[__ Prayer __] Chris ,a man i,hate

[jasonc]

A man some time ago was charged ,convicted of rape,child porn.for some time her ex.my,step child writes to him.I,have said my pov that said a mother of one oh his victims has informed me of things he did and say.

I know despite this Monica still has feelings.

If he steps on my property he dies .

 

[Knotical]

What if he is coming for forgiveness?

 

[jasonc]

What if he is coming for forgiveness?

I have been here with a man who raped my sister ,I,have no,love or like for him.

Jail house salvation is a hard to,believe ,he has said to the police.I refuse to comply for a new trial on the co rapist unless I,walk .

Is that one who is saved?

 

[jasonc]

And with the,man whom raped my,sister I have forgiven him but,I have no,inclination to be around him .

 

[daninthelionsden]

And with the,man whom raped my,sister I have forgiven him but,I have no,inclination to be around him .

You had better sort your feelings out before you may have to face this individual. Forgiveness means wiping out the person's perceived debt to you. No harm. No attempt to "even the score". Think it through. When you think about him....Anger=murder......Fear=self defense.....you feel one or both of those emotions. Sort it out. ANY residual unforgiveness can result in catastrophic consequences. I had to evacuate my home and sell every fire arm I had in order to give myself even a chance at forgiveness. Make forgiveness your TOP priority. NOW. Ask the Lord and find a way no matter how drastic.

 

[jasonc]

You had better sort your feelings out before you may have to face this individual. Forgiveness means wiping out the person's perceived debt to you. No harm. No attempt to "even the score". Think it through. When you think about him....Anger=murder......Fear=self defense.....you feel one or both of those emotions. Sort it out. ANY residual unforgiveness can result in catastrophic consequences. I had to evacuate my home and sell every fire arm I had in order to give myself even a chance at forgiveness. Make forgiveness your TOP priority. NOW. Ask the Lord and find a way no matter how drastic.

He isn't in my,state ,nor,being released any,time soon.if Monica decided to being him,I,would tell her if he comes it trespassing .

She know how I,feel ,he is facing a second set of charges ,so because if Monica ever did see him,after time .I'm not oblidged to like or love him.

Trust a pedophile a sexual predator shouldn't be just oh he repented .he couldn't teach Sunday school in my,state .or work the nursery as those per insurance abd state laws make it as such.they require a background check .

 

[jasonc]

You had better sort your feelings out before you may have to face this individual. Forgiveness means wiping out the person's perceived debt to you. No harm. No attempt to "even the score". Think it through. When you think about him....Anger=murder......Fear=self defense.....you feel one or both of those emotions. Sort it out. ANY residual unforgiveness can result in catastrophic consequences. I had to evacuate my home and sell every fire arm I had in order to give myself even a chance at forgiveness. Make forgiveness your TOP priority. NOW. Ask the Lord and find a way no matter how drastic.

Billy flood,that guy ,I,have no,such desire ti kill,him.I can't despise what one has done and forgive him,and not care for him.

Reread that,not the same person .billy,flood raped my sister prior 1990.I let that go in 98.
Two different people. i wouldnt trust either around chikdren ,they had the propsentity to act on it and did so. You wouldnt allow your grandkids near them.jaci aged 8,surely not .

 

[Knotical]

I have been here with a man who raped my sister ,I,have no,love or like for him.

Jail house salvation is a hard to,believe ,he has said to the police.I refuse to comply for a new trial on the co rapist unless I,walk .

Is that one who is saved?

It doesn't matter if they are saved. If they are, then they more than likely will ask forgiveness of those they have sinned against. If not, then I wouldn't expect even an apology.

But that is not what is important here. As a Christian we are called to have a forgiving heart. That doesn't not, necessarily mean you should forgive him right now, but you should be prepared to at any moment.

God forgave us our sins, how can we do anything less to those who transgress against us?

 

[jasonc]

It doesn't matter if they are saved. If they are, then they more than likely will ask forgiveness of those they have sinned against. If not, then I wouldn't expect even an apology.

