Chilly Workouts

[tim-from-pa]

This article describes how to survive cold, outdoors workouts.

I have a better solution --- skip them and work out indoors. Besides, if you have proper nutrition and resources fed to your body, it does not take much to keep yourself healthy.

I once had a book called Life Extension where the authors (a man and wife team) took nutritional supplements and proper nutrition and had big muscles with only 30 seconds working out daily.

I'll tell you my theory why this works. I came up with my own understanding how the body works, and is "common sense" (otherwise lacking these days). There are resource enhancers aka proper nutrition and restorative relaxation and there are resource depleters aka bad stuff you do to the body such as drugs (prescription or otherwise), injury, exercise, denial of taking in certain foods, etc. When the latter exceeds the former, illness and even death can result.

But wait? Tim_from_pa says exercise is a resource depleter and put that on the "bad" list? He must be full of shoots and ladders. No. Let me explain. When we exercise, we signal the body to "build up" that which we are using, because it puts a strain there. Thus, at rest time the body does so provided it is fueled with the proper nutrients otherwise exercise is harmful. It's the latter thing that most exercisers lack, as they are told to "limit the salt" "limit the fat" limit this and limit that and anything else that makes life enjoyable. Thus they add another resource depleter --- stress and unhappiness (ever see a smiling jogger?). This is why even athletes die just as soon if not sooner than so-called Mr. couch potato. And no, joggers do not live longer.

It's like the law of Moses. Keeping the Law will not make one live. It's because they live they will keep the law.

Now.... apply the same principle. Exercise does not keep one healthy. It's because one is healthy that they can exercise.

The "life extension" man and wife had the right idea. They exercised just enough to signal the body to build those muscles, then they left the "resource enhancers" do the rest. Is that what you hear being taught today? I thought not. Rather... it's exercise like swell until you drop and then you are healthy. :silly

Conquering Chilly Workouts

 

[jasoncran]

bah, just stretch out and warm up throughly.

i run in the cold weather to train for pt and i did so last monday. 2 miles in 38 degrees.

 

[tim-from-pa]

bah, just stretch out and warm up throughly.

i run in the cold weather to train for pt and i did so last monday. 2 miles in 38 degrees.

You're in the military, and they make you do dumb things like that. So I'll make an exception in your case. :toofunny

 

[jasoncran]

the women who arent army run in the cold. i have also seen others do that. most recently marathoners.

its not just us military but also civys that do run and train.

 

[modernnihilst]

This article describes how to survive cold, outdoors workouts.

I have a better solution --- skip them and work out indoors. Besides, if you have proper nutrition and resources fed to your body, it does not take much to keep yourself healthy.

I once had a book called Life Extension where the authors (a man and wife team) took nutritional supplements and proper nutrition and had big muscles with only 30 seconds working out daily.

I'll tell you my theory why this works. I came up with my own understanding how the body works, and is "common sense" (otherwise lacking these days). There are resource enhancers aka proper nutrition and restorative relaxation and there are resource depleters aka bad stuff you do to the body such as drugs (prescription or otherwise), injury, exercise, denial of taking in certain foods, etc. When the latter exceeds the former, illness and even death can result.

But wait? Tim_from_pa says exercise is a resource depleter and put that on the "bad" list? He must be full of shoots and ladders. No. Let me explain. When we exercise, we signal the body to "build up" that which we are using, because it puts a strain there. Thus, at rest time the body does so provided it is fueled with the proper nutrients otherwise exercise is harmful. It's the latter thing that most exercisers lack, as they are told to "limit the salt" "limit the fat" limit this and limit that and anything else that makes life enjoyable. Thus they add another resource depleter --- stress and unhappiness (ever see a smiling jogger?). This is why even athletes die just as soon if not sooner than so-called Mr. couch potato. And no, joggers do not live longer.

It's like the law of Moses. Keeping the Law will not make one live. It's because they live they will keep the law.

