Christ was formed in the beginning of creation by Yahwah.

[Paul Timothy]

OK, your claim is out of context. I'm not joking.

I just read the passage and nothing in the chapter refers to Jesus but rather it is "wisdom" that is talking.
So how is my claim out of context?
Do you understand what that word means?

 

[Free]

BS stands for "Bad Scripture."

No, it doesn't. Do not use that acronym again. Write out what you mean.

And that is why there is a need for a Non-Trinitarian Bible, one that is based upon Orthodox Judaism;

Then it would cease being God's word.

not man made doctrines.

The Trinity is thoroughly biblical.

 

[Randy]

Scroll down to about the bottom of this link. It is a little help as to what I am saying. https://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elohim/elohim.html#loaded

Hebrews 1:8 Greek Text Analysis

 

[for_his_glory]

Yahshua is a created being.
Before Christ was born into this world and became known as Yahshua, he was called Peniel in Heaven.

This is nothing more then JW teachings taught by the Watch Tower Society as they wrote their own false Bible called the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tracts Society that was first released in 1950 with the complete works in 1961 as they deceive others by adding one single word that changes the whole meaning of one single verse.

They do not believe in the Trinity. Instead, they follow a strict monotheism, in which: Jehovah is the Supreme Being. Jesus is the Son of God, a created being. Christ is believed to have originally existed in a pre-human state as the Archangel Michael. He later took human form as a man like any other person, except that he was sinless at birth and remained so throughout his earthly life. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ. They believe that after the crucifixion, Christ died and was resurrected as an invisible, non-material, glorious, spirit creature. They believe that Jesus appeared on earth after his resurrection in a special body that Jehovah created for him.
The Holy Spirit they believe, is not a separate entity, but is simply a force: the method by which God interacts with the world.

How do I know this is true, because my sister was a JW until she found the doctrines they teach comes against the Doctrines of Christ and she was into this false religion for a few years.

 

[for_his_glory]

And that is why there is a need for a Non-Trinitarian Bible, one that is based upon Orthodox Judaism; not man made doctrines.

New World Translation (NWT - JW use) - Rev 1:8 The Watch tower added the words "says Jehovah" to keep in line of what they teach that Jesus was created and the name for God is Jehovah, not Jesus. In the KJV and the NIV says "the Lord God"

New World Translation Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and Omega says Jehovah God the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty

KJV Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

NIV Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God who is, and who was, and is to come, the Almighty

Here is another verse from the NWT John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God and the word was a god

KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NIV John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Notice NWT changes the Word to the word (small letter) and the word was a god instead of the Word was God. Changing even one word like "a" can change the whole meaning of just one verses and that is how they draw others into their heresies.

 

[JLB]

The Hebrew word "Living" is translated as I am in other bibles. The NIV Exhaustive Concordance shows that, but the Strong's Concordance does not.

The "I am" thingy is BS.

You are free to dismiss scriptural words in favor of your own made made terms.

Most who follow the doctrines of man, must change words of scripture for their own words at some point.

You are only fooling yourself.



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

I am using Scripture 4 all program. https://www.scripture4all.org/

I also use these bible translations: https://www.biblegateway.com/

I also have a number books on Greek and Hebrew, along with Aramaic.

You can have the largest library in the world with every language in the world and every translation of the Bible, but if you are not allowing the Holy Spirit teach you, which is not a force, but the very Spirit of God, then all you have is a man's teaching.

 

[for_his_glory]

That's the problem, you are reading corrupted scriptures. You need a better bible.

Would that be the NWT?

 

[for_his_glory]

CherubRam apparently your translation of the Bible has left out every scripture that speaks of the Trinity/Deity of Christ. What Bible translation are you using and where does it say Jesus was created by God in the beginning of creation?

BTW, the NIV also teaches the Trinity/Deity of Christ.

 

[CherubRam]

This is nothing more then JW teachings taught by the Watch Tower Society as they wrote their own false Bible called the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tracts Society that was first released in 1950 with the complete works in 1961 as they deceive others by adding one single word that changes the whole meaning of one single verse.

They do not believe in the Trinity. Instead, they follow a strict monotheism, in which: Jehovah is the Supreme Being. Jesus is the Son of God, a created being. Christ is believed to have originally existed in a pre-human state as the Archangel Michael. He later took human form as a man like any other person, except that he was sinless at birth and remained so throughout his earthly life. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ. They believe that after the crucifixion, Christ died and was resurrected as an invisible, non-material, glorious, spirit creature. They believe that Jesus appeared on earth after his resurrection in a special body that Jehovah created for him.
The Holy Spirit they believe, is not a separate entity, but is simply a force: the method by which God interacts with the world.

How do I know this is true, because my sister was a JW until she found the doctrines they teach comes against the Doctrines of Christ and she was into this false religion for a few years.

I am not aware of that being a JW teaching. Any proof of that?

Michael is a man born in the last days.

