Catholic Church Abrogates Holy Day

[reddogs]

Well this is interesting, the Catholic Church can 'abrogate' its Holy Days when it fits them, it seems even Sunday. It seems that in the US, the the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) stipulates that when certain feast days fall on a Saturday or Monday, the obligation to attend Mass on that day is “abrogated.” So if you look in the dictionary it means 'To abolish:
Abrogated means to abolish by authoritative, official, or formal action1. It is the past simple and past participle of the verb "abrogate"2. The verb "abrogate" means to end a law, agreement, or custom formally3'...

They have set up Holy Days of obligation of which Sunday is a part as we see.

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains holy days of obligation this way:

On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.

Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest...

The Code of Canon Law spells out when the holy days of obligation are on the Church’s universal calendar:

Can. 1246 §1. Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. The following days must also be observed:

the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Epiphany,
the Ascension,
the Body and Blood of Christ,
Holy Mary the Mother of God,
her Immaculate Conception,
her Assumption,
Saint Joseph,
Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles,
and All Saints.
These ten are the exact holy days of obligation that are celebrated in Vatican City, but there is variation elsewhere (including in Italy). The reason is that the Code of Canon Law goes on to state:

Can. 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday."

So the Pope can allow it to be 'abrogated' or 'suppressed' and that became a issue this month on Dec. 8 which is typically a holy day of obligation celebrating the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception, but this year the feast day lands on a Sunday in Advent. As a result, the USCCB transferred it to Monday, Dec. 9, according to the 2024 USCCB liturgical calendar.

Here is the full article...https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/260207/vatican-holy-days-of-obligation-not-dispensed-if-transferred-to-a-monday

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Well this is interesting, the Catholic Church can 'abrogate' its Holy Days when it fits them, it seems even Sunday. It seems that in the US, the the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) stipulates that when certain feast days fall on a Saturday or Monday, the obligation to attend Mass on that day is “abrogated.” So if you look in the dictionary it means 'To abolish:
Abrogated means to abolish by authoritative, official, or formal action1. It is the past simple and past participle of the verb "abrogate"2. The verb "abrogate" means to end a law, agreement, or custom formally3'...

They have set up Holy Days of obligation of which Sunday is a part as we see.

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains holy days of obligation this way:

On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.

Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest...

The Code of Canon Law spells out when the holy days of obligation are on the Church’s universal calendar:

Can. 1246 §1. Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. The following days must also be observed:

the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Epiphany,
the Ascension,
the Body and Blood of Christ,
Holy Mary the Mother of God,
her Immaculate Conception,
her Assumption,
Saint Joseph,
Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles,
and All Saints.
These ten are the exact holy days of obligation that are celebrated in Vatican City, but there is variation elsewhere (including in Italy). The reason is that the Code of Canon Law goes on to state:

Can. 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday."

So the Pope can allow it to be 'abrogated' or 'suppressed' and that became a issue this month on Dec. 8 which is typically a holy day of obligation celebrating the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception, but this year the feast day lands on a Sunday in Advent. As a result, the USCCB transferred it to Monday, Dec. 9, according to the 2024 USCCB liturgical calendar.

Here is the full article...https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/260207/vatican-holy-days-of-obligation-not-dispensed-if-transferred-to-a-monday

Among other obligations that the Catholic Church has decreed, this kind of authoritative telling of what members must do is the hierarchical setup in that church to which I strongly object and which would keep me away from considering membership in that church. It doesn't alow for personal choice.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

Agreed. There is a fairly easy basis that I learned fairly recently.

Christ the Lord has told us all to never swear vows, at all, ever, no matter whether they involve God or not. He has said that all such behavior, everything more than saying yes and no, is of evil. This in Matthew 5.

In Acts 21, we have it recorded that Paul and four others were not yet in repentance of this, and in direct consequence, because of their vows, participated in defamation of the Sacrifice of Christ the Lord, at the Temple in Jerusalem. Later on, God destroyed that temple as He promised, and I will suggest, prevented it from being rebuilt.

