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I'm an ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ who is the son of God who God made both Lord and Christ when He raised him out among the dead. Only in your mind have I been caught in a trap.
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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How to walk by the spirit.
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Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Galatians 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Colossians 3:23
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
1 Thessalonians 2:4
But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
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So to be an ambassadors requires one to be "in him" and therefore all of us are not an ambassador because not all of us are walking "in him."
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And what does that have to do with what I wrote.
So I say again:
And?
2 Cor 5:20
We are ambassadors for Christ
How can you call yourself an Ambassador if you do not represent God's purposes to people.
Jesus Himself who served God by serving people even to the point of death. There is a reason that Paul disciplined His body so that He would not be a castaway.
Meaning that what we preach to others we do ourselves. An Ambassador represents his official by what He says and does. And you say you represent Christ yet don't serve the people. But Christ served others He humbled Himself even to the point of death and now lives as our high priest to interceed on our behalf- therefore still servicing as Lord and King.
A king serves his people, also protects them, and sees to their happiness if possible.
Okay bro..you win, you have your own meanings that you must make fit in your boxes.
Like I said before there were experts on the theory that the world was flat. And some people still believe it is...
I'll leave you to your own ideals.
Scared to know your version of the Gospel.
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The beauty of logic is that truth is independent of one's opinion.
Now, an ambassador representing US is appointed by the President of the United States only, not VP or something else. If you claim to be an ambassador for Christ, you were picked by the only entity of supreme power with authority to make you ambassador. You say Christ picked you to be his ambassador and by simple logic that makes Christ God.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
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Seriously P7 you have been quoted various scriptures by now showing Christ is God.
The divinity of Jesus Christ is shown abundantly in scriptures.
John 10:30, Zechariah 12:1,10, Revelation 4:9-11, Revelation 5:8-9 etc etc.
The divinity of Jesus Christ is shown abundantly in scriptures.
John 10:30, Zechariah 12:1,10, Revelation 4:9-11, Revelation 5:8-9 etc etc.
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2 Corinthians 3:4 "And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
The god of this age is Satan, and Christ is Lord and True God. You are an ambassador of Satan that is for sure.
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Just a side note since you mentioned the image of God... The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the “image of God” Colossians 1:15; 2 Corinthians 4:4). If Christ is the image of God, then he cannot be God because a person cannot be himself and an image of himself at the same time. Jesus can be called the “image” of God because he always did the will of God, and because he was the image of God is why he could say you had seen the Father if you had seen him.
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There is no reason to take this verse to mean that Christ was saying that he and the Father make up "one God." The phrase was a common one, and even today if someone used it, people would know exactly what they meant... he and his Father are very much alike. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians about his ministry there, he said that he had planted the seed and Apollos had watered it. Then he said, "... he who plants and he who waters are one..." (1 Corinthians 3:8 NKJV). In the Greek texts, the wording of Paul is the same as that in John 10:30, yet no one claims that Paul and Apollos make up "one being." Christ uses the concept of "being one" in other places, and from them one can see that "one purpose" is what is meant. John 11:52 says Jesus was to die to make all God's children "one." In John 17:11, 21 and 22, Jesus prayed to God that his followers would be "one" as he and God were "one." I think it's obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being in "substance" just as he and his Father were one being or "substance." I believe the meaning is clear: Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose.
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It appears you think an ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ is a bad Christian because he seeks not to serve men.And what does that have to do with what I wrote.
So I say again:
And?
2 Cor 5:20
We are ambassadors for Christ
How can you call yourself an Ambassador if you do not represent God's purposes to people.
Jesus Himself who served God by serving people even to the point of death. There is a reason that Paul disciplined His body so that He would not be a castaway.
Meaning that what we preach to others we do ourselves. An Ambassador represents his official by what He says and does. And you say you represent Christ yet don't serve the people. But Christ served others He humbled Himself even to the point of death and now lives as our high priest to interceed on our behalf- therefore still servicing as Lord and King.
