Can women teach God's word.

[jasonc]

Yet in the house where it matters .the man is held responsible.

The family is more important to God then the church in priority.

It's not the churches job to teach your children it's the parents job .they do help .but not the way some have let it become.

 

[electedbyHim]

All I can say is that God will call and anoint who He wants to lead His Church.

Is an Elder a Pastor? Was the Church in error when I was given an Evangelist license to preach the word of God in Church services when I use to do Prison Ministry and taught the gospel to men?

Your church and yourself are in error.

 

[electedbyHim]

All I can say is that God will call and anoint who He wants to lead His Church.

Reserved to males only as His word teaches, no matter how you or others spin it.

 

[Free]

Pheobe (Romans 16:1-2): This woman was a deaconess of the church in Cenchrea, who was beloved of Paul and many other Christians for the help she gave to them. She filled an important position of leadership. It would be a difficult stretch of the imagination to say that this woman fulfilled her duties without ever speaking in the church!​

Deacons are servants for some specific purpose in the duties and functioning of the church, and may not even have anything to do with the assembled church at all (see Acts 6, for example). They don’t teach or pastor.

Priscilla (Acts 18:26): Priscilla and her husband Aquila are often mentioned with great respect by Paul. Together they were pastors of a church in Ephesus, and were responsible for teaching the full gospel to Apollos. We are informed that they both taught Apollos, and pastored the church together. In fact, Priscilla is sometimes listed ahead of Aquila when their names come up. This has led some to speculate that of the two, she was the primary teacher and her husband oversaw the ministry. At any rate, we see here a woman in a very prominent position of teaching and pastoring. (Other references to Priscilla and Aquila are Acts 18:2, 18; Romans 16:3, and I Corinthians 16:19).​

To say they were pastors is to go beyond any text mentioning them, that I noticed. It is simply stated that a gathering of believers met in their house.

Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2-3): Here we see reference to two women who were "true yokefellow" and who labored with Paul in the advancement of the gospel.​

Labored could refer to any number of things and need not have anything to do with teaching.

Junia (Romans 16:7): In this verse we see Paul sending greetings to Andronicus and Junia, his "fellow-prisoners" who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a woman's name. In some modern translations, an "s" has been added (Junias) because the translators were so sure a woman could not be an apostle, that they assumed a copyist has accidentally dropped the "s." However the proper male ending would have been "ius," not "ias." No church commentator earlier than the Middle Ages questioned that Junia was both a woman and an apostle.​

There is no mention that I could find of Junia (or Junias) being an apostle.

Though there were other women throughout the Bible in positions of leadership, such as prophetesses, evangelists, judges, leaders, etc., the above references should be enough to establish that women were indeed a vital and normal part of church leadership. Paul expected women to speak in the church, or else why would he have given the following directive. It would have been useless to give directions for women who were speaking in the church, if they were never allowed to do so.

Furthermore, if Paul believed that all women should never teach or speak in church, why does he commend many women who did just that.

1 Corinthians 14 is all about prophecy, tongues and orderly worship in the church. Paul was giving a call to order in the church as the women were disorganized during the service with their endless chatter asking questions.

In this chapter Paul is giving instruction on how to give prophecy and use tongues in an orderly fashion. Paul was not telling women that they were not allowed to teach men, but to keep quite in the church with there disruptive chatter and questions that interrupted the service. They were told to hold their questions until they got home and ask their husband. They were never told they could not teach men.​

Paul explicitly says he doesn’t allow women to teach or have authority over men (1 Tim 2:12). Both things could refer to the offices of teacher and elder.

 

[jaybo]

Deacons are servants for some specific purpose in the duties and functioning of the church, and may not even have anything to do with the assembled church at all (see Acts 6, for example). They don’t teach or pastor.


To say they were pastors is to go beyond any text mentioning them, that I noticed. It is simply stated that a gathering of believers met in their house.


Labored could refer to any number of things and need not have anything to do with teaching.


There is no mention that I could find of Junia (or Junias) being an apostle.


Paul explicitly says he doesn’t allow women to teach or have authority over men (1 Tim 2:12). Both things could refer to the offices of teacher and elder.

Paul did not write law!

