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Biblical prophecy claims the world will end on Sept. 23, Christian numerologists claim

ezra

ezra

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well the prophecy gurus are at it again even perry stone


http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/na...-end-on-sept-23-christian-numerologists-claim


i realize this is not as interesting as arguing / debating over water regeneration or is the trinity important to doctrine .. i do not buy into this at all... but time is getting shorter we place our eyes on Israel while n.k is just dumb enough to try to nuke. it is time to seek the Lord it is the time to be ready . one thing for sure Christ is coming back and every eye shall see him
 
As one into amateur astronomy, I could see that the passage in Revelation 12:1 is indicative of an astronomical position -- but down deep as much as I used to mention this, I think my fellows are somewhat disappointed that I believe the one the bible talks about is not this upcoming alignment September 23. The woman clothed with the sun and moon under her feet happens quite often and occurs now during the feast of trumpets. The sun is acting like the hour hand and moon the minute hand of a celestial clock showing an appointment. But a 10AM appointment at the doctor does not happen daily (I hope) just because the hands point the same way every morning.

There are a few things that bother me about this alignment. First off, the woman is not what I would called clothed with the sun -- the sun is more at her neck like a necklace. The alignment was more favorable around the time Christ was born as the procession of the equinoxes changed the season she is clothed somewhat. As a matter of fact, before I even knew about this 2017 alignment, back about 15 years ago I reported on a web site I had that I did not think this position was possible before September 25 and the window goes to about the middle of October-- hmmm marginal there since September 23 is a bit too early Secondly, the moon is more NEXT to her feet rather than under them, not quite into Libra. They then consider the 12 stars as the nine dominant ones in LEO and a curious dancing of 3 planets,especially Jupiter, and that add up to 12. I was quite bothered with this seemingly arbitrary selection of bodies to sum up to 12. I rather think the 12 stars are merely references to the 12 zodiac signs showing the astronomical connection, but I will admit that is my interpretation. For sure there are 12 there, rather than "picking out 12 stars" since that's open to interpretation.

I like the alignment about the time Christ was born as the sun was further down the woman and clothed her nicely September 18 1BC. And.... the moon was truly under her feet when it became the first visible crescent for the feast of trumpets. Today's alignment is too early (it has to be further down Virgo as in 1BC) and September 23 is at least 2 days after the feast of trumpets where we see the new moon. As I always jest, close, but no cigar. The 1BC alignment was so convincing to me that I thought that was the true birth date of Christ, but that's another topic.
 
Rondmon said:
Christians partaking in Astrological "SIGNS" Boggles my mind.
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Astrology is no good. but the constellations and planets that make it all up is real, and they are put there as signs unto us. Not to go off the deep end with but just to know the times and seasons.

Genesis 1:14
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:.../

And that's all they're there for, for us. All that stuff happening is merely to let us know that we're in the last days.
 
It's also Tishri 1... Jewish New Year.

But unfortunately I will still have to go to work. No rest for the wicked.
 
JohnDB said:
It's also Tishri 1... Jewish New Year.

But unfortunately I will still have to go to work. No rest for the wicked.
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Yes! I just realized that. Everybody but everybody says something big is going to happen tomorrow. and me too, I've been blessed and get to work tomorrow again. So there's my big ye-haw for the day.

Some say rapture (NO), some say end of the world (NO), others say that planet Nibiru is going to collide with earth...(I hope not! Lol). That'd probably knock me out of work for the day.
 
Edward said:
Astrology is no good. but the constellations and planets that make it all up is real, and they are put there as signs unto us. Not to go off the deep end with but just to know the times and seasons.

Genesis 1:14
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:.../

And that's all they're there for, for us. All that stuff happening is merely to let us know that we're in the last days.
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Yea but I think you are falling into the same trap other do, not understanding what God means by "Signs" there. People used stars for Navigation for 5000 years. Then we get the Sun/Moon will be used for days/weeks/months/years. So the signs are speaking about mostly time, and we also get Navigation.

We are strictly prohibited from reading the stars like the Babylonians did. The "Sign" John was referring to was a vision, as we see in Rev. 15 the same thing is said in verse 1, about the Seven angels readying the Seven last Vials. Its a Vision in Heaven where John was taken to in the Spirit. The Sun, Moon and 12 Stars are seen in Genesis 37:9, its a code telling us the Woman is Israel.

