Catholic Propaganda Calling Christians False Christians

[Heidi]

When you begin your spiritual journey in truth, instead of man's traditions, you will begin to understand as the Spirit gives you understanding of false doctrines, doctrines of devils, lies, and religiosity of man instead of sanctification of the Spirit of God, and the truth from the Word of God.

That's a non-answer and a cheesy personal attack. Why do you avoid the point I made, and attack me with your assessment of my spiritual walk?
It wouldn't be because you don't have a good answer, would it?

Why would you call my statement of fact a "cheesy attack"? I am calling your stance exactly as you portray it. I would hope that you come out of your bondage and become born of the Holy Spirit so that we can be brothers in Christ.

Amen!

 

[Klee shay]

Matthew 28:19 actually says in my traditional King James version of the bible...

Go ye therefore, and TEACH all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Nothing about making disciples of all nations there.

And Matthew 28:20 says...

Teaching them to OBSERVE all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Nothing about forced obedience otherwise known as slavery.

The scriptures bear witness to continued authority in the Church among Elders (presvyteros and episkopos) and deacons (diakonos).

Really? Where specifically. I can recall Paul writing that we should not take religious titles for ourselves, such that would elevate us above others.

So what we're really talking about here is interpretation. My bible version emphasising choice while your bible version emphasises a comfortable job description to carry out.

The actual Apostles were mostly illiterate; saving Paul, so the scriptures were written by all sorts of people (inspired by God of course) but written in their native understanding of the world. For example, Greeks placed great importance on knowledge while Hebrews placed great importance on tradition and ritual.

Which translation actually bears more of the truth? No one honestly knows save the Lord and the Holy Spirit which tesitifies of him.

I'm not saying the bible isn't a credible source of God's intentions for mankind, however, when we follow it literally without reasoning it with the gift of the Holy Spirit we are open to the influences of the generations/cultures who scripted the bible - not the actual truth God was getting at.

The evidence to show that man has gotten it wrong in interpretation before, is the entire Old testiment. His children failed, rebelled against God and then after they were severely punished, they asked God to have mercy on them again to redeem his people. Which he did, but there was a pattern emerging. Peace and prosperity, rebellion against God then punishement from God as he turned away from his rebellious children, and finally redemption when they asked God to take pity on them.

The Old Testiment was written in part during this time. While everyone does their best to represent the Lord and the scriptures (even today) we are bound to have some personal interest in there - yes, even in the churches. Just noting the difference in interpretation from your bible and mine - who's version is right? Neither of us can say that we know for certain either version is without blemish.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

When you begin your spiritual journey in truth, instead of man's traditions, you will begin to understand as the Spirit gives you understanding of false doctrines, doctrines of devils, lies, and religiosity of man instead of sanctification of the Spirit of God, and the truth from the Word of God.

That's a non-answer and a cheesy personal attack. Why do you avoid the point I made, and attack me with your assessment of my spiritual walk?
It wouldn't be because you don't have a good answer, would it?

Why would you call my statement of fact a "cheesy attack"? I am calling your stance exactly as you portray it. I would hope that you come out of your bondage and become born of the Holy Spirit so that we can be brothers in Christ.

Do you believe that you cannot be a Christian while being part of the Catholic Church?

I would have to disagree with that. While I do not agree with all of it, I would think that a far fetched idea to put Jesus into a denominational box like that.

 

[Solo]

[quote="Orthodox Christian":d8aa7]

When you begin your spiritual journey in truth, instead of man's traditions, you will begin to understand as the Spirit gives you understanding of false doctrines, doctrines of devils, lies, and religiosity of man instead of sanctification of the Spirit of God, and the truth from the Word of God.

That's a non-answer and a cheesy personal attack. Why do you avoid the point I made, and attack me with your assessment of my spiritual walk?
It wouldn't be because you don't have a good answer, would it?

Why would you call my statement of fact a "cheesy attack"? I am calling your stance exactly as you portray it. I would hope that you come out of your bondage and become born of the Holy Spirit so that we can be brothers in Christ.

Do you believe that you cannot be a Christian while being part of the Catholic Church?

