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Christian resurrection

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There is but one resurrection allotted per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:29) which explains why nobody is coming back from the second death depicted at Rev 20:10-15.

Christian resurrection is a bit complicated. It occurs in two distinct phases-- a now phase and a later phase (John 5:25). The now phase raises a believer's spirit from the dead (John 3:6, Rom 6:3-11) and the later phase raises their body from the dead. (1Cor 15:35-55)

According to Jesus' testimony as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to Christian resurrection; people who miss the now phase won't be permitted to either see nor enter the kingdom of God when they pass on.

†. John 3:3 . . Verily, verily, I say unto you: except one be born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

†. John 3:5 . . Verily, verily, I say unto you: except one be born of water and The Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Therefore, the now phase isn't optional; no, it's a must.

†. John 3:7 . .You should not be surprised at my saying you must be born anew.

Note the language of the Lord's statement below.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already transferred from death into life.

The phrase "already transferred from death into life" is resurrection language. So then, people who have not yet completed the now phase of Christian resurrection, are dead on the hoof: they are neither listening to Jesus' message nor believing in God; but even more serious: they're in grave danger of a negative verdict at the Great White Throne.

BTW: ever notice that the dead are mentioned four times in Rev 20:11-15 but the living aren't mentioned at all? That's because the living are they who opted into the now phase of Christian resurrection and the dead are those who didn't. Thus Jesus' promise that "they will never be condemned for their sins" doesn't apply to people facing justice at the Great White Throne.

I once heard of a preacher who titled one of his sermons: Millions Now Living Will Be Dead In Fifty Years! Another preacher in the same town titled his sermon: Millions Now Living Are Already Dead! Both were correct.

FAQ: the water Jesus spoke of in John 3:5; does that refer to Christian baptism?

The water Jesus spoke of doesn't refer to an earthly ritual; it pertains to a supernatural beverage. See John 4:10-14 and Rev 22:17.


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There is but one resurrection allotted per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:29) which explains why nobody is coming back from the second death depicted at Rev 20:10-15.

Christian resurrection is a bit complicated. It occurs in two distinct phases-- a now phase and a later phase (John 5:25). The now phase raises a believer's spirit from the dead (John 3:6, Rom 6:3-11) and the later phase raises their body from the dead. (1Cor 15:35-55)

According to Jesus' testimony as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to Christian resurrection; people who miss the now phase won't be permitted to either see nor enter the kingdom of God when they pass on.

†. John 3:3 . . Verily, verily, I say unto you: except one be born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

†. John 3:5 . . Verily, verily, I say unto you: except one be born of water and The Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Therefore, the now phase isn't optional; no, it's a must.

†. John 3:7 . .You should not be surprised at my saying you must be born anew.

Note the language of the Lord's statement below.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already transferred from death into life.

The phrase "already transferred from death into life" is resurrection language. So then, people who have not yet completed the now phase of Christian resurrection, are dead on the hoof: they are neither listening to Jesus' message nor believing in God; but even more serious: they're in grave danger of a negative verdict at the Great White Throne.

BTW: ever notice that the dead are mentioned four times in Rev 20:11-15 but the living aren't mentioned at all? That's because the living are they who opted into the now phase of Christian resurrection and the dead are those who didn't. Thus Jesus' promise that "they will never be condemned for their sins" doesn't apply to people facing justice at the Great White Throne.

I once heard of a preacher who titled one of his sermons: Millions Now Living Will Be Dead In Fifty Years! Another preacher in the same town titled his sermon: Millions Now Living Are Already Dead! Both were correct.

FAQ: the water Jesus spoke of in John 3:5; does that refer to Christian baptism?

The water Jesus spoke of doesn't refer to an earthly ritual; it pertains to a supernatural beverage. See John 4:10-14 and Rev 22:17.


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I agree with most of what you said, for Paul speaks of the one resurrection that is followed up with phase two.

Romans 6:3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
 
When will we be united with Him?

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

His second coming.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the Second Coming.
 
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A death in liquefied flame is on the horizon for people who fail to get their names registered in the book of life (Rev 20:11-15). However, believers are in no danger of that particular mode of death because they died an alternate mode of death via Christ's crucifixion.

†. Rom 6:3 . . Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death

†. Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him

†. Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

†. Col 3:3 . . For you died when Christ died

Thus, one's participation in Christ's death suffices to substitute for a death of their own in liquefied flame.

†. Rev 20:12 . . I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Two sets of books are depicted in that passage: a book of life, and books of works. Only the dead are judged in accordance with the books of works. The living aren't judged in accordance with the books of works because they were previously judged in accordance with the cross.

†. Isa 53:6 . .The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

That brings me back to John 5:24 where Jesus said: "I assure you, those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already transferred from death into life."