Many of the churches have disregarded that which the Lord has said concerning the swearing of vows, and in those churches, one cannot be called (in their church-law) any of baptized, confirmed, pastor, priest, bishop, monk, nun, or anything else formal, without swearing prescribed vows. And when one swears a vow, there is consequence to the swearer. For more than one thousand years the consequences of these vows piled up in the churches, because so many of the vows included obedience to other people who had sworn vows. Only in the last two hundred years or so, as the Comforter has driven disrespect for sworn vows, have people become increasingly free of them, free to openly love more of that which Christ the Lord has said, in direct opposition to many of the words of so many churches and nation-states.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Agreed. There is a fairly easy basis that I learned fairly recently.

Christ the Lord has told us all to never swear vows, at all, ever, no matter whether they involve God or not. He has said that all such behavior, everything more than saying yes and no, is of evil. This in Matthew 5.

In Acts 21, we have it recorded that Paul and four others were not yet in repentance of this, and in direct consequence, because of their vows, participated in defamation of the Sacrifice of Christ the Lord, at the Temple in Jerusalem. Later on, God destroyed that temple as He promised, and I will suggest, prevented it from being rebuilt.

Many of the churches have disregarded that which the Lord has said concerning the swearing of vows, and in those churches, one cannot be called (in their church-law) any of baptized, confirmed, pastor, priest, bishop, monk, nun, or anything else formal, without swearing prescribed vows. And when one swears a vow, there is consequence to the swearer. For more than one thousand years the consequences of these vows piled up in the churches, because so many of the vows included obedience to other people who had sworn vows. Only in the last two hundred years or so, as the Comforter has driven disrespect for sworn vows, have people become increasingly free of them, free to openly love more of that which Christ the Lord has said, in direct opposition to many of the words of so many churches and nation-states.

So, do you say that wedding vows are wrong too?

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

So, do you say that wedding vows are wrong too?

There are marriages based on sworn vows, under that word and not, and there are marriages based on simple holy agreements and truth and love, whether the word "vow" is originally used or not. The "ball and chain" concept is the ongoing sworn vow, which must be repented (rarely, never extant) by both, if a marriage is to grow in holiness over time. There are many peoples in this world, including (I am told) all Orthodox churches, where there are no sworn vows.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Well, when I was a pastor, I gave premarital counseling, in which I gave them the full teachings about marriage in the Bible. During the ceremony, since they knew what God's Word said about it and had agreed with it ahead of time, the vows were a public affirmation of our meetings. As a result, it was their responsibility, not mine anymore, how or if they carried it out. (The first marriage I celebrated with the couple resulted in a divorce, sadly!)

 

[follower]

It looks impossible to learn the truth on a forum. Christianforun rules require rules be enforced preventing truth about the antichrist neverbe posted, so who has a chance to ever learn truth ?

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

It looks impossible to learn the truth on a forum. Christianforun rules require rules be enforced preventing truth about the antichrist neverbe posted, so who has a chance to ever learn truth ?

To what rule do you refer?

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

It looks impossible to learn the truth on a forum. Christianforun rules require rules be enforced preventing truth about the antichrist neverbe posted, so who has a chance to ever learn truth ?

I have a lot of other things to concern myself with besides the antichrist like the sins that still tempt me. But I suggest to you that different Christian forums have different rules. In other forums, you might find the information you look for.

 

[donny77]

The Church demonstrates flexibility in its approach to Holy Days which especially applies to Sundays and feast days. The choice between tradition and practical matters centers around picking suitable times for holidays based on which day of the week they fall. According to my research this practice of rescheduling or eliminating Mass connects to a wider Church framework that combines respect for community schedule with proper adherence to teachings. People should monitor the transformations in USCCB and Vatican policies.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

People should monitor the transformations in USCCB and Vatican policies.

Why?

 

[JLB]

So the Pope can allow it to be 'abrogated' or 'suppressed' and that became a issue this month on Dec. 8 which is typically a holy day of obligation celebrating the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception

Do you understand what the (man made) term “Immaculate Conception” refers to ?

 

[Walpole]

Do you understand what the (man made) term “Immaculate Conception” refers to ?