I would have to disagree with that. While I do not agree with all of it, I would think that a far fetched idea to put Jesus into a denominational box like that.[/quote:d8aa7]
The RCC does not teach salvation through Jesus Christ, it teaches salvation through the RCC. If one is saved in the RCC then they are only able to grow spiritually as they study God's word on their own, apart from the false doctrine of the RCC. I know true believers that continue to attend the RCC, and the reason for their continued attendence is to lead others to Jesus Christ. One lady who I led to Jesus Christ was a forty year old member of the RCC, and she recognized that she had a void in her heart. She told me that she knew that that void could only be filled with Jesus, but she didn't know how to do that. She became a believer that night with no help from the RCC.

Do I believe that most that attend the RCC are believers? No. Many RC believe that they are heaven bound because they belong to the RCC and they participate in the sacraments. The Roman Catholics that I have had contact with are not Bible literate, and they don't know what they believe. They believe that they are good catholics, but that is about the extent of it.

The Pharisees and Saduccees of Jesus time were the leaders of the "chosen" people. Jesus called these leaders of their father the devil. Why? Because they professed the God of Abraham as their God but they did not know Jesus. Read John 8. Should we be surprised that there might be the same hierchy in a religious system today?

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Matthew 28:19 actually says in my traditional King James version of the bible...

Go ye therefore, and TEACH all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Nothing about making disciples of all nations there.

And Matthew 28:20 says...

Teaching them to OBSERVE all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Nothing about forced obedience otherwise known as slavery.

The scriptures bear witness to continued authority in the Church among Elders (presvyteros and episkopos) and deacons (diakonos).

Really? Where specifically. I can recall Paul writing that we should not take religious titles for ourselves, such that would elevate us above others.

So what we're really talking about here is interpretation. My bible version emphasising choice while your bible version emphasises a comfortable job description to carry out.

The actual Apostles were mostly illiterate; saving Paul, so the scriptures were written by all sorts of people (inspired by God of course) but written in their native understanding of the world. For example, Greeks placed great importance on knowledge while Hebrews placed great importance on tradition and ritual.

Which translation actually bears more of the truth? No one honestly knows save the Lord and the Holy Spirit which tesitifies of him.

I'm not saying the bible isn't a credible source of God's intentions for mankind, however, when we follow it literally without reasoning it with the gift of the Holy Spirit we are open to the influences of the generations/cultures who scripted the bible - not the actual truth God was getting at.

The evidence to show that man has gotten it wrong in interpretation before, is the entire Old testiment. His children failed, rebelled against God and then after they were severely punished, they asked God to have mercy on them again to redeem his people. Which he did, but there was a pattern emerging. Peace and prosperity, rebellion against God then punishement from God as he turned away from his rebellious children, and finally redemption when they asked God to take pity on them.

The Old Testiment was written in part during this time. While everyone does their best to represent the Lord and the scriptures (even today) we are bound to have some personal interest in there - yes, even in the churches. Just noting the difference in interpretation from your bible and mine - who's version is right? Neither of us can say that we know for certain either version is without blemish.

Don't take my word for it, or the word of your present influence. Go study the passage that I translated for you, and see for yourself, Jesus said to make disciples of all nations, and that we were to be taught to obey. Do you think He would command us to obey whatever it is we feel like? No, all that He commanded- ie, the gospel.
Study to show yourself approved. There are translation aids online. See for yourself.

 

[Remember]

Very Interesting, indeed

 

[Klee shay]

Go study the passage that I translated for you

God's my translator. I think I'll stick with him.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Go study the passage that I translated for you

God's my translator. I think I'll stick with him.

If God's your translator, you don't even need the English translation- just go with what 'He' tell you.

 

[Heidi]

[quote="Klee shay":d5575]

Go study the passage that I translated for you

God's my translator. I think I'll stick with him.

If God's your translator, you don't even need the English translation- just go with what 'He' tell you.[/quote:d5575]

1 John 2:27, "As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you."

1 Co. 2:15-16, "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment. For who knows the mind of the Lord to instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

1 Co. 2:11, "For who knows the thoughts of a man except the man's sprit within him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except God's Spirit."

So until you receive the Holy Spirit, Orthodox, not only are you in no postition to instruct anyone about God, but according to the bible, you cannot know God. And not believing the bible will never qualifiy you to instruct anyone about God.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

[quote="Klee shay":157a7]

Go study the passage that I translated for you

God's my translator. I think I'll stick with him.

If God's your translator, you don't even need the English translation- just go with what 'He' tell you.