But that is not what is important here. As a Christian we are called to have a forgiving heart. That doesn't not, necessarily mean you should forgive him right now, but you should be prepared to at any moment.

God forgave us our sins, how can we do anything less to those who transgress against us?

A man who is still,able or willing to,harm their own ,he raped his own wife ,kids.you,suggest I trust that ?

He is being,charged with,another set of child molestation .and refused to corporate to incarcerate the other man .

Forgiven doesn't mean one should openly,forget and ignore clear signs of danger from the attacker .

 

[Knotical]

A man who is still,able or willing to,harm their own ,he raped his own wife ,kids.you,suggest I trust that ?

He is being,charged with,another set of child molestation .and refused to corporate to incarcerate the other man .

Forgiven doesn't mean one should openly,forget and ignore clear signs of danger from the attacker .

I never said it meant that. What it does mean is simply that we have a forgiving heart, meaning we are ready to forgive should it happen. What it also means is this individual, or situation, has no power over us. We must take our cue from God. If He is willing to forgive if that person genuinely repents of their sins and asks for forgiveness than we must have the same readiness.

I by no means am suggesting that this is an easy thing to consider, but what have we done as sinners that is any worse than this man that God is willing to forgive us?

 

[jasonc]

I never said it meant that. What it does mean is simply that we have a forgiving heart, meaning we are ready to forgive should it happen. What it also means is this individual, or situation, has no power over us. We must take our cue from God. If He is willing to forgive if that person genuinely repents of their sins and asks for forgiveness than we must have the same readiness.

I by no means am suggesting that this is an easy thing to consider, but what have we done as sinners that is any worse than this man that God is willing to forgive us?

I'm,not obliged to trust ,like or love these .

He has 10 years left on his sentence ,

 

[Knotical]

I'm,not obliged to trust ,like or love these .

He has 10 years left on his sentence ,

Actually, we are called to love our enemies, if that is what you consider him.

 

[jasonc]

Actually, we are called to love our enemies, if that is what you consider him.

Would you,love the guy,who raped your sister,would love him,so,much that you,would eat with him ,trust him ,let him teach your kids in,Sunday school?

Legally he couldnt.just because a person repent its foolish to set temptation in front if them.

Ask,an alcoholic about his abstanance from beer .he can't be around it .pedophia I treat the same .so no.

How Should Christians Treat Repentant Pedophiles? - JimmyHinton.org

On September 13, 2009 a small church in Louisville ordained a registered sex offender as a minister of the Gospel. The man was a “changed man,” they demanded. I personally think this was a foolish decision, for a host of reasons. But questions abound on the internet from churches asking what to...

jimmyhinton.org

Perhaps you,don't know,I am,a victim,of sexual assault .it was in my,early 20s.as defined by,the military .I'm not going to go into the difference .ucmj,ids bit different.perhaps you don't sense the ,I'm not trustimg them fully .see the article ,I,agree with it.since at best only 3 percent if rapes are reported and convicted ,what then?

Perhaps your oldest daughter ,a bisexual and was changed by being sexually assaulted her her babysitter .perhaps having the ex husband stalk you,my,wife telling you factual accounts of violent acts ,also attempted rapes of her two,kids and the youngest not regretting the time she saved her mom,by loading,a shotgun,and pointing into,the head of that man and telling him,you may continue to beat my,mom,and your brains will be inside that wall .or stop and live.

My mother ,myself have been stalked by this nut.so this man having made threats to avenge all that incarcerated him,to include his own victims ,cops ,judges etc.I will pass,words must meet evidence.

We don't allow men like that to own guns.they ought to,barred.love in context means restoration.I think long and hard,extremely hard before I will do that .

My wife's ex ran her from her house .I prefer not to go into that piece of crap. Thankfully i havebt seen him in 10 years.he lived near city hall ,and on of my routes,had i saw him,i would have asked for another route .my boss would have obliged.I,refused to work in his truck several times.

