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[mutzrein]

Good won Vic. Eye like it. :wink:

are you making fun of me :evil:

Would I do that to you gingercat? No - you have always made it clear that English is not your first language.

The response was to a post made by Vic to Thess. Thess had pulled someone else up for their spelling mistake and then Thess himself was found to have erred by Vic.

We all make mistakes, including me believe it or not, but I have no problem with anyone pointing them out. They matter not.

As an aside, my best friend is dyslexic. While english is his first language he is not a good speller - but I think his 'disability' is actually a gift from God as he has been unable to read anything of a religious nature except the bible.

 

[belovedwolfofgod]

Rev 1:11 "Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches..."

Then John proceeds to write to each church as if they were one. This seems to not allow for home churches because it implies organization at a high level. And Paul writes to specific churches as well. And Clement, the 3rd bishop of Rome who solved a crisis in Corinth wrote to the Corinthian church to solve the problem, not to the churches in Corinth.

How do you explain this?

 

[thessalonian]

Mutz

Thess had pulled someone else up for their spelling mistake and then Thess himself was found to have erred by Vic.

Uh, no, that was not the issue, though vic didn't get it right either. Gary called someone on their spelling and I only brought up a spelling issue with him to counter his feeling good about his spelling. I suppose someday you guys will be right on something but I'm still waiting. :

 

[MrVersatile48]

I just have time to post this timely link @ listening to each other & taking genuine interest in folk:-

http://www.christianitytoday.com/outrea ... dinto.html

 

[Henry]

Too bad they knew how to meet in Synagogues as well.

John 16:1 "All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.

They? Could it be they are the Jews and since a synagoge is where Jews worship isn;t if fair to say they are not going to allow people to worship Jesus there? Hmmmm........The christians are PUT OUT, not invited in.

Acts 26:11 Many a time I went from one synagogue to another to have them punished, and I tried to force them to blaspheme. In my obsession against them, I even went to foreign cities to persecute them.

Didn't Paul need to go the local elders of the local Synagoge with is papers to get there permissoin to arrest the Christians? Yes he did, he was working within the legal system. He did not find them IN the synagoge he got permissoin to arrest them from the elders of that local synagoge, this is why he needed papers from the Jewish leaders in Jeresulam.

Acts 8:3 But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.

You see he got papers then he showed them to the elders and then he went from house to house having them arrrested.

Oh by the way, you may not know this but many Jews today are also practicing home synagoge. House Church goes all the back to the OT from the start.

Never the less, you supose that two verses that mention synagoges some how negate the many more that mention house churches? Why do you try to change the subject and not address the verses that clearly teach they met in houses?

I am not saying there where not Christians in other places, what I am saying is that they did not have church meetings in those places. And by the end of acts the Temples and Synogoges are not even associated with them, Jesus said they would be out and certainly they where.

A church meeting was not held anywhere but in a house, the other things they did in the public places where evanglism. The problem is that most chrisitans today do not know that a church meeting is for believers and not a place of evangelism.

 

[destiny]

Rev 1:11 "Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches..."

Then John proceeds to write to each church as if they were one. This seems to not allow for home churches because it implies organization at a high level. And Paul writes to specific churches as well. And Clement, the 3rd bishop of Rome who solved a crisis in Corinth wrote to the Corinthian church to solve the problem, not to the churches in Corinth.

How do you explain this?

Henry?

 

[mutzrein]

Mutz

Thess had pulled someone else up for their spelling mistake and then Thess himself was found to have erred by Vic.

Uh, no, that was not the issue, though vic didn't get it right either. Gary called someone on their spelling and I only brought up a spelling issue with him to counter his feeling good about his spelling. I suppose someday you guys will be right on something but I'm still waiting. :

'you guys'? Who pray are they?

 

[Henry]

Destiny

You can not escape the fact that house churches are mentioned through out the NT, I have posted many verses that clearly say the church the met in so and so's house.

What you should understand that though there are many house churches, there is one church of a city, and so the seven churches are the city wide churches which are built up of all the house churches in that city.

Just as we are one person, and yet we together are the body of Christ. Clearly we are not all in place at anyone time and yet we are the body of Christ aren't we?

Why you are arguing with me is baffeling

 

[Henry]

Revelation 1:11 which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

Notice how the churches are all for a city, hence the city church of such and such.

If you read through the book of acts carefully and the epistles you will find the same thing, church meeting in homes and at the same time the church of the city.

 

[destiny]

Destiny

You can not escape the fact that house churches are mentioned through out the NT, I have posted many verses that clearly say the church the met in so and so's house.

What you should understand that though there are many house churches, there is one church of a city, and so the seven churches are the city wide churches which are built up of all the house churches in that city.

Just as we are one person, and yet we together are the body of Christ. Clearly we are not all in place at anyone time and yet we are the body of Christ aren't we?

