Chris Angel - Mind Freak

[Mike]

What do you make of this guy? At first pass, the foremost of magicians has been David Copperfield. I've always understood that Copperfield would explain in every show that he was an "illusionist" - not a "magician". He'd basically come right out say what he was doing was fake, and it was nothing but a riddle to figure out how he did what he did. I really like that approach.

Angel makes very different claims to his craft, but I'm not sure if he's being truthful in his claims or if he uses illusion to trick the audience. I don't want to make this an "advice" thread, but I'll say this is where my son and I clash. He really likes Angel who calls his show "Chris Angel - Mind Freak". I say if someone is using this "power" and calling it his own, he is into the occult. If he is performing illusions and pretending to have this power, it's not much better. Leaving observers with the impression that he is able to levitate things, manipulate things with his mind is to lead them into the waters of the occult.

I have to admit, it's fascinating, but evil is alluring. Therefor, I steer clear of his show. I'm wondering what others think of him.

 

[Chris]

i saw a you tube video of him levitating publicly he was using a hidden wire from a crane. Man I was envious, all the times I have had to climb ladders to put light fittings up on ceilings, I wish I could do that. Other than that I haven't really see
n much else.

 

[jasoncran]

What do you make of this guy? At first pass, the foremost of magicians has been David Copperfield. I've always understood that Copperfield would explain in every show that he was an "illusionist" - not a "magician". He'd basically come right out say what he was doing was fake, and it was nothing but a riddle to figure out how he did what he did. I really like that approach.

Angel makes very different claims to his craft, but I'm not sure if he's being truthful in his claims or if he uses illusion to trick the audience. I don't want to make this an "advice" thread, but I'll say this is where my son and I clash. He really likes Angel who calls his show "Chris Angel - Mind Freak". I say if someone is using this "power" and calling it his own, he is into the occult. If he is performing illusions and pretending to have this power, it's not much better. Leaving observers with the impression that he is able to levitate things, manipulate things with his mind is to lead them into the waters of the occult.

I have to admit, it's fascinating, but evil is alluring. Therefor, I steer clear of his show. I'm wondering what others think of him.

one show was all it took for me to realise that he was into the occult.

 

[Oats]

at the beginning of each show he states explicitly that its an illusion

furthermore last i checked he was Christian

he even goes as far as to reveal and teach tricks on his show...

Not so bad, he is

 

[Mike]

If he's said he too was an illusionist, I haven't seen it. I haven't ever heard that he says he's a Christian. I actually spelled his name wrong. It's actually "Criss Angel". Just clarifying... Whatever he might have said about being an illusionist, most people come away with the puzzled belief that he is manipulating these objects, and that alone is dangerous in my opinion. (sorry about all the OMG's in the video)

[video=youtube;mwaXHM9CJG0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwaXHM9CJG0[/video]

 

[Oats]

If he's said he too was an illusionist, I haven't seen it. I haven't ever heard that he says he's a Christian. I actually spelled his name wrong. It's actually "Criss Angel". Just clarifying... Whatever he might have said about being an illusionist, most people come away with the puzzled belief that he is manipulating these objects, and that alone is dangerous in my opinion. (sorry about all the OMG's in the video)

[video=youtube;mwaXHM9CJG0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwaXHM9CJG0[/video]

don't worry,

he has said they were stunts and illusions...

 

[Alabaster]

There is occultishness all over his acts. It doesn't glorify God, but one man, and is a drawing card for the gullible and spiritually empty to seek out darkness.

 

[Oats]

There is occultishness all over his acts. It doesn't glorify God, but one man, and is a drawing card for the gullible and spiritually empty to seek out darkness.

..true

maybe

God knows


...maybe he'll repent

or not

either way I believe he's Christian

 

[Mike]

at the beginning of each show he states explicitly that its an illusion

furthermore last i checked he was Christian

he even goes as far as to reveal and teach tricks on his show...

Not so bad, he is

Oats, I guess I stand corrected. :nod

Criss Angel Questions, Answers, News, Images and Info | ChaCha

"Criss has always been very direct and open about his acts being illusions and tricks, not magic. Criss calls himself an illusionist and escapologist, not a magician, psychic, or other supernaturalist. His conviction is very strong against people reporting to perform actual 'magic' and that showed on an episode of Larry King Live the day before Halloween. Criss said to Larry King that no one has psychic or magical powers and that he would call out and challenge anyone who claimed to have supernatural abilities. The next day, on an episode of the magic talent show Phenomenon where Criss was a judge, Criss called out a contestant who claimed to have psychic abilities to tell him what was in an envolope in his pocket which led to the 2-hour live show going to commercial break while Criss and the contestant were restrained. Criss eventually revealed that the envelope contained an index card with the numbers 9-1-1 on it. Criss then made the point that if any psychic was any good at all he could have warned the world on 9/10/2001, the day before the 9/11 terrorist attacks on America, and saved thousands of lives. Of course none did."