 

[Knotical]

Would you,love the guy,who raped your sister,would love him,so,much that you,would eat with him ,trust him ,let him teach your kids in,Sunday school?

Legally he couldnt.just because a person repent its foolish to set temptation in front if them.

Ask,an alcoholic about his abstanance from beer .he can't be around it .pedophia I treat the same .so no.

How Should Christians Treat Repentant Pedophiles? - JimmyHinton.org

On September 13, 2009 a small church in Louisville ordained a registered sex offender as a minister of the Gospel. The man was a “changed man,” they demanded. I personally think this was a foolish decision, for a host of reasons. But questions abound on the internet from churches asking what to...

jimmyhinton.org

Perhaps you,don't know,I am,a victim,of sexual assault .it was in my,early 20s.as defined by,the military .I'm not going to go into the difference .ucmj,ids bit different.perhaps you don't sense the ,I'm not trustimg them fully .see the article ,I,agree with it.since at best only 3 percent if rapes are reported and convicted ,what then?

Perhaps your oldest daughter ,a bisexual and was changed by being sexually assaulted her her babysitter .perhaps having the ex husband stalk you,my,wife telling you factual accounts of violent acts ,also attempted rapes of her two,kids and the youngest not regretting the time she saved her mom,by loading,a shotgun,and pointing into,the head of that man and telling him,you may continue to beat my,mom,and your brains will be inside that wall .or stop and live.

My mother ,myself have been stalked by this nut.so this man having made threats to avenge all that incarcerated him,to include his own victims ,cops ,judges etc.I will pass,words must meet evidence.

We don't allow men like that to own guns.they ought to,barred.love in context means restoration.I think long and hard,extremely hard before I will do that .

My wife's ex ran her from her house .I prefer not to go into that piece of crap. Thankfully i havebt seen him in 10 years.he lived near city hall ,and on of my routes,had i saw him,i would have asked for another route .my boss would have obliged.I,refused to work in his truck several times.

I am not going to suggest any of this should be easy, but the bible is clear on these matters when it comes to being a Christian. Certainly, dealing with this back in Old Testament days would have been, possibly, easier as there are very specific laws regarding these types of sins, but when you look at what Jesus taught in the new testament we are indeed supposed to forgive those who transgress against us. Not just up to 7 times, but seventy times 7 times. Meaning we should not live under the evil that someone else is.

I thank God I have not had to deal with anything like this, and pray that none of my kids do. My wife was a victim of abuse when she was a child at the hands of a cousin, so she is very sensitive when it comes to situations like these.

My suggestion would be to pray that God remove this burden from your heart so that you be able to be at a place where you can forgive.

 

[jasonc]

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I am not going to suggest any of this should be easy, but the bible is clear on these matters when it comes to being a Christian. Certainly, dealing with this back in Old Testament days would have been, possibly, easier as there are very specific laws regarding these types of sins, but when you look at what Jesus taught in the new testament we are indeed supposed to forgive those who transgress against us. Not just up to 7 times, but seventy times 7 times. Meaning we should not live under the evil that someone else is.

I thank God I have not had to deal with anything like this, and pray that none of my kids do. My wife was a victim of abuse when she was a child at the hands of a cousin, so she is very sensitive when it comes to situations like these.

My suggestion would be to pray that God remove this burden from your heart so that you be able to be at a place where you can forgive.

This is more then forgiveness,I can tell you,have no clue from either being a victim or being close.

How does one put a former pedophile in ministry ?

Do you just take his or her word?what if he or she claims to be saved and desires after x amount of years to be in ministry,a pastor of any kind will deal with kids.evangelism to.

This is way more then just well the bible says to forgive.

What is meant by bring forth fruit worthy of repentance ?

Why is that also repeated by Paul ,after john the Baptist said it.?

If you steal,steal no,more and repay those you stole from ,work and repay.yet in most churches we seldom inspect lives to see.in,this case given its sensitivity .i suggest that is unwise .