On the feast of the Immaculate Conception in 1527, the founder and progenitor of Protestantism, Martin Luther, preached the following sermon on original sin…

“Today is the festival of the Virgin Mary, celebrating that she was conceived without original sin…”

https://books.google.com/books?id=X...he mother of God"&pg=PA42#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[Walpole]

Well this is interesting, the Catholic Church can 'abrogate' its Holy Days when it fits them, it seems even Sunday. It seems that in the US, the the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) stipulates that when certain feast days fall on a Saturday or Monday, the obligation to attend Mass on that day is “abrogated.” So if you look in the dictionary it means 'To abolish:
Abrogated means to abolish by authoritative, official, or formal action1. It is the past simple and past participle of the verb "abrogate"2. The verb "abrogate" means to end a law, agreement, or custom formally3'...

They have set up Holy Days of obligation of which Sunday is a part as we see.

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains holy days of obligation this way:

On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.

Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest...

The Code of Canon Law spells out when the holy days of obligation are on the Church’s universal calendar:

Can. 1246 §1. Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. The following days must also be observed:

the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Epiphany,
the Ascension,
the Body and Blood of Christ,
Holy Mary the Mother of God,
her Immaculate Conception,
her Assumption,
Saint Joseph,
Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles,
and All Saints.
These ten are the exact holy days of obligation that are celebrated in Vatican City, but there is variation elsewhere (including in Italy). The reason is that the Code of Canon Law goes on to state:

Can. 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday."

So the Pope can allow it to be 'abrogated' or 'suppressed' and that became a issue this month on Dec. 8 which is typically a holy day of obligation celebrating the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception, but this year the feast day lands on a Sunday in Advent. As a result, the USCCB transferred it to Monday, Dec. 9, according to the 2024 USCCB liturgical calendar.

Here is the full article...https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/260207/vatican-holy-days-of-obligation-not-dispensed-if-transferred-to-a-monday

Binding and loosing...

 

[JLB]

On the feast of the Immaculate Conception in 1527, the founder and progenitor of Protestantism, Martin Luther, preached the following sermon on original sin…

“Today is the festival of the Virgin Mary, celebrating that she was conceived without original sin…”

https://books.google.com/books?id=XfLCU2Nkxa8C&lpg=RA1-PA145&dq="Today the festival of our dear lady, the mother of God"&pg=PA42#v=onepage&q&f=false

Blasphemy. Totally unbiblical.

 

[Walpole]

Blasphemy. Totally unbiblical.

Do you have services in Christmas if it falls on say a Tuesday?

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

On the feast of the Immaculate Conception in 1527, the founder and progenitor of Protestantism, Martin Luther, preached the following sermon on original sin…

“Today is the festival of the Virgin Mary, celebrating that she was conceived without original sin…”

https://books.google.com/books?id=XfLCU2Nkxa8C&lpg=RA1-PA145&dq="Today the festival of our dear lady, the mother of God"&pg=PA42#v=onepage&q&f=false

Indeed. I shall recommend that all repent of Roman, Lutheran, and all other baptismal vows.

34 but I say to you not to swear at all; neither by Heaven...but let your word be, Yes, Yes, No, No, and that which is more than these is of the evil [one].
Matthew 5:34-37

 

[JLB]

Do you have services in Christmas if it falls on say a Tuesday?

Christmas has nothing to do with scripture or anything else and has nothing to do with services.

Everyday of the week is the day to serve God and honor and worship Him.

 

[Walpole]

Christmas has nothing to do with scripture or anything else and has nothing to do with services.

Is the birth of Christ not in your Scriptures?

Everyday of the week is the day to serve God and honor and worship Him.

So I take that as a no and hence your church too abrogates holy days if Christmas falls on a day other than Sunday.

 

[Walpole]

Indeed. I shall recommend that all repent of Roman, Lutheran, and all other baptismal vows.

34 but I say to you not to swear at all; neither by Heaven...but let your word be, Yes, Yes, No, No, and that which is more than these is of the evil [one].
Matthew 5:34-37

What are "Roman, Lutheran and all other baptismal vows" you think Christians should repent of and renounce?