1 John 2:27, "As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you."

1 Co. 2:15-16, "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment. For who knows the mind of the Lord to instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

1 Co. 2:11, "For who knows the thoughts of a man except the man's sprit within him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except God's Spirit."

So until you receive the Holy Spirit, Orthodox, not only are you in no postition to instruct anyone about God, but according to the bible, you cannot know God. And not believing the bible will never qualifiy you to instruct anyone about God.[/quote:157a7]
Well, Heidi, since I have the Spirit, your closing remarks are of no account (moot).

I am in no more or less position to teach, for having the Spirit does not a teacher make, but God's appointing does "for He has given some as Apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers."

The teaching gift is not universal in the Body. Nor is it limited to Pastors. But to use a scripture to suggest that no one requires a teacher is tantamount to distorting the whole counsel of God.

Your propensity to do so, oft demonstrated on this board, would indicate that teaching is not a gifting of yours.

Your small screed contained the following implicit positions:

• Knowing Greek is irrelevant to the study of scripture (this was Klee shay's point, and you have only piggybacked upon it)
  
  No one needs any teachers, just the Holy Spirit
  
  James is an unredeemed sinner

Of these points, the first two are demonstrably false and foolish. The third point is something that cannot be proved by me, nor am I especially interested in accounting myself before a hostile. God will judge between you and I, may He have mercy on us both.

 

[Heidi]

Sorry, but again the bible says otherwise. Where do you think Paul got his teachings from? The tooth fairy? :o The NT had not been written at that point because Paul wrote most of it from his revelations of the Holy Spirit! And as I already pointed out, 1 John also tells us that those of us who have been anointed need no teacher which again contradicts your teachings. And since most of your teaching does not come from the bible, but your imagination, then as Paul says, that is a false teacher. And he specifically tells us how to recognize them. The definition of a wolf in sheep's clothing is one who declares he is from God, but his words and/or actions contradict the Word of God. The bible was written by the same Spirit that all born again believers receive which is why born again believers do not contradict the bible. And most of your arguments on this forum come between you and those who believe the bible. if you believed the bible, then you would not argue with those who do. ;-)

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Sorry, but again the bible says otherwise. Where do you think Paul got his teachings from? The tooth fairy? :o The NT had not been written at that point because Paul wrote most of it from his revelations of the Holy Spirit! And as I already pointed out, 1 John also tells us that those of us who have been anointed need no teacher which again contradicts your teachings.

Actually, by taking this verse out of context, you have set the word of God at contradiction with itself. Why does God appoint in the Body pastors and teachers, as it is written in Ephesians, if teachers are not necessary? Why does Paul tell Timothy to teach, exhort, and rebuke? Why does Jesus tell his disciples (the Apostles) in Matthew 28 to make disciples of all nations? You do know that discipling and teaching are synonymous???

This is the problem when the unfit (you, in this case) begin to take pieces of scripture and try to make doctrine from them. The whole counsel of scripture must be taught.

And since most of your teaching does not come from the bible, but your imagination, then as Paul says, that is a false teacher. And he specifically tells us how to recognize them. The definition of a wolf in sheep's clothing is one who declares he is from God, but his words and/or actions contradict the Word of God. The bible was written by the same Spirit that all born again believers receive which is why born again believers do not contradict the bible.

I have demonstrated that you have made the scriptures contradict themselves. John's statement is captured well in the NLT:

But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you all things, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So continue in what he has taught you, and continue to live in Christ.

Again, he is not teaching that they don't need a teacher- that would be contradictory in intent. Rather, he is saying, in effect, "I don't need to explain to you the difference between what is obviously true and that which is obviously false. Teaching that Christ did not come in the flesh is obviously false."

And most of your arguments on this forum come between you and those who believe the bible. if you believed the bible, then you would not argue with those who do. ;-)

Most of my arguments on this forum come between I and those with whom I disagree. In some of the cases, such as yours, the distortion is obvious. In some cases, much more subtle, or better defended.

I "believe in" Christ. I believe the bible to be a true witness of Him, in its full counsel.

 

[Solo]

Most of this is political double-talk to protect the orthodox beliefs, which subvert the truth of scriptures. The orthodox bunch did not even exist until far after the body of Christ was formed. The ortho bunch formed inorder to control the masses since persecution did not destroy the Word of God and the Church. The scriptures were kept from the people, and those that had the truth were murdered as heretics in the name of doing God's service.