Why you are arguing with me is baffeling

Henry, I'm not arguing with you.
Remember, i'm a home church person also.
It's just that God is showing me that all churches aren't obsolete...in fact I visited a church last sunday that very much blessed me and my family.
Theres so many things about organized churches that I don't like, but the bottom line is it's 'people' who screw things up (anywhere).
Again i'll say that God isn't interested in perfectionism, he's interested in those who will love honor and obey Him.
There were a lots of things in the church service that didn't completely line up with the book of acts church but I don't know of anywhere on earth that has the perfect formula anyway these days.
God was honored and lifted up, people were ministered to, and God wasn't put in a box.
In fact the pastor preached and at the same time called everybody to the front of the church for much needed prayer and ministry.
I feel apostasy and compromise are what is destroying the American organized churches, not the way they are structured.
God can work around flawed structure and organization so long as He is lifted up in spirit and in truth.
I feel like we are straining at knats and swallowing camels when we constantly put down churches based on how they are structured instead of what they teach and the fruits thereof.

 

[Henry]

Some can be "blessed" at a mormon church to, right?

Look, I am just not interested in experiencial feelings stuff, I am ONLY interested in a biblical discussion about this or anyother related faith matter. Sorry.

 

[destiny]

Some can be "blessed" at a mormon church to, right?

Look, I am just not interested in experiencial feelings stuff, I am ONLY interested in a biblical discussion about this or anyother related faith matter. Sorry.

That old home church doctrine is a strong pull. God won't fit in that box either, I already tried to shove Him in there. :wink:

 

[Sothenes]

It's just that God is showing me that all churches aren't obsolete...in fact I visited a church last sunday that very much blessed me and my family.

It was too early to have a lot of Church buildings at the start of Christianity so the fact that the Bible is silent on a lot of things doesn't mean that the called out ones (the church) can't meet wherever they want.

Jesus said that wherever two or three are gathered, He (Jesus) is there. So if Christians gather in a large megachurch, Jesus is there much to the disagreement of those who would like to have us all in house churches.

 

[destiny]

It's just that God is showing me that all churches aren't obsolete...in fact I visited a church last sunday that very much blessed me and my family.

It was too early to have a lot of Church buildings at the start of Christianity so the fact that the Bible is silent on a lot of things doesn't mean that the called out ones (the church) can't meet wherever they want.

Jesus said that wherever two or three are gathered, He (Jesus) is there. So if Christians gather in a large megachurch, Jesus is there much to the disagreement of those who would like to have us all in house churches.

Yes. I agree.
My biggest problem with churches is that alot of them are becoming more and more compromised. It has nothing to do with structure or geographical locations for me. People obviously leave the churches for different reasons.
Everything will be sifted and shaken, even 'home' groups.

 

[Sothenes]

My biggest problem with churches is that alot of them are becoming more and more compromised. It has nothing to do with structure or geographical locations for me. People obviously leave the churches for different reasons.
Everything will be sifted and shaken, even 'home' groups.

The problem has more to do with our post Christian culture than it has to do with styles of buildings.

 

[mutzrein]

I don't really understand what the fuss is about.

Surely the church is the body of Christ. Some parts of the body meet in homes. Some meet in buildings commonly called 'churches'. Some meet in public buildings. Some meet in the open air, some meet in prisons. In fact wherever there are two or three gathered in Christ's name - there He is in the midst.

Two things occur to me. Not all who meet in any one or all of these places are the body of Christ. And none of these places of themselves are the only places for the body to meet.

God's dwelling place is not in places made by human hands. His dwelling place is within us. We are His temple.

 

[gingercat]

I don't really understand what the fuss is about.

Surely the church is the body of Christ. Some parts of the body meet in homes. Some meet in buildings commonly called 'churches'. Some meet in public buildings. Some meet in the open air, some meet in prisons. In fact wherever there are two or three gathered in Christ's name - there He is in the midst.

Two things occur to me. Not all who meet in any one or all of these places are the body of Christ. And none of these places of themselves are the only places for the body to meet.

God's dwelling place is not in places made by human hands. His dwelling place is within us. We are His temple.

Amen Mutz. :angel:

 

[Henry]

The problem has more to do with our post Christian culture than it has to do with styles of buildings.

The problem is that no is interested in the Bible's teaching in this matter of church meeting and has abandoned that early church ways for so long now they are all but forgotten.

This is not about style or buildings but about the BIBLE and what it teaches us in this matter and all others.

And it teaches us a church life expression that is totaly different the what we see today. Forget about style and post christian and all the jive and get into the Bible and see what is there and what is not there.

 

[destiny]

I don't really understand what the fuss is about.

Surely the church is the body of Christ. Some parts of the body meet in homes. Some meet in buildings commonly called 'churches'. Some meet in public buildings. Some meet in the open air, some meet in prisons. In fact wherever there are two or three gathered in Christ's name - there He is in the midst.

Two things occur to me. Not all who meet in any one or all of these places are the body of Christ. And none of these places of themselves are the only places for the body to meet.

God's dwelling place is not in places made by human hands. His dwelling place is within us. We are His temple.

Thats it mutzrein....and "where 2 or 3 are gathered together in His name"

Henry...

Look, I am just not interested in experiencial feelings stuff, I am ONLY interested in a biblical discussion about this or anyother related faith matter.

But sometimes experiencial feelings will confirm the presence of God...and every person of God in the bible had experiencial feelings at some point or another.

 

[gingercat]

But sometimes experiencial feelings will confirm the presence of God...and every person of God in the bible had experiencial feelings at some point or another.

Jesus never talks about these kind of feelings. He says believe what Jesus did miracles. They are actual things. We should recognise our actual changed lives. not the feelings.