There is virtually no biblical doctrine that has not been changed by Kenneth Copeland into something other than what the Bible teaches.
Kenneth Copeland worships a god who is himself and prays to himself as well:
"'Pray to yourself, because I'm in your self and you're in My self. We are one Spirit,' saith the Lord,"
Kenneth Copeland, Believer's Voice of Victory, February, 1987, p. 9.
(Quoting Jesus Christ in a revelation he claimed to have received.)
See the real words of Jesus Christ:
"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you,"
Matthew 6:6 (NAS).
He teaches a Jesus Christ who was not the eternally existing Son of God, but came into existence only at the incarnation, cf. John 1:1.
He teaches that he is the same as, and is qualified to have accomplished the atonement in place of Jesus Christ, because he erroneously teaches that Jesus Christ was a "born-again" man, but the Scripture says that Jesus Christ was "Emmanuel", "God with us". in Matthew 1:23. Jesus Christ had no requirement to be born-again, since he had no sin. Jesus Christ was the sinless God of the universe, so, that is why He was qualified as the Redeemer. So, Kenneth Copeland corrupts that reality by claiming that he and all believers are "little gods", just like Adam and Eve, so he or any other "born-again man" could have accomplished the incarnation, and in the process introduces polytheism into the Christian message, and denies the direct words of God that there are no other gods, Isaiah 44:8; 46:9.
He denies that Jesus Christ claimed to be God and, therefore, denies that Jesus Christ is God incarnate by which he denies the Scripture, Isaiah 9:6, John 1:1. It was the Lord God Himself who gave Jesus His name and declared the reality of who He was, "Emmanuel - God with us," Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23.
He teaches a God who is crippled by laws and forces that are beyond His control, faith being greater than His power, words of human beings controlling His actions and Satan having greater control over the earth than He, cf. Job 42:11. So, again, Kenneth Copeland denies the Scriptures that state there are no other Gods, Isaiah 44:8; 45:1-25; 46:9-11; Matthew 4:10.
He claims God used faith to create the universe, but can find no verse in the entire Bible to support his claim. God is the source of faith and the objects of faith; He is not subject to faith. God gives laws; He is not subject to laws because he is the law. There is nothing greater or more powerful than God, whether it be any being or any force or any law, cf. Jeremiah 10:12-16; 51:15-16; Ephesians 1:19-23; Hebrews 1:3; 2:14.
He teaches [that] Satan has more control over this earth than God, again, a teaching that is denied by the Scripture, cf. Zechariah 6:5; Psalm 24:1; Psalm 47:1-9; 115:3; 35:6; Daniel 4:35.
He teaches that Jesus Christ died spiritually in hell, but the Scripture says that He died on the cross by which the atonement was accomplished, cf. John 19:30. The Scripture says that Jesus Christ committed His Spirit into the hands of God, not the hands of Satan, Luke 23:46. He preached to the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19-20. There is no verse in the entire Bible that says Jesus Christ died spiritually in hell or that He was tortured by Satan or any demon in hell.
I have always believed that the definition of a false prophet was a person who prophesies falsely. Is that not correct? Or do you have some other definition? So, when Kenneth Copeland prophesies falsely, that means he is a true prophet or a false prophet?
"And there are going to be multiplied millions upon millions, there's going to be close to a billion people that have been trapped in that religion, that over the next few months are gonna to come into the kingdom of God. That's gonna happen, you watch and see what I'm telling you. Because it's been... I'm telling you, Satan's fat is in the fire, he pushed it over the line, and God has moved, and for over a hundred years the United States has been an instrument of judgment in the hand of God. That's one of the reasons we're blessed, amen? I'd like to get in there and walk around a while, but I don't have the time, but I can tell you this, that thing has come to an end, it's over. I'm talking about Islam and every, all that that stands for. That's over with. Now, God is making His move."
Kenneth Copeland, Word of Life Christian Center, Honolulu, Hawaii
Dedication Celebration Service, Evening, December 2, 2001.
It has now been over [37] months, not just a "few". So, where does that leave Kenneth Copeland as a prophet? How many false prophesies does it require for a person to be a false prophet?
In relation to Kenneth Hagin, he claimed that he received his teaching, not from any man, but from God. yet, he plagiarized the direct words of E.W. Kenyon virtually word-for-word. So, he was teaching what he claimed were the revelatory words of God given directly to him, when they were the words of E.W. Kenyon. He claimed that God said what He did not, and, in the process, made God to be a liar.
Did Kenneth Hagin ever apologize to God for placing Him in the position of a liar and did he admit to his plagiarism and apologize to his followers for claiming that god said to him what He did not?
I can only refer your to Deuteronomy 18:20-22. The Scripture is the judge.
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Gary A. Hand
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