I read in another article that he is Greek Orthodox. I'm not going to judge what's in his heart. That's between him and God. I'll say that if you've been interviewed and have that many chances to profess your faith, and no one really knows where you stand, there's a problem. His show is very occult in nature, to the point of being scary.

It's a bold statement to say that no one has psychic powers in my opinion. C.S. Lewis said there are 2 mistakes people make of demons: dismissing them and obsessing on them. I do believe people can yield to evil and be a conduit for it, and we need to be armed for that spiritual warfare.

 

[Alabaster]

..true

maybe

God knows


...maybe he'll repent

or not

either way I believe he's Christian

As he doesn't proclaim Christ, how do you come to believe that he is a Christian? His life doesn't particularly point to Jesus...it appears to point to himself.

A true believer would be mortified by the reception he receives, in that witnesses to his staged antics are openly marvelling in what they think are spiritual powers, and not attributing them to God. He certainly doesn't attribute anything to God, but allows that kind of marvelling to go on without correction. That is not of God.

On another note, we are not to tempt/test the Lord, which he does regularly with death-defying stunts.

Matthew 4:7
Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’â€

 

[johnny botwright]

I heard about a witch doctor in Africa, who knew satan, better than most christains know Jesus,

A talking shrine, animals taking on demonic forms, strange things flying or other wise, visiting people at night.
He could levitate, people who opposed him, met at times a fatal and painfull death.

Talk of birds spying on people, animals attacking people, films like the omen, when the demonic is present, you may see a raven turn up, black dogs. maybe not far from the truth.?

As we see Jesus on one occasion casting a legion of demons out of one man, that went into a herd of pigs.

So demons can take human or animal hosts.

Attempts were made to bury the shrine and the witch doctors bones, strange things happened to those who tried.

A young pastor, while in prayer, the Lord tolled him to bury the with doctors bones.

this soon became big news, thousands turned out to wittness the event, wondering what would be the fate of this man,
standing on the hills all around,

This young man picked up one of the witch doctors leg bone , as he waved it around, people droped to the ground or ran for cover,

he continuied, today he was going to demonstrate, demon. the power of God, Jesus was greater than the power of satan.

these people know the power of the black arts, voodoo, witch craft,
cursing, dolls ect.
They know these spiritual powers forces are real.

He did bury the shrine and the witch doctors bones,

Hundreds came down from the hill side,kneeled down, sponataneously, and asked Jesus, to be their Lord and saviour.

before i became a christian i was quiet involved in the occult, one thing in particular, when in Pakestan, using a mantram, and signs symbols, though there was no air conditioning on the ship,

my cabin, became chilled, noticably so, freaked every one out.

When i flew home from pakistan, though at take off, the plane on full throtle, when i looked out of the window, there was a bird, ospray i think, black, but flying in slow motion.

johnny

johnny

 

[Chris]

I heard about a witch doctor in Africa, who knew satan, better than most christains know Jesus,

A talking shrine, animals taking on demonic forms, strange things flying or other wise, visiting people at night.
He could levitate, people who opposed him, met at times a fatal and painfull death.

Talk of birds spying on people, animals attacking people, films like the omen, when the demonic is present, you may see a raven turn up, black dogs. maybe not far from the truth.?

As we see Jesus on one occasion casting a legion of demons out of one man, that went into a herd of pigs.

So demons can take human or animal hosts.

Attempts were made to bury the shrine and the witch doctors bones, strange things happened to those who tried.

A young pastor, while in prayer, the Lord tolled him to bury the with doctors bones.

this soon became big news, thousands turned out to wittness the event, wondering what would be the fate of this man,
standing on the hills all around,

This young man picked up one of the witch doctors leg bone , as he waved it around, people droped to the ground or ran for cover,

he continuied, today he was going to demonstrate, demon. the power of God, Jesus was greater than the power of satan.

these people know the power of the black arts, voodoo, witch craft,
cursing, dolls ect.
They know these spiritual powers forces are real.

He did bury the shrine and the witch doctors bones,

Hundreds came down from the hill side,kneeled down, sponataneously, and asked Jesus, to be their Lord and saviour.

before i became a christian i was quiet involved in the occult, one thing in particular, when in Pakestan, using a mantram, and signs symbols, though there was no air conditioning on the ship,

my cabin, became chilled, noticably so, freaked every one out.

When i flew home from pakistan, though at take off, the plane on full throtle, when i looked out of the window, there was a bird, ospray i think, black, but flying in slow motion.

johnny

johnny

johnny can i show you something to encourage you regarding occults power. I have had this in my mind. to share with someone but never knew where. I know people put magick up on a pedestal of awesome power i personally think it a bit of fear based stuff more so than supernatural superiority most of it works by instilling fear in the recipient.
look at this good use for an atheist. I hope I don't get a smack on the knuckles for posting this but its just to encourage you. it helped me not to fear it or anything.
If you wanted to convince me there is a supernatural wold around us you are preaching to the converted.I believe it

[video=youtube;HeJVUbpF8Mg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeJVUbpF8Mg&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

[Alabaster]

Funny stuff, Chris, and pathetic, too. What on earth is the spiritual difference between a shaman and an atheist? Satan's kingdom will not bother trying to defeat itself.