Now.... apply the same principle. Exercise does not keep one healthy. It's because one is healthy that they can exercise.

The "life extension" man and wife had the right idea. They exercised just enough to signal the body to build those muscles, then they left the "resource enhancers" do the rest. Is that what you hear being taught today? I thought not. Rather... it's exercise like swell until you drop and then you are healthy. :silly

Conquering Chilly Workouts

I'd be intrested in seeing actual confirmable data on this subject. I've been an athlete for most of my adult life and under no circumstances can one gain muscle mass(true mass not just bulk) in 30 seconds a day only. True muscle mass is dense tight muscle. Size is easy definition is not in regards to building and maintaining muscle. The painfull fact that almost all people forget(or dont even acknowledge) is that what works for one person could kill another when it comes to health and wellness.
In regards as to why most athlets die the same or earlier than most people is injuries that werent taken care of properly when they were actively competing and/or drug useage.

 

[Free]

I'd be intrested in seeing actual confirmable data on this subject. I've been an athlete for most of my adult life and under no circumstances can one gain muscle mass(true mass not just bulk) in 30 seconds a day only. True muscle mass is dense tight muscle. Size is easy definition is not in regards to building and maintaining muscle. The painfull fact that almost all people forget(or dont even acknowledge) is that what works for one person could kill another when it comes to health and wellness.
In regards as to why most athlets die the same or earlier than most people is injuries that werent taken care of properly when they were actively competing and/or drug useage.

Agreed. Mass and strength? Not in 30 seconds a day. I would also suspect that when comparing average persons with no hidden heart issues, etc., the ones that exercise regularly will live longer than those that don't. Those with heart defects and such, exercise may exacerbate the issues and cause them to die sooner, but they would likely die sooner than average anyway. Sitting too long provides other stresses on the body.
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And most everyone who exercises knows that rest and proper nutrition are key. Exercise with proper rest and nutrition is far greater than sitting on the couch getting only rest and proper nutrition.

 

[Mike]

I agree with MN and Free. I strongly believe that many of our health issues (not all by any means) are the destructive result of our sedimentary life styles. That said, we can't keep our typical life style and expect to compensate with a short-cut quicky work out.

Cardio without weight baring exercise is much less effective, because muscle tissue is so highly efficient. I find that I'm much more winded when I'm lifting weights than when I'm doing cardio.

 

[jasoncran]

mike that is odd. i dont get sweaty at all when i lift weights.

but sore as hell! when i do cardio and i push it hard then i do get tired after the rush is over.that said oddly all the asthmatic cough doensnt occur when i run or do wrestle.

now the wrestling is way more tougher on me then running or lifting wieghts. as its neither a set pace where i can get a wind or two and its also involves strength as well.

isometrics does involve strength. if you think yogi are weak then try what they do and see how sore you get.

 

[stovebolts]

People who exercise may not live longer (but I thought I saw a study that showed they did), but over all they live healthier lives! Exercise has also shown to improve memory function and drastically reduce the risk of stroke by keeping prehypertension at bay. I ask you, would you rather live your later years in life dumbed down and the victim of stroke, or would you rather have a sharp(er) mind and be able to move around? Oh, and regular exercise can also reduce the signs of arthritis and running can assist greatly with persons with asthma!

You asked if you've ever seen a jogger with a smile. Yes, all the time! (look at my profile ) Running releases endorphin's that make us feel good and it's proven that it increases thought process, thus making one smarter.

As far as running in the cold, I actually prefer it. Once your body stabilizes it's core temperature which usually takes about a mile the cold air aid's in your workout. Some of my best runs have been in 20 degree or below temperatures because taking in those cold breaths help to keep you cooled off, which means you can run harder and faster without the wasted energy of your body trying to cool itself down.

