How to walk by the spirit.

[Bruce.Leiter]

There is no person of the Holy Spirit. We have no evidence in the Bible that “the Holy Spirit” was ever used as a name because no one ever used it in a direct address. Many people spoke or prayed directly to God, starting out by saying “O Yahweh” (translated as “O LORD” in almost all English versions). Furthermore, the name “Jesus” is a Greek form of the name“Joshua” (in fact, the King James Version confuses “Joshua” and “Jesus” in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8) and many people spoke “to Jesus” in the Bible. But no one in the Bible ever used “the Holy Spirit” in a direct address because there's simply no actual name for any “Person” known as “the Holy Spirit” anywhere in the Bible.

Isa_63:10 But they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit; therefore he turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them.
Isa_63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, of Moses and his people. Where is he who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is he who put in the midst of them his Holy Spirit,
Mat_1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
Mat_1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Mat_3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mat_12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Mat_28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mrk_13:11 And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.
Luk_2:26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
Luk_3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”
Luk_10:21 In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.
Luk_11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Jhn_1:33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
Jhn_14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Joh 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Jhn_20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Act_1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Act_1:16 “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.
Act_2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Eph_4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Tit_3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
2Pe_1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Please read through all these passages. If the Holy Spirit isn't a Person, he certainly acts like a Person who can be grieved (both OT and NT). You have set up a false "straw-man" that you have easily knocked down. Of course, no one talks to the Holy Spirit, who always points us at the Father through Jesus, because Jesus said we should pray to the Father in the Lord's Prayer.

I hope that you will find these passages enlightening. God is three Persons in ONE God, a mystery that no human mind can solve (the Gospel of John).

 

[Corinth77777]

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I don't speak for men.

Yet if you are a servant to men you are serving God right?​

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

I speak God’s Word.

If you call yourself an expert and at a Higher level then ....Love should be at the heart of all that you do, especially sense God is love. And love does not boast.

I do not fear people or seek the praise of others.

And if you seek the praise of God, then it is said if you humble yourself before Him He will lift you up.

 

[Peterlag7]

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Yet if you are a servant to men you are serving God right?​

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.



If you call yourself an expert and at a Higher level then ....Love should be at the heart of all that you do, especially sense God is love. And love does not boast.

And if you seek the praise of God, then it is said if you humble yourself before Him He will lift you up.

I do not serve men. I am an ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Peterlag7]

Isa_63:10 But they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit; therefore he turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them.
Isa_63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, of Moses and his people. Where is he who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is he who put in the midst of them his Holy Spirit,
Mat_1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
Mat_1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Mat_3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mat_12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Mat_28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mrk_13:11 And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.
Luk_2:26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
Luk_3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”
Luk_10:21 In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.
Luk_11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Jhn_1:33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
Jhn_14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Joh 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Jhn_20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Act_1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Act_1:16 “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.
Act_2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Eph_4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Tit_3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
2Pe_1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Please read through all these passages. If the Holy Spirit isn't a Person, he certainly acts like a Person who can be grieved (both OT and NT). You have set up a false "straw-man" that you have easily knocked down. Of course, no one talks to the Holy Spirit, who always points us at the Father through Jesus, because Jesus said we should pray to the Father in the Lord's Prayer.

I hope that you will find these passages enlightening. God is three Persons in ONE God, a mystery that no human mind can solve (the Gospel of John).

The words “HOLY SPIRIT” in the Bible are primarily used in two very different ways: One way is to refer to God Himself and the other is referring to God’s nature that He gives to people. God is holy and is spirit and therefore “the Holy Spirit” with a capital “H” and a capital “S” is one of the many “names” or designations for God. God gives His holy spirit nature to people as a gift and when HOLY SPIRIT is used that way it should be translated as the “holy spirit” with a lowercase “h” and a lowercase “s.” The Bible says there is one God, and one Lord, who is the man Jesus Christ; and one gift of the holy spirit. Most Christians are aware that the original manuscripts of the Bible were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. However, it's not well known that Hebrew and Aramaic do not have uppercase and lowercase letters, but rather they just have one form for their letters.

Greek does have upper and lowercase letters, but the early Greek manuscripts were all written with only uppercase letters. Therefore, the early manuscripts had no such thing as the “Holy Spirit” or the “holy spirit” because what was always written was the "HOLY SPIRIT." The capital or lowercase letters are always a translator’s interpretation whenever we read “Holy Spirit” or“holy spirit” or “Spirit” or“spirit” in the English Bible. The difference is usually due to the theology of the translator. The bottom line is we cannot know from the Hebrew or Greek texts whether the Author meant the “Holy Spirit” or the “holy spirit” because we must decide based on the context and scope of Scripture whether the reference being made is to God or God’s gift.