 

[CherubRam]

New World Translation (NWT - JW use) - Rev 1:8 The Watch tower added the words "says Jehovah" to keep in line of what they teach that Jesus was created and the name for God is Jehovah, not Jesus. In the KJV and the NIV says "the Lord God"

New World Translation Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and Omega says Jehovah God the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty

KJV Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

NIV Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God who is, and who was, and is to come, the Almighty

Here is another verse from the NWT John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God and the word was a god

KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NIV John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Notice NWT changes the Word to the word (small letter) and the word was a god instead of the Word was God. Changing even one word like "a" can change the whole meaning of just one verses and that is how they draw others into their heresies.

The name of "The Only True God" is Yahwah.

The Name Of God | Christian Forum

Yahwah A note on the words hawah and hayah. Quote from pages 217 and 218 of the Brown-Driver-Briggs. Ref # 3068-69, on page 217. Br

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Yahshua said:
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, The Only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

 

[CherubRam]

You can have the largest library in the world with every language in the world and every translation of the Bible, but if you are not allowing the Holy Spirit teach you, which is not a force, but the very Spirit of God, then all you have is a man's teaching.

If I said that the Holy Spirit (Yahwah) has been helping me, would you believe it?

 

[CherubRam]

Would that be the NWT?

Revelation 10
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The Angel and the Little Scroll (Bible)​

10 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”

5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me once more: “Go, take the (scroll / bible) that lies open in the hand of the (messenger / angel) who is standing on the sea and on the land.”

9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, “Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but ‘in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.’” 10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again (to / about) many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

 

[Free]

I am not aware of that being a JW teaching. Any proof of that?

"Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth.
...
Consider why it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the archangel Michael."

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/

Michael is a man born in the last days.

There is Michael mentioned in the Bible who is born in the last days. Every mention of Michael from Dan. 10 to Rev. 12 is the archangel:

Dan 10:13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia,

Jud 1:9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

Rev_12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back,

(All ESV.)

 

[CherubRam]

CherubRam apparently your translation of the Bible has left out every scripture that speaks of the Trinity/Deity of Christ. What Bible translation are you using and where does it say Jesus was created by God in the beginning of creation?

BTW, the NIV also teaches the Trinity/Deity of Christ.

Feel free to show me the word Trinity in the bible.

 

[CherubRam]

"Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth.
...
Consider why it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the archangel Michael."

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/


There is Michael mentioned in the Bible who is born in the last days. Every mention of Michael from Dan. 10 to Rev. 12 is the archangel:

Dan 10:13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia,

Jud 1:9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

Rev_12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back,

(All ESV.)

The word (angel) is not biblical. The word "angel' comes from Greek mythology. The DSS also mentions Michael as a man in the last days.

Jude 1:9 is a Gnostic insertion.

Persia is Iran. Since the time I sent a letter to the Iranian people the number of Christians has increased. Halleluyah!

Michael and his messengers fight against the Dragon.

 

[Free]

The word (angel) is not biblical. The word "angel' comes from Greek mythology. The DSS also mentions Michael as a man in the last days.

Jude 1:9 is a Gnostic insertion.

Persia is Iran. Since the time I sent a letter to the Iranian people the number of Christians has increased. Halleluyah!

Michael and his messengers fight against the Dragon.

The word angel is fine. Jude 1:9 is fine. The only Michael mentioned from Dan 10 to Rev 12 is the archangel.

 

[for_his_glory]

Feel free to show me the word Trinity in the bible.

Feel free to show me in scripture where Jesus is a created being. Just because the JW do not believe in the Trinity/Deity and that Jesus is a created being does not make it so without any proof.

We have given you many, many, many scriptures that explain the Trinity/Deity. You have it in your head that we are teaching God is three persons and none of us have ever taught that. You form your own opinions, but can never seem to discredit what we have shown you in scripture. If you want to teach the false doctrines of the Watch Tower then please do this in the JW forum as we have had a gut full of this from you.

 

[for_his_glory]

I am not aware of that being a JW teaching. Any proof of that?

Michael is a man born in the last days.

Then why are you teaching it!

 

[CherubRam]

Feel free to show me in scripture where Jesus is a created being. Just because the JW do not believe in the Trinity/Deity and that Jesus is a created being does not make it so without any proof.

We have given you many, many, many scriptures that explain the Trinity/Deity. You have it in your head that we are teaching God is three persons and none of us have ever taught that. You form your own opinions, but can never seem to discredit what we have shown you in scripture. If you want to teach the false doctrines of the Watch Tower then please do this in the JW forum as we have had a gut full of this from you.

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

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Psalm 40:6​

New International Version​

6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire—
but my ears you have opened[1]—
burnt offerings and sin offerings[2] you did not require.

Footnotes​

1. Psalm 40:6 Hebrew; some Septuagint manuscripts but a body you have prepared for me
2. Psalm 40:6 Or purification offerings

In Hebrews 10:5 the verse is also repeated. “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;”…