 

[Free]

Paul did not write law!

No one is saying he did. Please, go and learn the difference between law and commands for believers.

 

[jaybo]

No one is saying he did. Please, go and learn the difference between law and commands for believers.

Laws are written commands. True Christians are led by the Holy Spirit internally. Please go and learn the difference.

 

[Free]

Laws are written commands.

I pointed out the error in your reasoning here in the other thread, which you simply ignored, so I'm not going to do it again.

True Christians are led by the Holy Spirit internally. Please go and learn the difference.

Yes, Christians are led by the Holy Spirit, but, more than anything, that includes the living and active words of God as recorded in the Bible. From your argument, we could throw out the Bible altogether, which is practically what many Christians do when deciding what to believe and what not to believe in what it states and commands.

 

[jaybo]

I pointed out the error in your reasoning here in the other thread, which you simply ignored, so I'm not going to do it again.


Yes, Christians are led by the Holy Spirit, but, more than anything, that includes the living and active words of God as recorded in the Bible. From your argument, we could throw out the Bible altogether, which is practically what many Christians do when deciding what to believe and what not to believe in what it states and commands.

From your argument, you would throw out the Bible altogether, which is practically what many Christians do when deciding what to believe and what not to believe in what it states and commands, including yourself.



P.S. How do you know what " many Christians do when deciding what to believe and what not to believe"? Have you polled the body of believers, or are you, like the Pharisee, judging others and thanking God that you're not like them?

 

[Free]

From your argument, you would throw out the Bible altogether, which is practically what many Christians do when deciding what to believe and what not to believe in what it states and commands, including yourself.

Unlike yourself, I am guided by the Holy Spirit, given to me by God.

P.S. How do you know what " many Christians do when deciding what to believe and what not to believe"? Have you polled the body of believers, or are you, like the Pharisee, judging others and thanking God that you're not like them?

By the way you continually try to flip my arguments on me, it shows that you are either not understanding what I am saying or simply don't want to deal with the argument, which raises the question of why you even get involved in these discussions in the first place. And, please, avoid statements like "Unlike yourself, I am guided by the Holy Spirit, given to me by God." That is a violation of the ToS.

With that, I will not discuss this further with you.

 

[JLB]

But she must not teach men and certainly not from a position of spiritual authority

So women are not to teach their sons?

 

[JLB]

Your church and yourself are in error.

Can you be more specific about the error in her statement, please?

 

[jaybo]

By the way you continually try to flip my arguments on me, it shows that you are either not understanding what I am saying or simply don't want to deal with the argument, which raises the question of why you even get involved in these discussions in the first place. And, please, avoid statements like "Unlike yourself, I am guided by the Holy Spirit, given to me by God." That is a violation of the ToS.

With that, I will not discuss this further with you.

Fine. The discussion is ended. Remain under the law if that is what you prefer.

 

[for_his_glory]

Deacons are servants for some specific purpose in the duties and functioning of the church, and may not even have anything to do with the assembled church at all (see Acts 6, for example). They don’t teach or pastor.

I see my error as I should have emphasized that speaking in the church is not always teaching or preaching to others. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

To say they were pastors is to go beyond any text mentioning them, that I noticed. It is simply stated that a gathering of believers met in their house.

Usually when there is a gathering of believers that meet in their house, like many did back in that era for fear of the Roman guards finding them I would call that a church service as where there is two or more gathered Jesus is in the midst of them, Matthew 18:20. I know the full context from vs 15-20 is about if a brother sins against you, but I see vs. 20 also being used within the assembling even if it is two or three. I could be wrong.

Labored could refer to any number of things and need not have anything to do with teaching.

Philippians 4:3 laboured with me in the gospel could mean many things as also in helping teach the word to others. Just a thought.

There is no mention that I could find of Junia (or Junias) being an apostle.

In Romans 16:7 Paul says Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Whether Junia was the first female apostle, or just known of the apostles has always been debated like whether this is a man or a woman. All we can go by is that she was named among the apostles as outside of the Bible Im not sure if there are any other writings about her as there are to many conflicting stories about who she was.

Paul explicitly says he doesn’t allow women to teach or have authority over men (1 Tim 2:12). Both things could refer to the offices of teacher and elder.