Matthew 12:26
And if Satan is casting out Satan, he is divided and fighting against himself. His own kingdom will not survive.

 

[Mike]

Chris, that was hysterical! :rolling

 

[jasoncran]

lol, chris, men all that money and time wasted on that black magic. for a minute i thought that the shaman would derobe! that would kill me.

 

[Chris]

its all a load of manure it don't work he he

wont the atheists get fat heads seeing that. lol good on him for being smart enough not to believe it. I have been going to put that on here for ages.

If you believe that it works you give it power....

our focus is to get get those people away from it. God loves them. I don't fear it anymore.

john knew what he was writing to us.

1 John 4

On Denying the Incarnation

<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30605">1</sup> Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30606">2</sup> This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30607">3</sup> but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30608">4</sup> You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30609">5</sup> They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30610">6</sup> We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=&quot;#fen-NIV-30610a&quot; title=&quot;See footnote a&quot;>a</a>]">[a]</sup> of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
God’s Love and Ours

<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30611">7</sup> Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30612">8</sup> Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30613">9</sup> This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-30614">10</sup> This is love: not that we loved God, but that he love

you just gotta REALLY BELIEVE that and reach out and love people. and don't fear.

 

[Mike]

Chris, I'm not far off from you, but I do believe spiritual warfare is very real. We shouldn't scoff at evil (not saying you are), and we shouldn't underestimate the allure of it. Knowing that we have our Protector, we can be confident that we will be held. But it's when we walk away and permit evil to influence us when we have a problem.

Eph 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

2 Thes 2
"<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29671">9</sup> The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29672">10</sup><sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29673">11</sup> For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29674">12</sup> and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

 

[casper]

its all a load of manure it don't work he he

wont the atheists get fat heads seeing that. lol good on him for being smart enough not to believe it. I have been going to put that on here for ages.

If you believe that it works you give it power....

our focus is to get get those people away from it. God loves them. I don't fear it anymore.

john knew what he was writing to us.

1 John 4

On Denying the Incarnation

<SUP id=en-NIV-30605 class=versenum>1</SUP> Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. <SUP id=en-NIV-30606 class=versenum>2</SUP> This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, <SUP id=en-NIV-30607 class=versenum>3</SUP> but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. <SUP id=en-NIV-30608 class=versenum>4</SUP> You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. <SUP id=en-NIV-30609 class=versenum>5</SUP> They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. <SUP id=en-NIV-30610 class=versenum>6</SUP> We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit<SUP class=footnote value='[a]'>[a]</SUP> of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
God’s Love and Ours

<SUP id=en-NIV-30611 class=versenum>7</SUP> Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. <SUP id=en-NIV-30612 class=versenum>8</SUP> Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. <SUP id=en-NIV-30613 class=versenum>9</SUP> This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. <SUP id=en-NIV-30614 class=versenum>10</SUP> This is love: not that we loved God, but that he love

you just gotta REALLY BELIEVE that and reach out and love people. and don't fear.

I wonder about this verse espially this bit "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, <SUP id=en-NIV-30607 class=versenum>3</SUP> but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist"

I mean its not hard for a evil person (anti christ) to just pretend and acknowledge that jesus has come in the flesh from God. Just to deceive people. So its not really a good way to expose people's beliefs. Words are easy to speak.

 

[Chris]

I wonder about this verse espially this bit "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, <sup id="en-NIV-30607" class="versenum">3</sup> but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist"

I mean its not hard for a evil person (anti christ) to just pretend and acknowledge that jesus has come in the flesh from God. Just to deceive people. So its not really a good way to expose people's beliefs. Words are easy to speak.

I have a habit of not just putting single verses in because they can be read out of context. the main thing in there was that when dealing with those opposing spirits the spirit of god is heaps greater. reading a few paragraphs before and after verses helps them make more sense too

 

[casper]

I have a habit of not just putting single verses in because they can be read out of context. the main thing in there was that when dealing with those opposing spirits the spirit of god is heaps greater. reading a few paragraphs before and after verses helps them make more sense too

Yes I understand that , I hope you don't think I was having a dig at you. I wasn't.

Perhaps I was misunderstood. In the pass I have had that verse quoted as a way to sort out the Satanists amongst us . Their point was that a antichrist person wouldn't or couldn't declare that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and is from god himself. I debate this saying that Satan is the king of deceiver's and what better way to deceive Christians than to pretend to be one off them.


Any how I'm way off the topic. I' m sure John said it for reason and theirs more to it. I admit I have a long way to go in my journey