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Boxing

I"m not sure what the Bible says on boxing. I don't think it says either way on these types of things, I guess it depends where your heart and motivation are.

Personally speaking I can't stand it, I just can't see the entertainment in watching two guys bash each other in.
 
Nick said:
I"m not sure what the Bible says on boxing. I don't think it says either way on these types of things, I guess it depends where your heart and motivation are.

Personally speaking I can't stand it, I just can't see the entertainment in watching two guys bash each other in.
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i understand that. but i dont watch it. i would rather step in the ring and fight if i was young enough.

its about pushing yourself and the struggle. boxing.mma, bjj. wrestling are sports and are meant to be that. albiet violent ones. but then agian hockey, and soccer and football are violent at moments. even crickets when teams loose.

i do the mma thing cause its more then just grappling. its about being in shape and also a chess game.
 
jasoncran said:
i understand that. but i dont watch it. i would rather step in the ring and fight if i was young enough.

its about pushing yourself and the struggle. boxing.mma, bjj. wrestling are sports and are meant to be that. albiet violent ones. but then agian hockey, and soccer and football are violent at moments. even crickets when teams loose.

i do the mma thing cause its more then just grappling. its about being in shape and also a chess game.
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I don't mind wrestling and martial arts, becasue they're not necessarily violent, and IMO require more skill than boxing. Football/Rugby/Soccer, yep can be violent at times, but that's not at the heart of the sport, as it is with boxing. Cricket's not that violent, and it's the sport of legends :D
 
Nick said:
I don't mind wrestling and martial arts, becasue they're not necessarily violent, and IMO require more skill than boxing. Football/Rugby/Soccer, yep can be violent at times, but that's not at the heart of the sport, as it is with boxing. Cricket's not that violent, and it's the sport of legends :D
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uh, people have had ribs broken in bjj and also have been so injured by the fights that docs must repair them.

boxing is a martial art. it came from the old greco-roman olympics, and was used to keep the warriors in shape. the old greco-roman wrestling was mma!.

my new coach had his pec torn off his chest in the naga tourney last year, and its still not healed.
even after surgery.

boxing is a skill, trust me, the untrained eye doenst see it.
 
jasoncran said:
uh, people have had ribs broken in bjj and also have been so injured by the fights that docs must repair them.

boxing is a martial art. it came from the old greco-roman olympics, and was used to keep the warriors in shape. the old greco-roman wrestling was mma!.

my new coach had his pec torn off his chest in the naga tourney last year, and its still not healed.
even after surgery.

boxing is a skill, trust me, the untrained eye doenst see it.
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I'm still not sold on the boxing. I just don't get the punching each other in the head.
 
jasoncran said:
uh, people have had ribs broken in bjj and also have been so injured by the fights that docs must repair them.

boxing is a martial art. it came from the old greco-roman olympics, and was used to keep the warriors in shape. the old greco-roman wrestling was mma!.

my new coach had his pec torn off his chest in the naga tourney last year, and its still not healed.
even after surgery.

boxing is a skill, trust me, the untrained eye doenst see it.
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I'm still not sold on the boxing. I just don't get the punching each other in the head. Not to mention many people that play it probably lose brain cells and the like after playing it for many years.
 
Nick said:
I'm still not sold on the boxing. I just don't get the punching each other in the head. Not to mention many people that play it probably lose brain cells and the like after playing it for many years.
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traumatic brain injury also is occuring in american football.

one doenst play box, tis a fight.

mma has the same thing but we have a better safeguard, of course the fighters there will have some joint issues.

lol. the punching in the head. man try knees, chokes, elbows and what not in mma.

i have a pro fighter i talk to. i calm him a wus for not having ground game.
 
I think looking at boxing from a Christian perspective is an interesting topic.

On one hand, the participants both agree to "fight" each other. On the other hand, the goal in boxing is to basically beat up your opponent.
 
I agree w/Nick. I can`t give a Biblical quote for an answer but personally I hate it. I can`t see any way God can be glorified or any good can come from a sport where the goal is to knock another human out but if you can`t do that then at least beat them up good. To me it takes a hard heart to do that and watch it.
 
tjw said:
To those against boxing, what is your view of football?
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Personally I wouldn`t want my son to play football because of the high risk of injury. I would strongly encourage him to play another sport. However, if he really wanted to play and I lived in an area where football was "the" sport that all the boys played, I would let him because the goal of football is getting touch downs not knock outs. It is a contact sport but the purpose of contact is not to beat up someone. Moreover, football has all sorts of rules against unsportsman like contact including punching so this sport is not about violence in the way boxing is. Also, with a good coach, kids can learn a lot about team work and sportsmanship in football.
So to sum it up, I would discourage my son from football because of the high risk of injury, but I would never allow him to do boxing because of the whole senseless, violence as its sole purpose.
 