A king serves his people, also protects them, and sees to their happiness if possible.
Okay bro..you win, you have your own meanings that you must make fit in your boxes.
Like I said before there were experts on the theory that the world was flat. And some people still believe it is...
I'll leave you to your own ideals.
Scared to know your version of the Gospel.
Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
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P7 read psalm 7 carefully. At the beginning of psalm 7, David calls "O Lord my God". Lord and God are interchangeable, they mean the same thing.
O Lord my God, in you do I take refuge;
save me from all my pursuers and deliver me,
lest like a lion they tear my soul apart,
rending it in pieces, with none to deliver.
O Lord my God, if I have done this,
if there is wrong in my hands,
If I have repaid my friends with evil
or plundered my enemy without cause,
let the enemy pursue my soul and overtake it,
and let him trample my life to the ground
and lay my glory in the dust. Selah
;Arise, O Lord, in your anger;
lift yourself up against the fury of my enemies;
awake for me; you have appointed a judgment.
Let the assembly of the peoples be gathered about you;
over it return on high.
;The Lord judges the peoples;
judge me, O Lord, according to my righteousness
and according to the integrity that is in me.
Oh, let the evil of the wicked come to an end,
and may you establish the righteous—
you who test the minds and hearts,
O righteous God!
My shield is with God,
who saves the upright in heart.
God is a righteous judge,
and a God who feels indignation every day.
If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword;
he has bent and readied his bow;
;he has prepared for him his deadly weapons,
making his arrows fiery shafts.
;Behold, the wicked man conceives evil
and is pregnant with mischief
and gives birth to lies.
;He makes a pit, digging it out,
and falls into the hole that he has made.
;His mischief returns upon his own head,
and on his own skull his violence descends.
;I will give to the Lord the thanks due to his righteousness,
and I will sing praise to the name of the Lord, the Most High.
O Lord my God, in you do I take refuge;
save me from all my pursuers and deliver me,
lest like a lion they tear my soul apart,
rending it in pieces, with none to deliver.
O Lord my God, if I have done this,
if there is wrong in my hands,
If I have repaid my friends with evil
or plundered my enemy without cause,
let the enemy pursue my soul and overtake it,
and let him trample my life to the ground
and lay my glory in the dust. Selah
;Arise, O Lord, in your anger;
lift yourself up against the fury of my enemies;
awake for me; you have appointed a judgment.
Let the assembly of the peoples be gathered about you;
over it return on high.
;The Lord judges the peoples;
judge me, O Lord, according to my righteousness
and according to the integrity that is in me.
Oh, let the evil of the wicked come to an end,
and may you establish the righteous—
you who test the minds and hearts,
O righteous God!
My shield is with God,
who saves the upright in heart.
God is a righteous judge,
and a God who feels indignation every day.
If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword;
he has bent and readied his bow;
;he has prepared for him his deadly weapons,
making his arrows fiery shafts.
;Behold, the wicked man conceives evil
and is pregnant with mischief
and gives birth to lies.
;He makes a pit, digging it out,
and falls into the hole that he has made.
;His mischief returns upon his own head,
and on his own skull his violence descends.
;I will give to the Lord the thanks due to his righteousness,
and I will sing praise to the name of the Lord, the Most High.
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P7 now that you have read psalm 7 above where plainly Lord is God and vice versa and keeping in mind that from Zechariah 12:1,10 the Lord being referred to is Christ really must you further argue?
I am a very patient man, and I shall follow your case closely. Your case is unique and yet the more you talk the more you fall into a pit of your own making.
I am a very patient man, and I shall follow your case closely. Your case is unique and yet the more you talk the more you fall into a pit of your own making.
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O Yahweh my God... is the text. God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.”
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Nope, and It's true you don't read what people write. Nor answer questions.
How can you call yourself an Ambassador if you do not represent God's purposes to people.