I agree they are signs for seasons and navigation, but not in foretelling future events per se. I think the "Star" the wise men saw was an Angel, angels are called stars throughout the bible, in many places.
 
Rondmon said:
Yea but I think you are falling into the same trap other do, not understanding what God means by "Signs" there. People used stars for Navigation for 5000 years. Then we get the Sun/Moon will be used for days/weeks/months/years. So the signs are speaking about mostly time, and we also get Navigation.

We are strictly prohibited from reading the stars like the Babylonians did. The "Sign" John was referring to was a vision, as we see in Rev. 15 the same thing is said in verse 1, about the Seven angels readying the Seven last Vials. Its a Vision in Heaven where John was taken to in the Spirit. The Sun, Moon and 12 Stars are seen in Genesis 37:9, its a code telling us the Woman is Israel.

I agree they are signs for seasons and navigation, but not in foretelling future events per se. I think the "Star" the wise men saw was an Angel, angels are called stars throughout the bible, in many places.
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No I think there's a wee bit of confusion here. I went through that verse and looked it all up in the original hebrew, it means for the "appointed times"...now this is not date setting or fortelling the future or horoscopes or anything of the sort like that. Times and seasons. It is not talking about Angels in Genesis 1:14.

Do you have a Strong's? if not you can go to BlueletterBible.com and do it that way. Input the book and chapter, then scroll down to your verse and click tools and you're there at the definitions for the words in that verse.
 
kiwidan said:
Is the world ending on the 23rd your time or my time?.
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I believe the calculation for September 23 was done for Israel, but that said, it's the same "time" or event all over the earth (just different time zones) considering that the event in question is an astronomical alignment in which the motion just crawls along. People "see" the same thing at the same moment all over the earth, except a minor deviation of the lunar position due to its proximity and those facing away from the constellation due to rotation. By "see" I mean that the constellation of Virgo is mostly non-visible to everyone since the sun is there except maybe an astronaut out in space. The idea is to see the sun setting being in the constellation of Virgo and the new crescent moon heralding the seventh month; something which traditional Jews did to proclaim their month. While I don't believe this is the end of the world day, your quip on time zones would not affect the moment if it were.
 
So it's tomorrow eh?
Well I'm planning on a big breakfast for the day.
1 1/2 lbs of slab bacon
Sourdough toast with Sourwood honey and butter (the good European kind)
Hash browns cooked crispy (1 1/2" cooked down to 3/8 inch)

And for my wife a ham and cheese omlette. (So she won't get into too much of my hash browns and bacon)
And
Sumatra coffee to wash it all down. (Fresh Ground from beans )
And maybe a spot of OJ...just to have a healthy point in it all.

If ya gotta go...go with bells on and a good breakfast in ya...
 
Rondmon said:
Christians partaking in Astrological "SIGNS" Boggles my mind.
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Job_9:9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.
Job_38:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
Amo_5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

Rev_12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

God placed the stars in the heavens. Man has twisted them but the stars are still God's
 
Edward said:
Yes! I just realized that. Everybody but everybody says something big is going to happen tomorrow. and me too, I've been blessed and get to work tomorrow again. So there's my big ye-haw for the day.

Some say rapture (NO), some say end of the world (NO), others say that planet Nibiru is going to collide with earth...(I hope not! Lol). That'd probably knock me out of work for the day.
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It's already the 23rd in Israel, which is where it counts. It's now approx. 2:00 am.
 
LOL. That's correct. It's morning here in Pa and afternoon in Israel which means it's almost the end of the day in Israel and nothing happened yet. So, I'm sitting here looking out at the beautiful morning and lovely rolling fields where I live and.... what is that? Looks like a giant spider! Has legs 100 feet long coming toward me, and ahhhh! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............
 
tim-from-pa said:
LOL. That's correct. It's morning here in Pa and afternoon in Israel which means it's almost the end of the day in Israel and nothing happened yet. So, I'm sitting here looking out at the beautiful morning and lovely rolling fields where I live and.... what is that? Looks like a giant spider! Has legs 100 feet long coming toward me, and ahhhh! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............
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:lol
 
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