Christadelphians

[Cloudberry]

Hi Everyone, I just found this forum and it seems very active so I just signed up. I have studied the Christadelphian faith for most of 14 years, although being older now I may not remember all that I used to. But would be willing to discuss it some if there are those that would like to also. Before I say more will see if this posts in my name.

Cloudberry

 

[Cloudberry]

I would like to say that a Christian is one that follows and believes in the message that Jesus brought, and that one does not have to be completely accurate being that we are not perfect so our understanding isn't going to be perfect either. We must not decide whether others are Christian or not Christian, as that is up to them. No one should define what one must believe to be considered Christian and apply it to others, and say that those that are not in agreement with how they define Christian are not. Wouldn't that be judging? We must all look to ourselves...are we Christian? Is what we believe and do Christian? Are we following what Jesus taught? We should not do this for others, only for ourselves. Everybody has slightly differing beliefs even if very minor, so there probably aren't two people who believe actually the same in all ways, and so if one must be perfect in their belief of Christianity, there likely would be only one person that will be in the New Kingdom. Christians can be still Christian even with many differing views, as these views are the result of our less than perfect understanding of scripture.

Cloudberry

 

[sourberry]

Christians can be still Christian even with many differing views, as these views are the result of our less than perfect understanding of scripture.

Well, it sounds as if christianity was about understanding the scripture, and yet christianity is the living water running out of the belly.

You are the scripture. You see?

With love.

 

[jasonc]

GOD is the living water, not the religion jewish thought on that is the torah itself. which i have established is CHRIST.

 

[Cloudberry]

Well, it sounds as if christianity was about understanding the scripture, and yet christianity is the living water running out of the belly.

You are the scripture. You see?

With love.

Hi sourberry, I 'm not sure what you are saying. Sorry. Please explain.

Cloudberry

 

[jasonc]

Christ living in us being the light.

Hi sourberry, I 'm not sure what you are saying. Sorry. Please explain.

Cloudberry

 

[turnorburn]

Welcome to the forums Cloudberry do you believe that a only Christadelphians will be saved..

tob

 

[sourberry]

Hi sourberry, I 'm not sure what you are saying. Sorry. Please explain.

Cloudberry

To me you are one body with Christ, having his spirit, similarly to all christians. I do not distinguish between you, or John, or Luke, or Jason. Anything you say is as much godbreathed as if any other christian would have said. This is what I meant when I said "you are the scripture". You see?

With love.

 

[Cloudberry]

Welcome to the forums Cloudberry do you believe that a only Christadelphians will be saved..

tob

Thanks for the welcome. I consider all Christian denominations Christian; all are following Christ, some maybe more so than others, but all are according to what they believe is the truth. Being that none of us are perfect, we do not have a perfect understanding in our Christian beliefs, so if anyone was to be not saved because of this, than none would be saved. So being that we are imperfect, if we are good followers of Christ, then all who are regardless of denomination will be saved.

Now, I'm not sure that this would be the view of all Christadelphians, there are a number of different branches, so some may believe as I do, and some that do not. I think that is how it probably is in most denominations, though.

Cloudberry

 

[Cloudberry]

To me you are one body with Christ, having his spirit, similarly to all christians. I do not distinguish between you, or John, or Luke, or Jason. Anything you say is as much godbreathed as if any other christian would have said. This is what I meant when I said "you are the scripture". You see?

With love.

Thanks Sourberry....its very generous of you.

Cloudberry

 

[Free]

Thanks for the welcome. I consider all Christian denominations Christian; all are following Christ, some maybe more so than others, but all are according to what they believe is the truth. Being that none of us are perfect, we do not have a perfect understanding in our Christian beliefs, so if anyone was to be not saved because of this, than none would be saved. So being that we are imperfect, if we are good followers of Christ, then all who are regardless of denomination will be saved.

This sounds nice but yet it all just begs the questions: Who is Christ? And just what is a Christian?

Jesus is the central figure of the entirety of Scripture, so who he is is of central importance. One cannot claim to be following Christ and therefore be a Christian, if the Christ they are following is not the Christ of Scripture. Then there are all the significant warnings about false teachers and false gospels, to go along with the command for the Church to judge truth from error. Some so-called Christian denominations contradict what the Scriptures say about who Jesus is and just what the gospel is.

So very clearly then, based on Scripture, we can see that not all denominations that claim to be Christian actually are Christian, just as all individuals who claim to be Christian are not.

 

[sourberry]

This sounds nice but yet it all just begs the questions: Who is Christ?

The words cannot embrace, as I think. Once you are trying to embrace in words, you are on the path of separating the church, as I think. Because this is what doctrines do.

If you are one body with Jesus, then he is what you are. If he is a man, then you are a man, if he is a god, then you are also a god, if he is a spirit then you are a spirit too, and if he is God's son, then you are also a child of God. He is what you are, because of one body. You see?

And you cannot say who Jesus is, because the words cannot embrace, as I think.

With love.

 

[turnorburn]

@ sourberry..

tob

 

[Free]

The words cannot embrace, as I think. Once you are trying to embrace in words, you are on the path of separating the church, as I think. Because this is what doctrines do.

