Choosing a Church

[modernnihilst]

Did Jesus speak Greek? Why do i think He spoke Aramaic or Hebrew?

From a historic stand point Jesus is believed to have spoken Aramaic. As to the accuracy of that thought I am unsure. Although he most likely did not speak Greek as there is no record of him ever going there or for that matter anywhere near there. Of that I am fairly sure.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Did Jesus speak Greek? Why do i think He spoke Aramaic or Hebrew?

I think Elijah23's point was we are supposed to be hearing the voice of God for ourselves through the scriptures. For us today in the United States that means hearing him in English. In the first century it meant hearing him in Greek. For the Apostles it meant hearing him in Aramaic (so I'm told).

As much as I also think the errors of denominationalism have ruined so much in the church today, loose cannon theology certainly isn't the answer either. God has ordained teachers to teach his people. Being a loose cannon that doesn't listen to anybody is not God's answer to fix what's wrong with denominations. Our own God given discernment was given to us to be able know who really has God's gift of teaching and who doesn't, not to be our own teacher who doesn't need God's gift of teachers to the church. Choosing a church means firstly that you find a pastor who has the gift of teaching and knows and understands that teaching the Bible should be the foundation of the meeting of the saints. We are not loose cannons that don't need God's gift of leadership that teaches the scriptures with spiritual power and insight. Keep looking if you haven't found it yet.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

From a historic stand point Jesus is believed to have spoken Aramaic. As to the accuracy of that thought I am unsure. Although he most likely did not speak Greek as there is no record of him ever going there or for that matter anywhere near there. Of that I am fairly sure.

I also have been taught that Jesus' native language was Aramaic, but that Greek was the universal language of the day, like English is in the world today.

 

[modernnihilst]

I also have been taught that Jesus' native language was Aramaic, but that Greek was the universal language of the day, like English is in the world today.

To an extent but most people when not dealing in trade would have most likely spoken thier native language. Much like today although English is a universal language those who dont need to speak it rarely(if at all) do, if in fact they can.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

To an extent but most people when not dealing in trade would have most likely spoken thier native language. Much like today although English is a universal language those who dont need to speak it rarely(if at all) do, if in fact they can.

As far as we know, Jesus spoke Aramaic. But the voice of God in the scriptures of the NT went out to the world in Greek. That means God's voice in Greek has different words for 'teacher' and shows us the Apostles were not going against Jesus' teaching that we are not to be called 'teacher' as it appears they were doing in our English scriptures.

I don't care how gifted someone thinks they are, hearing God's voice does not mean knowing that the word 'teacher' in the English scriptures is actually represented by two different Greek words. Sometimes you gotta know and appreciate someone else's knowledge about things, which is perfectly consistent with the Bible truth that God has ordained 'teachers' in the church for that very purpose...and that we can call them that.

 

[Webb]

Hi Jethro

It just wasn't Greek (as we know today) but Koine Greek that was the language of the common man of the day. The Septugint is the Koine Greek translation of the OT.

My pc continues to limp so while it lasts I now refer back to your post # 54.

You wrote: ''THE BIBLE MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A PASTOR AND AN ELDER." Once again I ask WHERE?

You wrote: '' WE KNOW 1) AND ELDER AND A PASTOR ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY ARE PRESENTED IN SCRIPTURE AS TWO DIFFERENT TITLES, AND 2) THE IMPLICATION FROM SCRIPTURE IS THAT THE 'PASTOR' REPRESENTS A LEAD, OR HEAD ROLE OF ONE OF THE ELDERS." For # 1 above the answer is: But only in duties, yet they are the same man. A man may be a husband and also a father, its the same man with different responsibilities. As for your point # 2 above, the "SCRIPTURE" has made No ''IMPLICATION" that the '''PASTOR' REPRESENTS A LEAD, OR HEAD ROLE OF ONE OF THE ELDERS." I shall continue to remind you of this.
You wrote: ''WE KNOW BISHOP AND ELDER ARE PLAINLIY ONE AND THE SAME FROM TITUS 1 ALONE WHERE THE TERMS ARE USED INTERCHANGELABLY IN THE EXACT SAME CONTEXT. BUT THAT SAME KIND OF CONNECTION BETWEEN 'PASTOR' AND 'ELDER' DOES NOT.'' YES it does! I have already shown you from Acts 20 that the context refers to the same men as "elders" AND "overseers." "Elders" are primarily older, thus here we see one function of the office. "Overseers" watch. Thats what Paul told them to do in the same context, and thats a different function of the same class of men. Then Paul told these same men(elders/overseers) to "feed" the "flock". Thats a 3rd function of the same class of men, ALL IN THE SAME CONTEXT. TO ''TAKE HEED'' TO ALL THE FLOCK OVERWHICH THE HOLY GHKOST HATH MADE YOU OVERSEERS" And ''TO FEED THE CHURCH OF GOD" Is the work of pastors." Same thing in I Pet.5:1,2 as I have already show: elders--feed the flock of God---AND ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF ANY LEAD OR HEAD ELDER ARISING FROM AMONG THEM TO MAKE A SEPARATE OFFICE FROM THAT OF ELDER AND OVERSEER----all the same men.
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