When you study 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 Paul is teaching about orderly worship and all things being spoke, especially in tongues and giving prophecy is to be done unto edifing. Skip down to vs. 33-35 Paul says God is not the author of cunfusion then tells these women of the Corinth church to keep silent. That is because some of these women were out of line giving false prophecy, speaking in uninterpreted tongues and asking guestions disturbing the service that they should have been asking their husbands at home. These are the type of women Paul said to keep silent and not teach their heresies to others in the church.

 

[for_his_glory]

Reserved to males only as His word teaches, no matter how you or others spin it.

Study 1Corinthians 14:26-35 as you will understand these women in the Corinth church were out of line in a disorderly fashion and told to keep silent.

 

[jaybo]

Study 1Corinthians 14:26-35 as you will understand these women in the Corinth church were out of line in a disorderly fashion and told to keep silent.

It must be personally offensive to you to read so many posts that denigrate women and their roles in the body of Christ. I want to personally thank you for being a pastor on this forum and being patient with those who can't respect the abilities of women.

 

[electedbyHim]

Study 1Corinthians 14:26-35 as you will understand these women in the Corinth church were out of line in a disorderly fashion and told to keep silent.

I understand the background in Corinth.

 

[electedbyHim]

Can you be more specific about the error in her statement, please?

You have yet to answer my question.

 

[for_his_glory]

It must be personally offensive to you to read so many posts that denigrate women and their roles in the body of Christ. I want to personally thank you for being a pastor on this forum and being patient with those who can't respect the abilities of women.

I never get offended, but only bring my understandings in how I study scripture. Sometimes I'm right and sometimes I can be wrong, especially when others that have a greater Spiritual knowledge then I have can bring a new light to scripture that I did not understand in full. We must always be approachable and opened for correction when the Holy Spirit uses others to correct us. It is not I, but Christ who is in me that uses me to teach others as He alone gets all the praise and glory.

 

[Free]

I see my error as I should have emphasized that speaking in the church is not always teaching or preaching to others. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

I know you know. It was more for the benefit of others who may not.

Usually when there is a gathering of believers that meet in their house, like many did back in that era for fear of the Roman guards finding them I would call that a church service as where there is two or more gathered Jesus is in the midst of them, Matthew 18:20. I know the full context from vs 15-20 is about if a brother sins against you, but I see vs. 20 also being used within the assembling even if it is two or three. I could be wrong.

I wasn't clear in making my point. I agree that it is a church service. My only point was that it does not mean that the person or persons in whose house the meeting was held were the pastors or teachers or held any sort of church office. It could just mean they were wealthy enough (Priscilla and Aquila were also tentmakers) to have a large enough house to hold the gathering.

Philippians 4:3 laboured with me in the gospel could mean many things as also in helping teach the word to others. Just a thought.

Yes, it could, but we have to be careful in not going beyond what Scripture states, especially if other related passages are more clear.

In Romans 16:7 Paul says Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Whether Junia was the first female apostle, or just known of the apostles has always been debated like whether this is a man or a woman. All we can go by is that she was named among the apostles as outside of the Bible Im not sure if there are any other writings about her as there are to many conflicting stories about who she was.

There is ambiguity in the language as to whether it means they were apostles or simply known by the apostles. As the verse appears in the ESV:

Rom 16:7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me.

When you study 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 Paul is teaching about orderly worship and all things being spoke, especially in tongues and giving prophecy is to be done unto edifing. Skip down to vs. 33-35 Paul says God is not the author of cunfusion then tells these women of the Corinth church to keep silent. That is because some of these women were out of line giving false prophecy, speaking in uninterpreted tongues and asking guestions disturbing the service that they should have been asking their husbands at home. These are the type of women Paul said to keep silent and not teach their heresies to others in the church.

Well, Paul doesn't mention anything about false prophecy by these women or teaching heresies as a reason why they should keep silent. It seems the whole church was doing things chaotically. While in this particular passage, Paul seems to be referring to women who are somehow being disruptive by asking their husbands questions, in 1 Tim 2:12 Paul explicitly says he doesn’t allow women to teach or have authority over men in the assembled church, that is, during a church service.