Can women teach God's word.

[electedbyHim]

With PTSD that is battle .we hate who we are and have lost purpose .

Most wordly say and it's not bad that we should love ourselves but we'll God sees sin and doesn't love that and wants it gone .

There is a balence. I can't say I found it .


Vanity ,vanity all is vanity . That is my preset I start at . Yet I must remind myself that God is the source .not my blessings though he does give them to us and we should be thankful .

Agreed, there is a balance, that, I myself am still working on, rather, the Holy Spirit is working on me.

I know I have met many in the movement who believe they are sinless as well. I just never understood how people could believe the things they are taught without doing the research themselves.

I know that to be content in my life, is just being thankful to God and being obedient to His commands and His will found in Scripture. When I am walking in the Spirit of God, it is the most joy and peace I have ever experienced in my life.

 

[jasonc]

I have heard of them ,usually the Holiness types but never met them

 

[JLB]

Why can't woman be apostles ,bishops?


Most pentacostals already allow the bishops to be ladies and in the nar apostles .

Its not up to me. If God decides to send a woman to raise up Churches, then that is His business.

 

[jasonc]

Its not up to me. If God decides to send a woman to raise up Churches, then that is His business.

Then what verse says an ender is to be a man of one wife,why not two three or a wife of a man.
God doesn't contradict his own words .

Paul said If a man desires to be a bishop .God puts that upon men gifts and calls them .

What is an elder then ? Since it lists the traits he must have .

That's confusion .

It's de facto ,

Well if it's a woman the Bible says this she must be a woman of one husband.we have no need to context that text when it's clear .
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Able to rule the house.well a woman can't if married rule the house .that is the male .as the wife is to submit to the husband .



The words for bishop I repeat is the Greek synonyms for pastor ,elder and bishop .

Ya can't call out McArthur on blaspheme when he sees this isn't something God would say .it's well God didn't mean that .yeah he did ,Paul wrote it as instructions for Timothy and Titus . authority over men .not boys .adult males to where they can be rebuked ,refused baptism ,refused communion and from fellowship.

 

[Hopeful]

Bad type ,the ones teach you must have the baptism to be saved .

That is what Jesus said, in Mark 16:16.
Why contradict Christ?

The indwelling of the Spirit isn't such that one speaks in tongues .but that you have Holiness .the account in acts was interpretation ,one of the gifts .that's also been a debate since the Azusa revival.i know some will disagree .


Emotionalism is a big problem for that group .my emotions swing way to much to be trusted.

 

[electedbyHim]

Its not up to me. If God decides to send a woman to raise up Churches, then that is His business.

Per Scripture, he will never do that, no matter how you or others will believe.

Just because you believe something does not mean it is true.

Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can know it?

And if it is truly from God, you will find it in Scripture.

He is not giving any special revelation to anyone, no matter what the believe.

Woman over the years have said God has called me to lead or pastor, "I can feel it". Satan deceived Eve and is all you need to know.

 

[JLB]

he will never do that,

Please pist the scripture that says God will never send a woman to evangelize an area and raise up a church there?

 

[jasonc]

Please pist the scripture that says God will never send a woman to evangelize an area and raise up a church there?

He was as I was asking b about bishops,pastors and elders .

Those are not evangelist or prophets

.

 

[Cnkw3]

Please pist the scripture that says God will never send a woman to evangelize an area and raise up a church there?

Show me one example of a woman sent out to “evangelize an area”. If this idea is Biblical then it must be somewhere in the Bible? Right?

Here’s a Biblical example....
Acts 6:2,3 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
They chose seven MEN to do the work of this group. Why didn’t they include a woman or two? This is a Biblical (not man made) example of how God wants his work done.

When they chose an apostle to replace Judas? Was it a man or woman? In today’s modern culture we (the wisdom of man) would say.....we have too many men, that’s not fair! We have to select a woman. So we then appoint and hire only by gender. God did not do that.

Paul chose Barnabas, Silas, Luke, Timothy to be his evangelistic companions. Please show me where he chose a woman to do this.

Aquila and Priscilla led Apollos to a better understanding. It wasn’t Priscilla by herself. They then sent Apollos out to preach not Priscilla.

Don’t get me wrong....I believe that women are very capable of doing many things in our society today. For example: I love Kari Lake for governor of Arizona. Not because she’s a woman but because she seems stronger, and more capable than most men out there right now. But as strong and capable as she is she still cannot have a leadership role within the church God built.

 

[JLB]

Show me one example of a woman sent out to “evangelize an area”. If this idea is Biblical then it must be somewhere in the Bible? Right?

Here’s a Biblical example....
Acts 6:2,3 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
They chose seven MEN to do the work of this group. Why didn’t they include a woman or two? This is a Biblical (not man made) example of how God wants his work done.

When they chose an apostle to replace Judas? Was it a man or woman? In today’s modern culture we (the wisdom of man) would say.....we have too many men, that’s not fair! We have to select a woman. So we then appoint and hire only by gender. God did not do that.

Paul chose Barnabas, Silas, Luke, Timothy to be his evangelistic companions. Please show me where he chose a woman to do this.

Aquila and Priscilla led Apollos to a better understanding. It wasn’t Priscilla by herself. They then sent Apollos out to preach not Priscilla.