There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.” But God is also referred to as Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai, the Ancient of Days, the Holy One of Israel, Father, Shield, and by many more designations. Furthermore, God is holy (Leviticus 11:44), which is why He was called “the Holy One” (the Hebrew text uses the singular adjective “holy” to designate “the Holy One." He is also spirit (John 4:24). It makes perfect sense since God is holy and God is spirit that “Holy” and “Spirit” are sometimes combined and used as one of the many designations for God. Thus, the Hebrew or Greek words for the "HOLY SPIRIT" should be brought into English as the "Holy Spirit” when the subject of averse is God.

None of the dozens of descriptions, titles, or names of God are believed to be a separate, co-equal “Person”in a triune God except for the “HOLY SPIRIT” and there is no solid biblical reason to make the "Holy Spirit” into a separate “Person.” In other contexts the “HOLY SPIRIT” refers to the gift of God’s nature that He placed on people and the new birth to the Christian, and in those contexts it should be translated as the “holy spirit." God placed a form of His nature which is “holy spirit” upon people when He wanted to spiritually empower them because our natural fleshly human bodies do not have spirit power of their own. This holy spirit nature of God was a gift from God to humankind and we see this in the case of Acts 2:38 when the spirit is specifically called a "gift" when given to the Christian.

God put the holy spirit upon Jesus immediately after he was baptized by John the Baptist because Jesus himself needed God’s gift of the holy spirit to have supernatural power just as the leaders and prophets of the Old Testament did. This fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies that God would put the holy spirit upon the Messiah enabling him in his ministry. The gift of the holy spirit was born “in” believers (John 14:17) after the Day of Pentecost rather than resting “upon” them and this is one reason why Christians are said to be “born again” of God’s spirit (1Peter 1:3, 23). Christians have spiritual power when they receive the gift of the holy spirit (Acts 1:8) because the holy spirit is born in them and becomes part of their very nature, and this is why Christians are called God’s “holy ones” which is usually translated as “saints” in the New Testament.

God put His gift of the “holy spirit” or the “spirit” on as many people as He deemed necessary in the Old Testament, and we see this when we look at how God took the spirit that was upon Moses and put it upon the 70 elders of Israel. However, today everyone who makes Jesus Christ their Lord receives the indwelling gift of the holy spirit and that's why Peter on the Day of Pentecost quoted the prophecy in Joel that said God would “pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh." Many scholars admit the concept of the Trinity that also includes reference to the "Holy Spirit” as an independent “Person” cannot be found in the Old Testament. The Jews to whom the Old Testament was given did not recognize any such being. It's a well-known historical fact that “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone,” was the cry of Israel. No verse or context openly states or even directly infers that there is a separate “Person”called “the Holy Spirit."

 

[Peterlag7]

Zechariah 12:1,10 "The oracle of the word of the Lord concerning Israel: Thus declares the Lord, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him. And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn."

Explain please

Explain What?

 

[Corinth77777]

Explain What?

It's ok. Continue to do you.

I do not serve men. I am an ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Cor 5:20
We are ambassadors for Christ

How can you call yourself an Ambassador if you do not represent God's purposes to people.

Jesus Himself who served God by serving people even to the point of death. There is a reason that Paul disciplined His body so that He would not be a castaway.

Meaning that what we preach to others we do ourselves. An Ambassador represents his official by what He says and does. And you say you represent Christ yet don't serve the people. But Christ served others He humbled Himself even to the point of death and now lives as our high priest to interceed on our behalf- therefore still servicing as Lord and King.

A king serves his people, also protects them, and sees to their happiness if possible.

Okay bro..you win, you have your own meanings that you must make fit in your boxes.

Like I said before there were experts on the theory that the world was flat. And some people still believe it is...

I'll leave you to your own ideals.

Scared to know your version of the Gospel...

 

[Peterlag7]

It's ok. Continue to do you.

2 Cor 5:20
We are ambassadors for Christ

How can you call yourself an Ambassador if you do not represent God's purposes to people.

Jesus Himself who served God by serving people even to the point of death. There is a reason that Paul disciplined His body so that He would not be a castaway.

Meaning that what we preach to others we do ourselves. An Ambassador represents his official by what He says and does. And you say you represent Christ yet don't serve the people. But Christ served others He humbled Himself even to the point of death and now lives as our high priest to interceed on our behalf- therefore still servicing as Lord and King.