The phrase "already transferred from death into life" is resurrection language; which means that when Christ rose from the dead, those who died with him on the cross also rose with him; and the language of Rom 6:3-11 urges Christ's followers to count upon it being a chipped-in-stone reality.

†. Rom 6:11 . . Count yourselves dead to sin; but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

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The phrase "already transferred from death into life" is resurrection language; which means that when Christ rose from the dead, those who died with him on the cross also rose with him; and the language of Rom 6:3-11 urges Christ's followers to count upon it being a chipped-in-stone reality.

†. Rom 6:11 . . Count yourselves dead to sin; but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

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OK, so tell me are you invisible?

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

There is a monumental difference between being begotten and born...

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Christ was born of God by a resurrection from the dead, we are currently begotten...

2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

earnest:

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ἀῤῥαβών
arrhabōn
ar-hrab-ohn'
Of Hebrew origin [H6162]; a pledge, that is, part of the purchase money or property given in advance as security for the rest: - earnest.

We have been given the down payment on eternal life. Anyone who has ever bought a house or a car and paid the downpayment, the earnest money, realizes that they do not possess or own the car until the loan is paid off. Just the down payment does not consummate the deal.
 
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OK, so tell me are you invisible?
Yes.

†. John 3:6 . .That which is born of The Spirit is spirit.

I should think it goes without saying that life consisting of spirit appears just as transparent to the human eye as a breeze consisting of atmospheric air.

†. John 3:8 . .The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it; but do not know where it comes from nor where it is going; so is everyone who is born of The Spirit.


We have been given the down payment on eternal life.
In the scriptural statements below; note the grammatical tense of the "have" verbs. They're present tense rather than future, indicating that believers (the real ones) all possess eternal life right now-- no down payment, no pledge, no delay, and no waiting period.

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life.

. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already transferred from death into life.

†. John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

†. 1John 5:13 . .These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

The possession of eternal life, and/or it's non-possession, is very serious because according to God's testimony as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to His own son; people who lack eternal life, also lack His son; viz: they are quite christless.

†. 1John 5:11-12 . . And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the life, does not have God's son.

In addition, people lacking eternal life are in that condition because they have not yet correctly dined upon Jesus' flesh and/or correctly imbibed his blood.

†. John 6:54 . .Anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

Eternal life is a species of life that's impervious to death. Therefore people who have it won't go out of existence when they cross over to the other side.

†. John 6:49-51. .Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever.

People yet to correctly dine upon the Lord's flesh, and correctly imbibe his blood, are dead on the hoof even before they're deceased.

†. John 6:53 . . I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

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In a confrontation between Billy Clanton and Doc Holiday in the Hollywood movie Tombstone; Billy says: "You're so drunk, you can't hit nothin'. In fact, you're probably seein' double."

To which Doc replies: "I have two guns . . . one for each of ya."

Below are a couple of scripture passages that make unbelievers see double-- drunk or sober seems to make no difference.

†. 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us . . . If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

†. 1 John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

What's going on there? Do we need two guns? one for each of the men in those two passages?

Yes; we do, because when people undergo the supernatural birth about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8, they retain their naturally-born self . In other words: 1John 1:8-10 pertains to their naturally-born self, and 1John 3:9 pertains to their supernaturally-born self; viz: two selves-- one born of the flesh; and one born of The Spirit-- one fully capable of sin, the other thoroughly incapable of sin.

Once Bible students get past the gospels and into the epistles, they begin encountering terminology like "old man" and "new man". Well; there's the reason we need two guns; but one of those men is a good guy; so him we won't shoot. But even if we did, it wouldn't bring him down because the new man has eternal life; which is a species of life that's impervious to death.

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Try reading all the scriptures...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Just as I explained in #6, there is a big difference between being begotten and born, just ask any woman who has delivered a child. She will be able to make it clear to you.



By the way, I'm your huckleberry.
 
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there is a big difference between being begotten and born, just ask any woman who has delivered a child. She will be able to make it clear to you.
The Greek word for "born" in 1John 3:9 is gennao (ghen-nah'-o) which means; primarily, to procreate; viz: engender.

Gennao doesn't mean to say that God has a womb; but it does mean to say that God sires children. Now you can take that to mean whatever you want; but in point of fact, the Greek word for "seed" in 1John 3:9 is sperma (sper'-mah) which is the very same word for seed at Rom 1:3

”His son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh."

1John 3:9 is saying-- in a vernacular that's very, very easy for the average person to understand --is that people sired by God are 110% sinless because they're a chip off the old block.

Faith believes what's revealed to it rather than only what makes sense to it. Well; this is one of the supernatural aspects of Christianity that people have to take on faith because I know of no logical explanation for it that makes sense in the reasoning of the three-pound lump of flabby organic tissue housed in a man's bony little skull sufficing for a mind.


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