It amazes me how those that are affiliated with the RCC and other ortho practices can continue to rewrite the truths of scripture inorder to appease their false worship standards and beliefs.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Most of this is political double-talk to protect the orthodox beliefs, which subvert the truth of scriptures. The orthodox bunch did not even exist until far after the body of Christ was formed. The ortho bunch formed inorder to control the masses since persecution did not destroy the Word of God and the Church. The scriptures were kept from the people, and those that had the truth were murdered as heretics in the name of doing God's service.

It amazes me how those that are affiliated with the RCC and other ortho practices can continue to rewrite the truths of scripture inorder to appease their false worship standards and beliefs.

You have no idea what my intent is, and I will not even bother to debate your subliterate rendering of ecclesiastical history.

Care to address the scriptures I posted, or are you going to engage in further subversions of the discussion?

1: Does John's statement "you need no teacher" exemplify a contradiction in the bible with the other portions that highlight teaching as a gift given to the Body to strengthen the Body?

2:Does Jesus command the Apostles to teach the people or not?

3: Does Paul command Timothy to teach exhort, and rebuke- or not?

4: Do you ever address points, or simply take discussions off topic by engaging in ad hominems?

 

[Solo]

Most of this is political double-talk to protect the orthodox beliefs, which subvert the truth of scriptures. The orthodox bunch did not even exist until far after the body of Christ was formed. The ortho bunch formed inorder to control the masses since persecution did not destroy the Word of God and the Church. The scriptures were kept from the people, and those that had the truth were murdered as heretics in the name of doing God's service.

It amazes me how those that are affiliated with the RCC and other ortho practices can continue to rewrite the truths of scripture inorder to appease their false worship standards and beliefs.

You have no idea what my intent is, and I will not even bother to debate your subliterate rendering of ecclesiastical history.

Care to address the scriptures I posted, or are you going to engage in further subversions of the discussion?

1: Does John's statement "you need no teacher" exemplify a contradiction in the bible with the other portions that highlight teaching as a gift given to the Body to strengthen the Body?

It is only a contradiction to those who do not understand the Word of God.

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 John 2:27

Without the Holy Spirit man can not learn the things of God, and without the Holy Spirit man can not teach the things of God. The Holy Spirit directs what and how the believer is taught. Sometimes the Holy Spirit uses men to teach others, and sometimes the Holy Spirit teaches individuals through their study of the Word. If a believer were to study God's Word apart from any contact with others, the Holy Spirit would teach him/her. Not a contradiction with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit.

2:Does Jesus command the Apostles to teach the people or not?

Jesus told Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles "to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." Notice that believers are to be sanctified by faith that is in Jesus, not by a faith in an Apostle, a church, a doctrine, etc.

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.Acts 26:14-20

3: Does Paul command Timothy to teach exhort, and rebuke- or not?

The first thing that Paul told Timothy was to charge some that they teach no other doctrine or give heed to fables. He also tells Timothy that some have turned from agape love with a good conscience of an unfeigned faith unto vain jangling.

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

But as I mentioned in point one, God will use men to teach others, but the Holy Spirit must be present within the teacher, and within the student in order for truth to taught. The Holy Spirit is a teacher to each believer, and teaches by manners that He chooses. The Holy Spirit teaches through the Word of God and may teach individual believers one on one as the scripture in 1 John teaches.

4: Do you ever address points, or simply take discussions off topic by engaging in ad hominems?

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7

You are just receiving what you dish out.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

4: Do you ever address points, or simply take discussions off topic by engaging in ad hominems?

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7

You are just receiving what you dish out.

[/quote]
You would do well to read the verses that precede:

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

In short, your justifications don't wash. They don't wash as a Christian, they don't wash as a forum moderator.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Orthodox Christian asked:
3: Does Paul command Timothy to teach exhort, and rebuke- or not?

Solo replied:
The first thing that Paul told Timothy was to charge some that they teach no other doctrine or give heed to fables. He also tells Timothy that some have turned from agape love with a good conscience of an unfeigned faith unto vain jangling.


The answer here, without the superfluous trappings is yes.


Orthodox Christian asked:
2:Does Jesus command the Apostles to teach the people or not?