A king serves his people, also protects them, and sees to their happiness if possible.

Okay bro..you win, you have your own meanings that you must make fit in your boxes.

Like I said before there were experts on the theory that the world was flat. And some people still believe it is...

I'll leave you to your own ideals.

Scared to know your version of the Gospel.

The context of "we are ambassadors" picks up in verse 17 which is talking about "in Christ" and in verse 21 we have "in him" again. I walk in him (in Christ) and not in serving men.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Corinth77777]

The context of "we are ambassadors" picks up in verse 17 which is talking about "in Christ" and in verse 21 we have "in him" again. I walk in him (in Christ) and not in serving men.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

And?

 

[hawkman]

I walk in him (in Christ) and not in serving men.

By default if you are truly walking in Christ you will be serving men . Prove me wrong .

<br>34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Mark 12:31 - And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
1 John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

 

[Corinth77777]

I figure your ideals are coming from putting things in boxes.

Maybe you are one that believes Peter and Paul were given 2 different gospels.

One for the church and another for israel
I remember a man by the Name of Brian Kelson teaching on something like that.
That there were 2 mysteries.

I think I came across this after trying to understand if there were 2 Gospels..and later came to disagree.

For while I was reading I read Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom and another the death, burial an resurrection.
So I'd ask myself were there 2 gospels. Later I found there was one here.

That life in the kingdom was available to enter now for anyone who believed who Jesus is WITH INTENT TO FOLLOW. Who died, for our sins, was burried and arose again.

That is how I came about the mid Acts thought that divides ....the body of Christ from the Church. Thats why I asked if you were a proponent of mid Acts..or what ever else they call it Acts 28er...
Peterlag

 

[Corinth77777]

I figure your ideals are coming from putting things in boxes.

Maybe you are one that believes Peter and Paul were given 2 different gospels.

One for the church and another for israel
I remember a man by the Name of Brian Kelson teaching on something like that.
That there were 2 mysteries.

I think I came across this after trying to understand if there were 2 Gospels..and later came to disagree.

For while I was reading I read Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom and another the death, burial an resurrection.
So I'd ask myself were there 2 gospels. Later I found there was one here.

That life in the kingdom was available to enter now for anyone who put their trust in the King Jesus who died, for our sins, was burried and arose again.

That is how I came about the mid Acts thought that divides ....the body of Christ from the Church. Thats why I asked if you were a mid Acts..or what ever else they call it Acts 28er...
Peterlag

If anyone googles this then I believe this is what Peter believes:


false teaching that divides the body of Christ from the church

So thats why you call yourself "elite"

If I'm wrong correct me.

 

[Corinth77777]

 

[hawkman]

One for the church and another for israel
I remember a man by the Name of Brian Kelson teaching on something like that.

Ohh , that is some bad stuff , I found a book by Brian Kelson .

 

[Follower Of Christ]

I do not serve men. I am an ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again caught in a trap of your own making. If you are an ambassador you represent the ultimate ruling entity in a domain. So in essence you are saying Christ is God even though you deny Christ is God.

Your thinking is like Schrodinger's cat. And James warned us what duality brings upon a mortal.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

1 John 2:18-20 "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge."

 

[Follower Of Christ]

James 1:5-8 "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways."

Again in James 1:5-8 we ask God for wisdom and if we are double minded we receive nothing from the Lord. Lord and God are one Peterlag7, the same thing. From John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

 

[Follower Of Christ]

2 Timothy 3:8 "Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith."

You Peterlag7 are like Jannes and Jambres in one human being. And I will resist you until you give up. I am a busy man and I cannot contribute to all the threads in here but rest assured I will resist you and your false teachings. You are disqualified as an ambassador of Christ.

 

[Free]

I can work with this so much easier since you have everything on one page.

I have no idea what you even mean.

What you continue to fail to address are the clear statements about people getting baptized in water by Jesus's disciples. They started baptizing people in water during his ministry, were commanded by him to continue baptizing when making disciples of all nations, and then obeyed by continuing to baptize in water. Why would they suddenly just stop?

Please answer this question, which I have asked more than once now.

You have this concept stuck in your mind that baptism means water. It does not. It means to immerse, which means to put something or someone under a liquid or to become completely involved in something. I see the Epistles using it to immerse in Jesus Christ, which has nothing to do with a liquid. John in the Gospels before Jesus was resurrected used it regarding a liquid, but the Epistles do not. Bullinger writes "The difference lies not in the Baptism, but in the relation thereof to Jesus Christ. By Baptism therefore we must understand an immersion whose design like that of the Levitical washing and purification was united with the washing away of sin." E. W. Bullinger., A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament: (London: Samuel Bagster & Sons, 1975), p. 80.

