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1. God directs by biblical pattern (tradition) as well as by biblical precept (teaching).

2. The patterns for church found in the New Testament are to be generally followed by the church of all ages and places.

3. Apostolic tradition (as found in the Bible) is equal in authority to, and consistent with, apostolic teaching.

4. The most important patterns for New Testament life church are the celebration of the Lord’s Supper weekly as a full meal, regular interactive church meetings, church government by consensus (elder leading more-so than elder rule), and home-based (home-sized) churches.

5. Without Christ at the center of things, these patterns become legalism and death, a hollow form, an empty shell. We need the proper wine skin, but more importantly we need the wine. Both have their place. Either one without the other is problematic.

6. Following New Testament patterns does not mean blindly attempting to recreate Roman culture (like wearing togas, writing on parchment, lighting by oil lamps, etc.). The issue here is church practice. There should be obvious reasons behind the practices being followed.

7. Following New Testament patterns does not mean every church will be exactly alike. Certainly there will be similarity in the basics (see summary # 4 above), but there is also freedom within the boundaries of the form.

8. Biblical house churches are not nearly so program and building oriented as many modern churches are. Because of this, some have mistakenly concluded that house churches are unorganized. Faithfulness to our Lord and His Word necessarily results in a biblical house church that follows God’s complete pattern for His church. Home churches may not be institutional, but they are to be organized. Following the traditions laid down by the apostles means that house churches are to have definite leaders, regular and orderly meetings, active church discipline, and weekly Lord’s Supper celebrations.

9. Apostolic teaching is faithfully reflected in the essential doctrines of the historic orthodox faith as upheld by the general consensus of the Christian Church for the last two millennia. This belief is reflected, for instance, in the Nicene Creed.



Many churches today are firmly entrenched in practical church traditions developed after the close of the apostolic era. Although sympathetic with apostolic tradition, the preference is usually given to more recently developed traditions. In such cases, there is danger of nullifying the inspired tradition of the apostles for the sake of more modern tradition (Mt 15).
 
Henry,

Did you write that all by yourself? If not, I think the rules state that you need to give a link to where you got it from. I've found it so unless the Holy Spirit got you to write exactly what others said, then you better start reffing your stuff. It's called plagurism.
 
You better watch out, thess is looking for your every bit of mistakes you make. :o
 
Henry said:
8. Biblical house churches are not nearly so program and building oriented as many modern churches are. Because of this, some have mistakenly concluded that house churches are unorganized. Faithfulness to our Lord and His Word necessarily results in a biblical house church that follows God’s complete pattern for His church. Home churches may not be institutional, but they are to be organized. Following the traditions laid down by the apostles means that house churches are to have definite leaders, regular and orderly meetings, active church discipline, and weekly Lord’s Supper celebrations.
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I started doing evangelism some 20 years ago and I've been a Christian who is coming up on 26 years and what I can tell you is that its one thing to teach about the Bible and it is quite different to teach from the Bible. The average house church pastor wouldn't make enough money to be devoted full time to the teaching of the Word of God. An example would be Paul because he had to make tents but Paul already had his degree. Unless a house church has a pastor whom has a degree, the pastor's learning would not be organized because of all the functions that he would have to do. Then I went to a Bible Institute and learned how much I was missing by trying to do everything myself which is what a house church represents if the pastor is not qualified. My Catholic friend thinks I have more education than the average Protestant pastor so I will be checking the statistics to see if that is true because one of the reasons people accept Catholicism is because they view your house church pastor as not balanced.

Acts 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

I went to small churches and the fact is that there are pastors today waiting on tables and they do all the work.

There was a church split some many years ago in my neighborhood. The people who led the split are now pastors. They stand up in front of the pulpit with t-shirts on and are not a good example because they didn't come the prescribed way and those in the house church didn't know any better because they started doing church their own way. House churches are a great forum for people who want to be up in front of other people regardless of whether they are qualified or not because the people weren't taught any better and there isn't anyone holding them accountable.
 
What is "plagurism"?

Thessalonian said:
Henry, Did you write that all by yourself? If not, I think the rules state that you need to give a link to where you got it from. I've found it so unless the Holy Spirit got you to write exactly what others said, then you better start reffing your stuff. It's called plagurism.
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What is plagurism? From the word plague?

plague: A highly infectious, usually fatal, epidemic disease; a pestilence.
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I think you mean plagiarism.
  • the act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own
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...like you do Thessalonian when you use the idea of Mary as the ark. THAT is plagiarism!!