Now think on,those things from,a step,dads view and see why I'm overprotective .remember that my,sister was forever scarred from her rapes.she will never be the same ,member the victims of those .would you tell them to stay in the church when they have ptsd ,yes rape victims can and do have it.I,personally know a veteran ,who never saw war and has it from,her assault and despised her military career over it and wanted nothing to do with it.it didn't help,her husband was Kia in Iraq.you can't just well ignore them.said verse applies to all.

I may love my sister ,she is a hard one to like,so i don't ,she has driven her sons away.I,have had this discussion with her oldest when he came to me via my mom,for mechanical work.I helped him,get a job.I asked about why he doesn't like his mother,I,already knew the answer,difficult person .

Some people simply can't be liked.with rapists its a million miles beyond that.I have forgiven billy flood,but I will darned if I trust him around a church nursery ,Sunday school class,or with my grandkids.since many churches have kids in the building how would he or she be not tempted to act?

I really don't think you can answer that .

I have stolen,I,repaid those that asked and I found back.which I,didn't really have to look

 

[Knotical]

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This is more then forgiveness,I can tell you,have no clue from either being a victim or being close.

How does one put a former pedophile in ministry ?

Do you just take his or her word?what if he or she claims to be saved and desires after x amount of years to be in ministry,a pastor of any kind will deal with kids.evangelism to.

This is way more then just well the bible says to forgive.

What is meant by bring forth fruit worthy of repentance ?

Why is that also repeated by Paul ,after john the Baptist said it.?

If you steal,steal no,more and repay those you stole from ,work and repay.yet in most churches we seldom inspect lives to see.in,this case given its sensitivity .i suggest that is unwise .

Now think on,those things from,a step,dads view and see why I'm overprotective .remember that my,sister was forever scarred from her rapes.she will never be the same ,member the victims of those .would you tell them to stay in the church when they have ptsd ,yes rape victims can and do have it.I,personally know a veteran ,who never saw war and has it from,her assault and despised her military career over it and wanted nothing to do with it.it didn't help,her husband was Kia in Iraq.you can't just well ignore them.said verse applies to all.

I may love my sister ,she is a hard one to like,so i don't ,she has driven her sons away.I,have had this discussion with her oldest when he came to me via my mom,for mechanical work.I helped him,get a job.I asked about why he doesn't like his mother,I,already knew the answer,difficult person .

Some people simply can't be liked.with rapists its a million miles beyond that.I have forgiven billy flood,but I will darned if I trust him around a church nursery ,Sunday school class,or with my grandkids.since many churches have kids in the building how would he or she be not tempted to act?

I really don't think you can answer that .

I have stolen,I,repaid those that asked and I found back.which I,didn't really have to look

Since we live in the world we do unfortunately these are the problems we face. What do we do with someone who was convicted of these types of crimes who want to attend, and possibly be involved in the church. That really is the question that must be answered by the leadership of the church. There has to be areas people like this can serve that will not put them in situations where they shouldn't be based on their past.

I guess if it came down to it and there was a member who the leadership suddenly wanted to put into children's ministry I would strongly consider attending another church.

 

[jasonc]

Since we live in the world we do unfortunately these are the problems we face. What do we do with someone who was convicted of these types of crimes who want to attend, and possibly be involved in the church. That really is the question that must be answered by the leadership of the church. There has to be areas people like this can serve that will not put them in situations where they shouldn't be based on their past.

I guess if it came down to it and there was a member who the leadership suddenly wanted to put into children's ministry I would strongly consider attending another church.

There isn't .I,dealt with kids as a janitor ,and for that job because the church had a nursery i had to pass the ncic check.

Even attending a church could put them in temptation.