Jesus Himself who served God by serving people even to the point of death. There is a reason that Paul disciplined His body so that He would not be a castaway.
Meaning that what we preach to others we do ourselves. An Ambassador represents his official by what He says and does. And you say you represent Christ yet don't serve the people. But Christ served others He humbled Himself even to the point of death and now lives as our high priest to interceed on our behalf- therefore still servicing as Lord and King.
A king serves his people, also protects them, and sees to their happiness if possible.
Okay bro..you win, you have your own meanings that you must make fit in your boxes.
Like I said before there were experts on the theory that the world was flat. And some people still believe it is...
I'll leave you to your own ideals.
Scared to know your version of the Gospel
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Wow, you really don't properly internalize what I write do you? You just admitted that in English translations of the bible God of the Old Testament is translated as Lord. You have also been saying in previous posts that Jesus Christ is Lord. That makes Jesus Christ God.
Yet you stubbornly refuse to call Jesus Christ God.
Wow, just wow!
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I did not say God was translated Lord. I said God's name "Yahweh" is transited Lord. And the Lord in the Old Testament is not the Lord in the New Testament.
Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
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It's not possible for someone to walk close to the spirit of Jesus Christ and be a bad Christian. It's just not possible. I walk in the spirit. How that makes me a bad Christian is outside of my understanding. But this is where we always end up when we can't converse about the subject matter. We then attack the man personally. This they did also to Jesus when they said well, he came from the wrong family, or he has a devil. etc. etc.Nope, and It's true you don't read what people write. Nor answer questions.
How can you call yourself an Ambassador if you do not represent God's purposes to people.
Jesus Himself who served God by serving people even to the point of death. There is a reason that Paul disciplined His body so that He would not be a castaway.
Meaning that what we preach to others we do ourselves. An Ambassador represents his official by what He says and does. And you say you represent Christ yet don't serve the people. But Christ served others He humbled Himself even to the point of death and now lives as our high priest to interceed on our behalf- therefore still servicing as Lord and King.
A king serves his people, also protects them, and sees to their happiness if possible.
Okay bro..you win, you have your own meanings that you must make fit in your boxes.
Like I said before there were experts on the theory that the world was flat. And some people still believe it is...
I'll leave you to your own ideals.
Scared to know your version of the Gospel
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From Tehillim (Psalms) 7, The Orthodox Jewish Bible we have in the first few verses.
Hashem Elohai, in Thee do I seek refuge; hoshieini (save me) from all them that persecute me, and deliver me;
The Hebrew bible has many names for God like Hashem, Elohim, Adonai etc and Lord and God are used interchangeably in the translations to English.
Again from Tehillim 110, Orthodox Jewish Bible:
(Of Dovid. Mizmor). Hashem said unto Adoni [i.e., Moshiach Adoneinu; Malachi 3:1], Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies a footstool for thy feet.
So Hashem is Lord and Adoni (my Lord) is personal for Adonai (Lord). Adoni refers to Christ who then is Lord also.
As for the Lord of Old Testament being different to the Lord of the New Testament please refer to Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."
I don't think you are getting the logic of my arguments P7. If you truly are a son of Jacob (that is saved) you would humble yourself and accept correction. Christ is Lord and God, I have proven that.
I perceive though your heart is hardened and stubborn and will reject my proof. So be it.
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No one is attacking you personally. On my side, countless times I have offered arguments based on scripture that Christ is God and yet all you do is deflect and provide half baked counter-arguments or just ignore what I have said.
There is no need for you to play the victim card here. All that has been quoted to you from my side has been taken from scripture which is breathed out of God.
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Also, from Revelation 19:6 "Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out,
“Hallelujah!
For the Lord our God
the Almighty reigns."
Clearly, Lord and God are the same thing in the New Testament as well. As I said in a previous post, from Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore, ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."
Further, from Revelation 19:11-16 "Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords."