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Christ was formed in the beginning of creation by Yahwah.

JLB said:
Ill stick to the bible.

If you want to add or take away the meaning of words thats between you and the LORD.

Jesus is the LORD God of the Old Testament


JLB
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If you were sticking to the bible you would be listening to me. What you should have said, is that you will stick to the Trinitarian translators of the bible.
 
CherubRam said:
If you were sticking to the bible you would be listening to me. What you should have said, is that you will stick to the Trinitarian translators of the bible.
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And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14



Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59


  • before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him;



The Jews who heard Jesus say I AM, certainly understood what Jesus meant, as they intended to stone Him to death for claiming that He was God.



You seem to be the only one at odds with the scriptures.






JLB
 
CherubRam said:
Jacob saw a elohiym a (god of "The Living One.) That verse is not correctly translated.
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You made up your own translation which differs from that used in many other translation teams who have the education and training to translate ancient languages into English's. Where did you receive you degree from? google?
What translation are you using?

There is nothing that makes believe Jacob wrestled with Jesus. No identification as in a name was given.
Its clear to me Jacob wrestled with a angel of the Lord as is stated elsewhere in the bible.

Though Jesus is the firstborn all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell in Him. That means the Father's Deity without limit. Jesus is all that the Father is and one with the Father. He is the First and the Last in that manner as in the beginning was the word and the word was God. The word of life, the eternal life who was with the Father in the beginning. That life appeared and was testified as to seen, heard and touched. One who was found to be in the form of God and emptied Himself and became the Son of Man.

Through Him, by Him and for Him all things were made.
About the Son's skillset.

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end


After Jesus ascended to where He was before and sat down with the Father on the Fathers throne and anything asked of Him would be by prayer. He is the ruler of Gods creation and doesn't hand the reigns over to the Father until the last enemy is destroyed. Which is death and is after the 1000 years as spoken of in the book of Rev.

I have asked things of Him as far back as my memory goes and He answers. He appears to know my innermost thoughts and everything I am experiencing at any given moment. He is my Lord and I know Him and He knows me.
He is the head of the body of Christ and the judge of the living and the dead. Do you know Him as it appears your witness centers around He is not God rather than leading others to Him for life?
 
Randy said:
You made up your own translation which differs from that used in many other translation teams who have the education and training to translate ancient languages into English's. Where did you receive you degree from? google?
What translation are you using?

There is nothing that makes believe Jacob wrestled with Jesus. No identification as in a name was given.
Its clear to me Jacob wrestled with a angel of the Lord as is stated elsewhere in the bible.

Though Jesus is the firstborn all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell in Him. That means the Father's Deity without limit. Jesus is all that the Father is and one with the Father. He is the First and the Last in that manner as in the beginning was the word and the word was God. The word of life, the eternal life who was with the Father in the beginning. That life appeared and was testified as to seen, heard and touched. One who was found to be in the form of God and emptied Himself and became the Son of Man.

Through Him, by Him and for Him all things were made.
About the Son's skillset.

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end


After Jesus ascended to where He was before and sat down with the Father on the Fathers throne and anything asked of Him would be by prayer. He is the ruler of Gods creation and doesn't hand the reigns over to the Father until the last enemy is destroyed. Which is death and is after the 1000 years as spoken of in the book of Rev.

I have asked things of Him as far back as my memory goes and He answers. He appears to know my innermost thoughts and everything I am experiencing at any given moment. He is my Lord and I know Him and He knows me.
He is the head of the body of Christ and the judge of the living and the dead. Do you know Him as it appears your witness centers around He is not God rather than leading others to Him for life?
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I am using Scripture 4 all program. https://www.scripture4all.org/

I also use these bible translations: https://www.biblegateway.com/

I also have a number books on Greek and Hebrew, along with Aramaic.
 
JLB said:
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14



Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59


  • before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him;



The Jews who heard Jesus say I AM, certainly understood what Jesus meant, as they intended to stone Him to death for claiming that He was God.



You seem to be the only one at odds with the scriptures.






JLB
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The Hebrew word "Living" is translated as I am in other bibles. The NIV Exhaustive Concordance shows that, but the Strong's Concordance does not.