 

[jasonc]

And simply cleaned the nursery ,I wasn't there on,Sundays and they had a nursery five days a week.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Forgiveness does not include having a relationship. Christ never calls us to submit to abusive relationships. Victims don't have to be continuously abused in the name of forgiveness. Forgiveness is just forgiving their perceived debt to you. Doesn't mean you have to keep "doing business" with them. I moved thousands of miles to escape abuse. I'm counting on forgiveness following. My daughter most likely committed a horrendous crime and I have no intention of becoming her next victim. I'll learn to forgive her, but I'm not going to place myself at her mercy in the name of forgiveness.

 

[Christ_empowered]

this is a tough one. i was raped, out in the sodomite world. went to see a dude, age 18, came to in a different room, he was done and i was dazed.

i came to forgive him only recently. how...can i not, now? i have a kind of extreme testimony, maybe (?), so there's that, but...70x7, applies to all of us. the minor debts will hold on to, despite THE LORD choosing to forgive our major debts...

hit home with me, anyway, so I've been praying and forgiving. that's another thing, a cousin emailed me some quality material on this...

in Christ, forgiveness is an action. I forgive. I -do- forgiveness. not because I'm an amazing Christian, but because (by some miracle, I think...) I am now -a Christian-.

but, yeah....forgiveness. after my 1st hospital, heavy involuntary shock, lobotomy...exploitation, big time. pictures, videos...i didn't know till i became the laughing stock of a town and they drove me out...tried to go back to college, more exploitation, sick from untreated HIV+ plus everything else...

labeled, -of course- . he got () around, etc. haha. shrinks...of course....made the victimization worse by further blaming me. oh, and...more shock, another operation, by this point...i really should have (should be?) "a vegetable," to quote a nurse at the 2nd psych ward (they did brain scans).

OK. please, please, please pray for what you need to forgive 70x7, especially this dude you hate. i d on't blame you for hating him. i liked your initial post because i like honesty. i don't know why monica keeps in touch, that disturbs me and i think you might want to see about sitting her down for a talk about what she thinks she's doing, here. praying...pray, pray, pray. when i let my prayer life slip, personally...not good things come out of me and into my life. true story.

forgive 70x7. put aside what is behind and press forward. as a side note, i think hardcore, serial rapists and pedophiles should just be committed, indefinitely. i mean...why not? costs the state a bit more $$$, I guess, but...hey, they'll stay fed and safe(ish), maybe the psych people will be able to figure out what makes some people into hardcore deviants (?), or...

maybe not. but they'll be alive and safe(ish), society will be a tad safer, and it strikes me as at least somewhat more humane (?). i say this as someone who, for obvious reasons, hates psych hospitals,

im taunted. remember how i wrote above about pix and videos? yeah, well...im back in my hometown area, so people say 'he consented!' and 'its not those dudes' fault he's SCHIZOPHRENIC....he consented!' and 'he hates himself, that's why the did it,' and...

for better or for worse, because of all the shock and brain operation(s), I do.not.know what they're talking about. seriously. the little i do remember...bad enough.

sorry to ramble about my own junk, yet again, but...

its really about Jesus. its 2nd about one -big- command from Jesus...to forgive 70x7. and so...

as much as i -hate- that i was operated on and electroshocked, I pray to forgive the doctors. as much as i hate that I was raped, I pray to forgive the rapist. and as much as I hate the taunting over -obvious- sexual exploitation...

i pray to forgive the mockers and the offenders, too. "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us..." something like that, anyway.

im -definitely- a work in progress. talk therapy...pshaw. im done. i dont get it, anyway. i have a counselor who basically talks about the wonders of 'recovery' and the miracle meds, blah blah blah. better that way...an abilify a day, keeps the hospitals away...

forgive 70x7. in a certain sense, because we're both parts of The Body of Christ, we're called to encourage each other, admonish each other, and point to Scripture and point to Christ, who saved (is saving, will save...now, and in the world to come...) both of us, lots of people on CFnet.

'as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another'

please start praying for what you need to forgive 70x7, especially this man. i like that you can write out his name. i still cannot forgive or even mention some who messed me over by name, in prayer or any other way. true story. maybe one day, God willing, I'll get there. maybe.

praying for you and your family.