Where you have to watch out is when it gets below 10 degrees and yes, I've ran long runs of over 10 miles when it's been zero outside. What you have to watch for isn't staying warm because properly layering for and keeping the right pace will keep your core at a perfect temperature, but what you have to watch for when it gets below 10 is lung burn. That's when the air is so cold and dry that it can actually burn your lungs and cause damage. To avoid this, simply wear a light face mask to keep the moisture in and you'll never have a problem.

As far as cross training with weights, I do that three times a week as well. Unfortunately with my metabolism I'm not taking in enough calories per day and now I need to add a calorie supplement because I've lost 8 pounds in the last two weeks.... Not good and I can't afford to lose that kind of weight. But weights compliment cardio and cardio compliments weights. They are a perfect match!

 

[stovebolts]

mike that is odd. i dont get sweaty at all when i lift weights.

but sore as hell! when i do cardio and i push it hard then i do get tired after the rush is over.that said oddly all the asthmatic cough doensnt occur when i run or do wrestle.

now the wrestling is way more tougher on me then running or lifting wieghts. as its neither a set pace where i can get a wind or two and its also involves strength as well.

isometrics does involve strength. if you think yogi are weak then try what they do and see how sore you get.

I'm the same way Jason. I don't hardly sweat when I'm lifting weights either but everyone is different in that way. BTW, running has shown to help people with asthma and it actually reduces the symptoms as you know because it builds capillaries and opens up your veins and arteries which lets oxygen absorb more efficiently. And a side effect is lowered cholesterol and lowered blood pressure.

 

[stovebolts]

Agreed. Mass and strength? Not in 30 seconds a day. I would also suspect that when comparing average persons with no hidden heart issues, etc., the ones that exercise regularly will live longer than those that don't. Those with heart defects and such, exercise may exacerbate the issues and cause them to die sooner, but they would likely die sooner than average anyway. Sitting too long provides other stresses on the body.
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And most everyone who exercises knows that rest and proper nutrition are key. Exercise with proper rest and nutrition is far greater than sitting on the couch getting only rest and proper nutrition.

Your right Duane.
I have an Aortic Root Anurism (sp) that I've been told could burst if I lift heavy weights because lifting real heavy weights puts too much stress on the heart. However, staying athletic (with a proper diet) keeps my heart healthy and keeps my blood pressure and cholesterol in line which actually reduces the chance of my heart disease having any negative effects and there are no negative side effects to diet and exercise in relation to my heart disease as opposed to taking prescribed medication to regulate that which I can regulate with a little bit of effort on my part through exercise and diet....

 

[jasoncran]

I'm the same way Jason. I don't hardly sweat when I'm lifting weights either but everyone is different in that way. BTW, running has shown to help people with asthma and it actually reduces the symptoms as you know because it builds capillaries and opens up your veins and arteries which lets oxygen absorb more efficiently. And a side effect is lowered cholesterol and lowered blood pressure.

i can do all the cardio in the world and it wont stop it. i just do get the attacks when i run or wrestle heavy. its a cough that is it but its annoying at times. you have heard me do it over the phone when i talk to you.

 

[modernnihilst]

i can do all the cardio in the world and it wont stop it. i just do get the attacks when i run or wrestle heavy. its a cough that is it but its annoying at times. you have heard me do it over the phone when i talk to you.

The most likely issue with wrestling and asthmatic breathing is most likely caused by stressfull positions. Stressfull as in having to carry someones weight on your chest or back, or just the odd positions we grapplers find ourself in(for a good example look up the Twister submission, I've been in that one several times...not fun). I wish I could still run, but these old knees are falling apart, but the eliptical and the rowing machine work good enough for me.

In regards to the sedentary lifestile a "trick" that worked for my better half is to put a stationary bike(with a back rest) in the den so she can pedle and watch tv, she found that she'd pedle for 3 or 4 shows(1.5-2 hours) without realizing that she was going that long.

 

[stovebolts]

i can do all the cardio in the world and it wont stop it. i just do get the attacks when i run or wrestle heavy. its a cough that is it but its annoying at times. you have heard me do it over the phone when i talk to you.