The "I am" thingy is BS.
 
Randy said:
Which translation are you using? As in bible version as I have not found 1 that supports your God of the living ones.
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I'm the only person who takes the time to translate the word "El / ohiym." The translation is from the Aramaic, not Hebrew. The Rabbi's changed the Hebrew language. The word El means God. The Semitic word "Hay" was changed to Chai. Aramaic and Hebrew words ending in "im" are plural for "one-s."

Elohiym= God of the living ones.
elohiym= (god-s) of The Living One.

Two or more makes a plural.

The word (Elohiym / Elohim) is a title, it is not a name of anyone.
 
CherubRam said:
Proverbs 8:23
I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
Christ was formed in the beginning of creation by Yahwah.
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Where is this stated in the verse? Nowhere. Wisdom, here spoken of in a personified manner, is in view, not Christ. Consider the beginning of the chapter:

Proverbs 8:1-3
1 Does not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
2 She stands in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
3 She cries at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

This is the same Wisdom who refers to HERself in verse 23. Can you explain how this woman called Wisdom is somehow Jesus?

If Jesus is God, then he, too, must be "a se" - that is, self-existent. If Jesus was created, He is not God; it's that simple. To be God is, in part, to be the uncreated Creator, the Uncaused Cause. So long as one holds that Jesus does not share this defining attribute of God, one must declare that he is not God. But the Bible gives no room for this blasphemous notion:


John 10:30-33
30 "I and the Father are one.”
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?”
33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 2:8-9
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
 
CherubRam said:
I'm the only person who takes the time to translate the word "El / ohiym." The translation is from the Aramaic, not Hebrew. The Rabbi's changed the Hebrew language. The word El means God. The Semitic word "Hay" was changed to Chai. Aramaic and Hebrew words ending in "im" are plural for "one-s."

Elohiym= God of the living ones.
elohiym= (god-s) of The Living One.

Two or more makes a plural.

The word (Elohiym / Elohim) is a title, it is not a name of anyone.
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You do seem to be the "only" person using that meaning.
 
CherubRam said:
If you were sticking to the bible you would be listening to me. What you should have said, is that you will stick to the Trinitarian translators of the bible.
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The thing is, the Bible is thoroughly Trinitarian, which is precisely why Trinitarian translators exist.
 
Free said:
The thing is, the Bible is thoroughly Trinitarian, which is precisely why Trinitarian translators exist.
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And that is why there is a need for a Non-Trinitarian Bible, one that is based upon Orthodox Judaism; not man made doctrines.
 
Tenchi said:
Where is this stated in the verse? Nowhere. Wisdom, here spoken of in a personified manner, is in view, not Christ. Consider the beginning of the chapter:

Proverbs 8:1-3
1 Does not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
2 She stands in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
3 She cries at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

This is the same Wisdom who refers to HERself in verse 23. Can you explain how this woman called Wisdom is somehow Jesus?

If Jesus is God, then he, too, must be "a se" - that is, self-existent. If Jesus was created, He is not God; it's that simple. To be God is, in part, to be the uncreated Creator, the Uncaused Cause. So long as one holds that Jesus does not share this defining attribute of God, one must declare that he is not God. But the Bible gives no room for this blasphemous notion:


John 10:30-33
30 "I and the Father are one.”
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?”
33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 2:8-9
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
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Your bad translations do not count as truth.

Deliverer

Titus 2:13
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our (Deliverer / Saviour) Jesus Christ;



Strong's Concordance

sótér: a savior, deliverer

Original Word: σωτήρ, ῆρος, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: sótér

Phonetic Spelling: (so-tare')

Definition: a savior, deliverer

Usage: a savior, deliverer, preserver.



Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am (the Lord / Yahwah;) and beside me there is no saviour.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am (the Lord / Yahwah) thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
 
JLB said:
Ill stick to the bible.

If you want to add or take away the meaning of words thats between you and the LORD.

Jesus is the LORD God of the Old Testament


JLB
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That's the problem, you are reading corrupted scriptures. You need a better bible.
 
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