:)
 
House churches are a great forum for people who want to be up in front of other people regardless of whether they are qualified or not because the people weren't taught any better and there isn't anyone holding them accountable.
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Not even close friend. To be qualified by whom???? Does not God qualify the men he choices? Is not the Holy Spirit our teacher? Can God use even the smallest child to teach us?

You must know that none of the prophets in the OT where "qualified" by religous standards to do what they did, and yet they did.

To be lead by the Spirit is not to say "Have I been qualified" it is to say "Lord I give myself to your use"

And as for acccountability.... what a terrible myth it is that you say there is none in a house church. Becuase the system is not as yours then it does not exist at all? The FACT is that in a true house church there is more, let me say this clear MORE accountability then in any other church setting.

Each member is accountable to the other, the elders are always on the look out for bad teaching, poeple aske questions and do not blindly follow any single man.

The first thing you should do is study what a true house church is, not all who meet in a house are house churches. And then you will see that you need to stop propelling myths which are unfounded, accusatory and simply false.

Try http://www.ntrf.org

PS A mormon can be a mormon for 100 years and still he is not going to become a God no matter how much or how long he has believed it. Do not let your years of experience become arrogence and cause you not to be willing to learn.
 
Gary,

Plagiarism is copying directly someone elses work that they have written. Can you show me where I have done that? I do believe that the first one I read that spoke of the Ark of the Covenant parallel (did I sp. that all correctly) was Scott Hahn, but I have read others who spoke of it as well. He is not the originator. In fact it has deep roots in the Church and the Church in it's liturgical calendar puts Luke 1 and 2 Sam 6 together in the readings for one of the Marian feast days. Can't recall which one. At any rate the parallel is hardly Hahn's. It has been in the Bible for nearly 2000 years. Of course you ignore the parallel at your own peril. :) I have not copied any of Hahn's work so you are in fact making a bogus accusation. Rules don't seem to mean much on this board.

With regard to your trite spelling lesson, Gary do you know the difference between these words: advice, advise? :-D I've ignored that one for a long time.

Blessings
 
thess

You are just mean and argumentative, who can ever talk to you.

For the most part I just ignore you, becuase anyone that actually believes what the Catholic Church teacher has to have issues to starts with.

:P
 
Henry said:
4. The most important patterns for New Testament life church are the celebration of the Lord’s Supper weekly as a full meal, regular interactive church meetings, church government by consensus (elder leading more-so than elder rule), and home-based (home-sized) churches.
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I went to a Brethren church where the elders lead. Its ugly because whenever two elders stand up at the same time to speak, a fight starts because someone is supposed to be speaking by the Holy Spirit and the other one is accused of Blasphemy.
 
Henry said:
House churches are a great forum for people who want to be up in front of other people regardless of whether they are qualified or not because the people weren't taught any better and there isn't anyone holding them accountable.
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Not even close friend. To be qualified by whom???? Does not God qualify the men he choices? Is not the Holy Spirit our teacher? Can God use even the smallest child to teach us?
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I'm wondering when your children will translate the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into English. Can't they do it?
 
Sothenes said:
Henry said:
4. The most important patterns for New Testament life church are the celebration of the Lord’s Supper weekly as a full meal, regular interactive church meetings, church government by consensus (elder leading more-so than elder rule), and home-based (home-sized) churches.
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I went to a Brethren church where the elders lead. Its ugly because whenever two elders stand up at the same time to speak, a fight starts because someone is supposed to be speaking by the Holy Spirit and the other one is accused of Blasphemy.
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mutzrein said:
Mmmm - how to win friends & influence people eh Thess.

Perhaps the 'blessings' are wearing thin :-?
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Seems this thread has turned in to dogpile on the Catholic. :-D

The blessings aren't for your approval of me. They are more of a prayer for you. I'm not hear seeking your approval.
 
The very word of God says that it is the Spirit of God which will lead us in all truth. If God wants a child to translate he can certainly do that, but what a narrow way to see things.

Can not God speak words through a Child that are simple and yet so full of truth?

God has preserved his written word and have given it to us in many languages, and thank God for that.
 
The very word of God says that it is the Spirit of God which will lead us in all truth. If God wants a child to translate he can certainly do that, but what a narrow way to see things.

Can not God speak words through a Child that are simple and yet so full of truth?

God has preserved his written word and have given it to us in many languages, and thank God for that.

I can see, that I must be carefull in my words with you... you are not really interested in talking, but looking for any "loop hole" you can use.
 
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