Ohh, I thought that was just a commie smokers hack from all that weed expanding in your lungs :toofunny

I love ya brother lol!

 

[jasoncran]

i have neither smoked one cigarette nor doobie.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Your right Duane.
I have an Aortic Root Anurism (sp) that I've been told could burst if I lift heavy weights because lifting real heavy weights puts too much stress on the heart. However, staying athletic (with a proper diet) keeps my heart healthy and keeps my blood pressure and cholesterol in line which actually reduces the chance of my heart disease having any negative effects and there are no negative side effects to diet and exercise in relation to my heart disease as opposed to taking prescribed medication to regulate that which I can regulate with a little bit of effort on my part through exercise and diet....

You have it backwards, Steve. Keeping yourself healthy keeps your blood pressure and cholesterol in line. Keeping the blood pressure and cholesterol down does not prevent heart disease or stroke. These conditions result in the high BP and cholesterol. And high cholesterol is not always bad, nor does deducing it reduce heart attack risks one iota. You have to see cholesterol as your friend, not "something to get down" or "something to avoid". That's mainstream junk science perpetuated by natural, unregenerate men which I'm surprised most professing Christians fall for.

 

[Free]

You have it backwards, Steve. Keeping yourself healthy keeps your blood pressure and cholesterol in line. Keeping the blood pressure and cholesterol down does not prevent heart disease or stroke. These conditions result in the high BP and cholesterol. And high cholesterol is not always bad, nor does deducing it reduce heart attack risks one iota. You have to see cholesterol as your friend, not "something to get down" or "something to avoid". That's mainstream junk science perpetuated by natural, unregenerate men which I'm surprised most professing Christians fall for.

There is no difference between science that is done by believers or unbelievers. You, as a non-scientist, really need to provide credible sources to back up your claims.

 

[tim-from-pa]

There is no difference between science that is done by believers or unbelievers. You, as a non-scientist, really need to provide credible sources to back up your claims.

Here's one fine example, if you've been reading my posts (Dr. Douglass):

http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=40348


Now are you an independent thinker or a sheeple? Don't give me "supporting my claims" bullsplat. I can find authorities that back up anything I say, and I'm not one to take things lightly. I'm dead serious in what I say. I get sick and tired of them shoveling their "health advice" down my throat, and people have been following it, and are sicker and dying earlier than ever and then want me to join them in their supposed health quest as well. If anyone can't see that this is the work of the beast's system, then God help them is all I can say. Geeeez. No wonder I believe in the Illuminati.

 

[stovebolts]

i have neither smoked one cigarette nor doobie.

Jk billy!

Hey, so you admit to being a commie :toofunny

 

[stovebolts]

You have it backwards, Steve. Keeping yourself healthy keeps your blood pressure and cholesterol in line. Keeping the blood pressure and cholesterol down does not prevent heart disease or stroke. These conditions result in the high BP and cholesterol. And high cholesterol is not always bad, nor does deducing it reduce heart attack risks one iota. You have to see cholesterol as your friend, not "something to get down" or "something to avoid". That's mainstream junk science perpetuated by natural, unregenerate men which I'm surprised most professing Christians fall for.

What's the difference between "keeping it in line" as opposed to keeping it low? High blood pressure causes the heart to have to work harder and as a result it thickens the muscle of the heart making it less efficient which means it has to work harder... which causes it to thicken and we get the dog chasing it's tail syndrome...

As far as cholesterol, I know that there is "bad" and "good" cholesterol and those two should be in balance. If not, again it puts a strain on the system and too much of the bad and your arteries pay the price, which in turn causes your blood pressure to go up, which in turn caused your heart muscle to abnormally thicken and we're back to chasing our tail.

I think though, that you would agree that a balanced diet and exercise has a positive effect on both blood pressure and cholesterol. So I'm really unsure what your against.