I hadn't taken the time to read the last few posts, so I don't know if this has been said yet. I read most of what was on the first page, noticing how what I'm about to say never really came up.
Okay.
It can be a tricky question. I see some people say "Without a doubt, no." and some people say "Oh, definitely." I'll play both, actually. I suppose it depends on HOW you think. I'll try to make this as brief as I can in hopes to get to the clincher.
Point 1: Every human being has the capability to think, reflect, and to love. Science cannot prove love exists. Love is a choice, be it rational or not. Many people make illogical decisions all the time. I've done it countless times. (darn video games suck my life away. :P) But we all have love, or the capability of it. So...who (or' what,' for humor's sake) put that there? It's a scientific question. Transitive property, if you will.
Let's take this idea of "God." What is a true "God?" In my opinion, a true god would be so powerful and so intelligant/brilliant, that no other thing could have put it/Him there. All those Greek and Roman gods and titans should have NOTHING on a true god. They're limited in power and ability. The definition or epidamy of a god would be NO limits or power.
Point 2: So now, let's assume (I'm trying to be sensitive for those that do not hold to the Christian mindset here) this "God" exists, and He creates something. In order for anyone to create anything, especially something they're particularly excited or proud of from the start - putting their time, effort and energy into it - they need a resource; some kind of material or pre-fabricated factor to partake from. So, if nothing else exists except Himself, He has no other place to draw from but from Himself. (again, scientific, logical thinking) He takes His love, His kindness, His intellect, His ability to think and choose..ALL the things we as humans have ourselves, and puts it into us. (I'm not using the Bible here, folks. This is pure common sense.)
I know how I get when I finish a really good piece of literature, or a drawing that takes me HOURS to do. I feel great, and there are several art pieces which I can say I'm proud of without going over the boundary of boasting. Artists can look at their work and appreciate it, and say that "it was good" (as God did in Genesis)
Point 3, and hopefully, here's the clincher/my answer to the question: Obviously, any creator is seperate from their creation. They're two seperate entities, one outside of the other. So, taking into account/assuming that the previous statements are true (thinking scientifically, again), we can then make the logical deduction that God is seperate from us. And taking point 1 into account, that a true "God" would be all-powerful, making mistakes or making a bad judgment call is completely contradictory to His nature, and should actually be deemed impossible if you want to think logically.
Again, on the logical path, you can now assume and blatently observe that, since both parties (the Creator and the creation) have their own volition and sense of choice making, that this "God" can operate completely seperate from His creation; OUTSIDE His creation.
It is for this reason that I say one cannot prove God's existance through science.
*sighs, deep breath*
okay, that was the first half. :P
Still on the logical path here, any creator, even on this planet, can create something and do whatever the heck they want outside or apart from their creation. Much like a child thinks something is going to go a certain way, only to find out the parent had something else in mind is very similar to the way a Creator might act. Children learn patterns when they're young. Humans observe all the causes and affects and act accordingly. But...what happens when things don't match up so much? How would you explain that?
The human mind adapts into a program, sometimes. We see what seem to be constants (as opposed to variables) in this life and adapt ourselves to them to feel more secure and well-placed, much like children learning behavioral patterns with their parents to either get what they want or to avoid getting spanked. Often times, children expect something due to what they think they have learned, so they're surprised and somewhat confused when the parent does something new or out of the blue. So...what does it mean when things that happen outside to explainable bounds of what we know to be science? What does it mean when things that shouldn't happen...HAPPEN?
Think of a computer program and randomized AI constructs. You place AI constructs, "capable" if you will, of performing certain actions in a random, unpredictable pattern...into a PROGRAMMED environment - an environment that only knows how to act based upon pre-determined factors and constants, hardly any variables if any.
Examples of things that SHOULDN'T happen 'without' a God: Exodus 17 - Moses held up his rod towards the sky and the sun stood still for three straight 24 hour days. NASA, 2000 years later, attempted to reverse engineer the earth's timetable, but they reached a certain point several thousands of years BC and found discrepancies and problems they couldn't get past. A Christian scientist told them to humor him and plug in the factor of the sun sitting still for three straight days..and everything matched up. No lie. True story.
An older woman goes into an IC unit for newborns, prays over one child, walks out, and moments later doctors find out every child in the IC unit is fine. ALL AT ONCE.
Faulty programming, maybe? well, who's to say the Original Programmer didn't change the code for one instance or another? If He's a creator, He can act outside of the bounds He's made for us anytime He wants, just like a parent can change things up in their home in concerns to their children.
So, in turn, science CAN prove that there is a God, because how else can you explain discrepencies and things that just shouldn't happen?
In terms of trying to disprove that there is a God, no one can do that. We're still exploring new parts of the universe to this day, and finding new planets parsecs away (yes, it's an actual measurement, not just made up in Star Wars. It's 3.something light years). Someone saying there is no God is like them saying there's no little purple rock with blue polka dots on it. They'd have to travel to all those different planets in the universe and look in every nook and cranny to be able to say that.
what say you?