Solo replied:
Jesus told Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles "to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." Notice that believers are to be sanctified by faith that is in Jesus, not by a faith in an Apostle, a church, a doctrine, etc.

Again, minus the unnecessary edits, the answer is yes.

Orthodox Christian asked:
1: Does John's statement "you need no teacher" exemplify a contradiction in the bible with the other portions that highlight teaching as a gift given to the Body to strengthen the Body?

Solo replied:
It is only a contradiction to those who do not understand the Word of God.

And thus you confirm what I was saying to Heidi, which is that she was misrepresenting the full counsel of the scriptures. We could have gotten to that without all of your limp insults and banal commentary, but here we are 1500 words later with two simple, painfully evident truths:
1. Heidi is not cut out to teach, and
2. You should work out your personal issues with me elsewhere

 

[Solo]

[quote="Orthodox Christian":74ece]
4: Do you ever address points, or simply take discussions off topic by engaging in ad hominems?

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7

You are just receiving what you dish out.

You would do well to read the verses that precede:

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

In short, your justifications don't wash. They don't wash as a Christian, they don't wash as a forum moderator.[/quote:74ece]
I know that they don't wash for you and other orthos but if you humble yourself before God he will teach you the truth contained in his scripture apart from man's traditions. I will continue to pray for your walk, and that you may find the love of Jesus to walk therein. Perhaps you should take heed of the same scripture that you posted for me. It may be that your pride comes through more than your love.

PS. You state that you were an evangelical prior to becoming an orthodox; were you saved prior to or as an evangelical or after you joined the orthodox?

 

[Solo]

Orthodox Christian asked:
3: Does Paul command Timothy to teach exhort, and rebuke- or not?

Solo replied:
The first thing that Paul told Timothy was to charge some that they teach no other doctrine or give heed to fables. He also tells Timothy that some have turned from agape love with a good conscience of an unfeigned faith unto vain jangling.


The answer here, without the superfluous trappings is yes.


Orthodox Christian asked:
2:Does Jesus command the Apostles to teach the people or not?

Solo replied:
Jesus told Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles "to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." Notice that believers are to be sanctified by faith that is in Jesus, not by a faith in an Apostle, a church, a doctrine, etc.

Again, minus the unnecessary edits, the answer is yes.

Orthodox Christian asked:
1: Does John's statement "you need no teacher" exemplify a contradiction in the bible with the other portions that highlight teaching as a gift given to the Body to strengthen the Body?

Solo replied:
It is only a contradiction to those who do not understand the Word of God.

And thus you confirm what I was saying to Heidi, which is that she was misrepresenting the full counsel of the scriptures. We could have gotten to that without all of your limp insults and banal commentary, but here we are 1500 words later with two simple, painfully evident truths:
1. Heidi is not cut out to teach, and
2. You should work out your personal issues with me elsewhere

Your integrity is slipping ortho. You only cut and paste portions of my quotes that serve your underhanded purpose. Remind me never to play poker with you without checking your sleeves first. Here is my entire post with the complete answer to your first question "Does John's statement "you need no teacher" exemplify a contradiction in the bible with the other portions that highlight teaching as a gift given to the Body to strengthen the Body?"

It is only a contradiction to those who do not understand the Word of God.

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 John 2:27

Without the Holy Spirit man can not learn the things of God, and without the Holy Spirit man can not teach the things of God. The Holy Spirit directs what and how the believer is taught. Sometimes the Holy Spirit uses men to teach others, and sometimes the Holy Spirit teaches individuals through their study of the Word. If a believer were to study God's Word apart from any contact with others, the Holy Spirit would teach him/her. Not a contradiction with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit.

Heidi is on the money with all of the posts that I have read from her. You might want to be a little more careful on how you attempt to teach, for what I see, Heidi has a much better approach in teaching than you. The love of Jesus shows through her much more than it does others.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Your integrity is slipping ortho.

Not so- but at least it can be said of me that I have integrity to lose.

You only cut and paste portions of my quotes that serve your underhanded purpose

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I didn't quote you in toto because you prattle endlessly when asked a simple yes/no question

Heidi is on the money with all of the posts that I have read from her. You might want to be a little more careful on how you attempt to teach, for what I see, Heidi has a much better approach in teaching than you. The love of Jesus shows through her much more than it does others.

Thanks for this unsolicited and ridiculous Fundie jingoism.