Yes, doctrines can and do divide the Church, but they also necessarily divide those who claim to be of the Church from those who actually are. Again,the Bible itself tells us that there are certain things to be believed if one is to be a Christian, and that the Church is to be able to judge true teachings from false teachings.

If you are one body with Jesus, then he is what you are. If he is a man, then you are a man, if he is a god, then you are also a god, if he is a spirit then you are a spirit too, and if he is God's son, then you are also a child of God. He is what you are, because of one body. You see?

No, we are not what Jesus is, not entirely. He is God's Son in a very unique way and is God's one and only Son. Christians are God's children through adoption. Jesus is truly God and truly man. We are not God nor can we ever be. God, by definition, is an uncreated being, whereas humans are creatures.

And you cannot say who Jesus is, because the words cannot embrace, as I think.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the words cannot embrace," but I sure can say who Jesus is, to a certain degree. The Bible clearly shows he is God in human flesh, God incarnate, yet he is not the Father. He is both God and man, the God-man.

 

[EJK]

Cloudberry, you say that you have been involved with christos for a while, did you become a CD, if not, why not? what made you stay Christian. I have found CD's attacking Christianity, they hold the view that they know it all. Have heard it many times that they are chosen, they come up with " because we know what the scripture means ", have found the group a little up themselves that they know it all and only their interpretation of scripture is correct. They pressed that Ezekiel temple will be built and Jesus will perform animal sacrifices, there is nothing in the new testament about that, Heb.10- clearly explains that one sacrifice of Christ was perfect, none other required. But constantly they press that they know, how do they know ???

 

[turnorburn]

Where's Cloudberry..

tob

 

[Cloudberry]

turnorburn, I left because I was told I was not to preach or teach the Christadephian beliefs, and as I said I didn't come to preach or debate, but if I answer questions on what CDs believe would that not be teaching? So what can I say, as I see it nothing. If I answer questions or correct errors on their beliefs I'm teaching aren't I?


Cloudberry:neutral

 

[Cloudberry]

This sounds nice but yet it all just begs the questions: Who is Christ? And just what is a Christian?

Jesus is the central figure of the entirety of Scripture, so who he is is of central importance. One cannot claim to be following Christ and therefore be a Christian, if the Christ they are following is not the Christ of Scripture.

I agree with this. But all that are following Christ, that is believe they are following Christ accurately, think the same about others that also believe that they are following Christ accurately. You may feel that another is not following the Christ of the bible, but the one that you may feel this way about, may feel that you are not following the Christ of the bible. One or the other may be right, yet also both may be wrong. And we might be the one that is wrong, which is why I think all must look to themselves and determine what they can do to be more of a follower of Christ, and not make judgements of others.

Then there are all the significant warnings about false teachers and false gospels, to go along with the command for the Church to judge truth from error. Some so-called Christian denominations contradict what the Scriptures say about who Jesus is and just what the gospel is.

I see what you mean. But I think that false teachers know that what they teach is false, whereas, those that may just be wrong in what they believe and teach, are just that...... ..wrong, but teach it just the same because they really think they have the truth. They are only misunderstanding the scripture that they are teaching, that could be any one of us. So one need to be always checking their beliefs, learning, and correcting what they realize they had understood incorrectly.

So very clearly then, based on Scripture, we can see that not all denominations that claim to be Christian actually are Christian, just as all individuals who claim to be Christian are not.

And that could be any one of us, unless we think that we have a perfect understanding of scripture, which we don't, this is why I think Christians need to be very careful about who they say are Christian or not....

Hopefully this reply is acceptable, and that you understand what I'm saying. Thanks...

Cloudberry

 

[Cloudberry]

The words cannot embrace, as I think. Once you are trying to embrace in words, you are on the path of separating the church, as I think. Because this is what doctrines do.

If you are one body with Jesus, then he is what you are. If he is a man, then you are a man, if he is a god, then you are also a god, if he is a spirit then you are a spirit too, and if he is God's son, then you are also a child of God. He is what you are, because of one body. You see?

And you cannot say who Jesus is, because the words cannot embrace, as I think.

With love.

I do agree that doctrines do separate Christians, and their churches.
If they do not get it together it may become a dying religion eventually.

Cloudberry

 

[Cloudberry]

Cloudberry, you say that you have been involved with christos for a while, did you become a CD, if not, why not? what made you stay Christian.

I have never heard of them being called christos by anyone before this. They refer to themselves as Christadelphians, Bretheren of Christ, or CDs.

I have only know them on the internet, and studied there beliefs at great length. Of course, that doesn't mean that I know all that they believe. Certain topics were more popular than other. And no I did not become a Christadelphian, mainly because there are non near where I live. And somewhat because of personal reasons that are personal.

I have found CD's attacking Christianity, they hold the view that they know it all. Have heard it many times that they are chosen, they come up with " because we know what the scripture means ", have found the group a little up themselves that they know it all and only their interpretation of scripture is correct.

I have found that this is a problem that all most all Christians and their churches have.

They pressed that Ezekiel temple will be built and Jesus will perform animal sacrifices, there is nothing in the new testament about that, Heb.10- clearly explains that one sacrifice of Christ was perfect, none other required. But constantly they press that they know, how do they know ???

Actually, there are very few who might believe this, most don't, and the few that might are only considering if this might be the situation or not. As for it being a belief of CDs, I don't think it is.

Cloudberry