Don’t get me wrong....I believe that women are very capable of doing many things in our society today. For example: I love Kari Lake for governor of Arizona. Not because she’s a woman but because she seems stronger, and more capable than most men out there right now. But as strong and capable as she is she still cannot have a leadership role within the church God built.

We all know the twelve were men.

There were no Gentiles among them then either.

Please show me the scripture that says God will never use a woman to preach the Gospel.

Prophets preach the Gospel.

John the Baptist was a prophet.

Women are prophets.

God pours out his Spirit on men and women.

 

[Cnkw3]

We all know the twelve were men.

There were no Gentiles among them then either.

Please show me the scripture that says God will never use a woman to preach the Gospel.

Prophets preach the Gospel.

John the Baptist was a prophet.

Women are prophets.

God pours out his Spirit on men and women.

I never said women couldn’t teach the gospel. It just matters where and how and who.
If your....women can be pulpit preachers doctrine is correct then show me all of the examples of it taking place in the newly built church of the first century? We should see plenty of examples. But!!!! we don’t! Not one!
Where does it say....all “prophets” preach to a mixed assembly of the church.
In acts 21 we are told that Philip had four daughters that prophesied. Does the text ever give an example of them “prophesying” in the church to a mixed assembly? If so? Where is it? We see examples of Philip out preaching the gospel. Does it ever say his daughters did it? No!
You people project into the text things that aren’t there. You make it up. I would hate to take that position to the judgment.

David supposed that he could build the temple in 1 Samuel. Nathan (the prophet) even agreed. But God intervened and said.....when did I ever tell you you could do this?
God has NEVER told the church that women can preach. To the contrary he has told the church just the opposite.

 

[JLB]

I never said women couldn’t teach the gospel. It just matters where and how and who.

Ok so we agree that God is not limited to who He sends to preach the Gospel.

 

[jaybo]

And I indicated to you that you don't seem to understand what "legalism" is - that, or our definitions of the term differ widely.



I don't believe this at all. Liberal "theologians" may be eager to cast doubt on the authorship of the Pauline epistles, as they are eager to do with all of the Bible, diminishing the supernatural nature of God's word in so doing, but I think their contentions are weak and spurious.

"Genuineness.—The ancient Church never doubted of their being canonical and written by Paul. They are in the Peschito Syriac version of the second century. Muratori's Fragment on the Canon of Scripture, at the close of the second century, acknowledges them as such. Irenæus [Against Heresies, 1; 3.3.3; 4.16.3; 2.14.8; 3.11.1; 1.16.3], quotes 1Ti 1:4, 9; 1Ti 6:20; 2Ti 4:9-11; Titus 3:10. Clement of Alexandria [Miscellanies, 2, p. 457; 3, pp. 534, 536; 1, p. 350], quotes 1Ti 6:1, 20; Second Timothy, as to deaconesses; Titus 1:12. Tertullian [The Prescription against Heretics, 25; 6], quotes 1Ti 6:20; 2Ti 1:14; 1Ti 1:18; 1Ti 6:13, &c. 2Ti 2:2; Titus 3:10, 11. Eusebius includes the three in the "universally acknowledged" Scriptures. Also Theophilus of Antioch [To Autolychus, 3.14], quotes 1Ti 2:1, 2; Titus 3:1, and Caius (in Eusebius [Ecclesiastical History, 6.20]) recognizes their authenticity. Clement of Rome, in the end of the first century, in his first Epistle to the Corinthians [29], quotes 1Ti 2:8. Ignatius, in the beginning of the second century, in Epistle to Polycarp, [6], alludes to 2Ti 2:4. Polycarp, in the beginning of the second century [Epistle to the Philippians, 4], alludes to 2Ti 2:4; and in the ninth chapter to 2Ti 4:10. Hegisippus, in the end of the second century, in Eusebius [Ecclesiastical History, 3.32], alludes to 1Ti 6:3, 20. Athenagoras, in the end of the second century, alludes to 1Ti 6:16. Justin Martyr, in the middle of the second century [Dialogue with Trypho, 47], alludes to Titus 3:4. The Gnostic Marcion alone rejected these Epistles."

A Commentary: Critical, Experimental, and Practical on the Old and New Testaments - Jamieson, Fawcett and Brown.



I disagree and have already posted as to why in this thread. Feel free to go back to my first post in this thread and read what I wrote.



As I already pointed out, God's word does not allow for domination of men over women (1 Peter 5:1-3; Galatians 5:13; Romans 12:5; Galatians 3:28, etc.), though it does prohibit women from fulfilling a role God has reserved for men (ie. the office of Pastor/Elder). How this prohibition equates to domination - especially in light of the passages cited - I have no idea.

Islam is a false, anachronistic religion. Is it any surprise, then, that women are oppressed by it? No reasonable interpretation of the New Testament could ever arrive at the same oppressive treatment of them. But, again, this does not mean God has not established certain gender-specific roles. He has.

I totally disagree. I have stated my thoughts on the matter so I won't try to debate this any longer. Believe what you want.

 

[electedbyHim]

I totally disagree. I have stated my thoughts on the matter so I won't try to debate this any longer. Believe what you want.

Thank you for admitting they are just your thoughts.