Nick said:
I don't mind wrestling and martial arts, becasue they're not necessarily violent, and IMO require more skill than boxing. Football/Rugby/Soccer, yep can be violent at times, but that's not at the heart of the sport, as it is with boxing. Cricket's not that violent, and it's the sport of legends :D
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What???? If you think martial arts aren't violent, you're a bit confused! I don't mean that as an insult, so please don't take it that way.

My art is Okinawan Karate and the style of my dojo was Shorei Kai. I can assure you that it is indeed a contact sport. I had three cracked ribs, a broken toe, numerous contusions, jammed fingers and toes to prove it. ;) I think boxing and other martial arts are manly endeavors and should rightly be admired. I would say that boxing, while different in structure than some martial arts, is no more violent or contact oriented and requires about the same mental approach.

I enjoyed it immensely and didn't really mind the injuries - even at the age I began. The precision, the techniques, the discipline and the comradery very much appealed to me. I met nothing but good people during my time as a Karateka - all of them would compete vigorously, but fairly.

It's a good experience in many ways and I would heartily recommend it to anyone.
 
old_tractor said:
What???? If you think martial arts aren't violent, you're a bit confused! I don't mean that as an insult, so please don't take it that way.

My art is Okinawan Karate and the style of my dojo was Shorei Kai. I can assure you that it is indeed a contact sport. I had three cracked ribs, a broken toe, numerous contusions, jammed fingers and toes to prove it. ;) I think boxing and other martial arts are manly endeavors and should rightly be admired. I would say that boxing, while different in structure than some martial arts, is no more violent or contact oriented and requires about the same mental approach.

I enjoyed it immensely and didn't really mind the injuries - even at the age I began. The precision, the techniques, the discipline and the comradery very much appealed to me. I met nothing but good people during my time as a Karateka - all of them would compete vigorously, but fairly.

It's a good experience in many ways and I would heartily recommend it to anyone.
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What I meant was (and what I"m sure I posted before) is that there's more to martial arts (from what I've observed) than just kicking your partner in, as is the case in boxing. That's how I see it anyway.
 
old_tractor said:
What???? If you think martial arts aren't violent, you're a bit confused! I don't mean that as an insult, so please don't take it that way.

My art is Okinawan Karate and the style of my dojo was Shorei Kai. I can assure you that it is indeed a contact sport. I had three cracked ribs, a broken toe, numerous contusions, jammed fingers and toes to prove it. ;) I think boxing and other martial arts are manly endeavors and should rightly be admired. I would say that boxing, while different in structure than some martial arts, is no more violent or contact oriented and requires about the same mental approach.

I enjoyed it immensely and didn't really mind the injuries - even at the age I began. The precision, the techniques, the discipline and the comradery very much appealed to me. I met nothing but good people during my time as a Karateka - all of them would compete vigorously, but fairly.

It's a good experience in many ways and I would heartily recommend it to anyone.
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Personally I don`t consider boxing a martial art. Maybe technically it is, I don`t know but I see it purely in a catagory of its own. As for martial arts in the classic layman`s meaning as forms of karate, there are many kinds and disciplines of karate. Some I see just as violent as boxing if they teach aggression, and others I see as much worse than boxing because boxing is restricted to the ring where 2 trained people of the same weight range agree to fight each other. Although it is violent, there is fairness in that violence and a referee to make sure set rules are not broken. On the other hand some forms of karate teach offensive not defensive behavior. I know a nice girl that started taking an aggressive form of karate and she went from a kind, docile personality to very cocky, in your face, let`s fight kind of a person. In other words, she took her training out into society to use on untrained people who did not want or know how to fight and where there were no rules or referees to make sure things did not get dirty. In this case, her form of karate was far worse than boxing. However, I think the overall concept of most forms of karate is self defense and personal discipline which sets these forms above boxing. For me, the problem with boxing is the sole purpose is to knock out or beat up someone. That is what I would define as violent behavior. But the philosophy of self defence is not bad to me so if the training gets tough that is okay. There`s a BIG difference between purposeful violence and tough training. Just about in any sport a person can get hurt or injured. The difference is does the person get hurt because that is the object of the sport. If that is the object of the sport then it is violent. If it is a consequence of the sport, then it does not mean it is violent. The more physical and more contact a sport is, the higher the risk of injury. I mean people get broken bones, crash into trees, etc. from snow skiing but I doubt anyone would catagorize that as a violent sport. High risk for injury? Yes. Violent? No.
 
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theres' jerks and aggressive people even in the pacifist style of aikido.

i know of two like that in my town. one i have told and the sensei has said go trian with jason in bjj.

old-tractor, i am a shodan in rokokai karate-do, a varation of shotokan, and that is really shuri-te. in essence what you are training in.

but i converted to mma stuff and will remain in that for a while.
 
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