I have no idea why you provided that quote by Bullinger as it fully supports what I've stated--"The difference lies not in the Baptism, but in the relation thereof to Jesus Christ. By Baptism therefore we must understand an immersion whose design like that of the Levitical washing and purification was united with the washing away of sin."

Baptism in the NT always means to immerse in water unless the context indicates otherwise. It is through water baptism that we are "immersed into Jesus," that we are united with him in his death (Rom. 6:3-5). You keep making water baptism and being baptized in the name of Jesus mutually exclusive when they are not:

Act 10:47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. (ESV)

That is what meant by baptism throughout the NT, unless context clearly states otherwise. Why do you want to pit Scripture against itself?

Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed there was a place of prayer, and we sat down and spoke to the women who had come together.
Act 16:14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.
Act 16:15 And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.
It does not mention water.

Context actually matters. They were at the riverside. Rivers are flowing water, unless the context says something different.

.Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. (ESV)
It does not mention water.

Do you think they "washed their wounds" with dirt?

Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ (ESV)
Not with water.

Most likely with water--"wash away your sins." Washing typically implies water. And, given that this was at a time when water was clearly being used for baptism, it almost certainly was with water.

Each of these strongly imply water baptism. It's important to note that Acts 16 occurred around AD 49.
I do not see water mentioned. I see Jesus Christ being mentioned or in the name of the Lord.

Yes, and you erroneously believe that they are mutually exclusive.

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Does not mention water.

There is only one baptism. Given that it was done with water, "baptism" refers to water baptism.

Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (ESV)
"One baptism," which is water baptism, that shows one is a part of the body of Christ.
Does not mention water. You mention water. The Epistles do not.

Again, there is only one baptism--water baptism. They don't need to mention water if that is what everyone at the time understood baptism to mean. Do you really think they should have to say "water baptism" or "baptism by water" every single time, as though there were some other baptism?

Here is the main problem with your position. You falsely separate water baptism from being baptized in the name of Jesus. You then fallaciously beg the question every time baptism is mentioned in the epistles by assuming that mention of baptism has nothing to do with water. But, you have taken those mentions and divorced them from the context of the rest of the NT, ignoring the Didache in the process.

Again, everything in the NT that speaks of baptism, unless there is some other obvious context, points to water baptism. There is not only nothing to indicate that water baptism stopped, but that it continued, as I previously pointed out with quotes from the Didache, which you didn't address.

I hope we are communicating better now that you put everything on the same page.

Again, I have no idea what you mean by this. Why did you still ignore what I quoted from the Didache?

 

[Follower Of Christ]

Acts 2:38 "And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Baptism comes from the Greek word baptizo or to immerse. Now there is baptism by water for the remission of one's sins and baptism by the Holy Spirit through which the elect are sealed for eternity. Baptism by water is required to receive baptism by the Holy Spirit.

Regardless, no human act though compels God to do as he pleases. Holy Spirit is a gift God provides at a specified time and place. You cannot condition God to act in a specific way by some human act like water baptism.

I was water baptized at an Eastern Orthodox Church and immersed three times. I sincerely replied to everything the priest asked me. I have received the Holy Spirit much later and I know two things:

1. I needed to be water baptized first.
2. God sent his Holy Spirit as a gift, not because some human act of mine and priest conditioned Him to do so.

Regardless, from the time I was called, repented of my sins and was water baptized I was under God's grace. By God's grace from the time I repented of my sins and was water baptized the Holy Spirit was by my side and then through God's free gift in me.

 

[Peterlag7]

I have no idea what you even mean.


Please answer this question, which I have asked more than once now.


I have no idea why you provided that quote by Bullinger as it fully supports what I've stated--"The difference lies not in the Baptism, but in the relation thereof to Jesus Christ. By Baptism therefore we must understand an immersion whose design like that of the Levitical washing and purification was united with the washing away of sin."

Baptism in the NT always means to immerse in water unless the context indicates otherwise. It is through water baptism that we are "immersed into Jesus," that we are united with him in his death (Rom. 6:3-5). You keep making water baptism and being baptized in the name of Jesus mutually exclusive when they are not:

Act 10:47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. (ESV)

That is what meant by baptism throughout the NT, unless context clearly states otherwise. Why do you want to pit Scripture against itself?


Context actually matters. They were at the riverside. Rivers are flowing water, unless the context says something different.


Do you think they "washed their wounds" with dirt?


Most likely with water--"wash away your sins." Washing typically implies water. And, given that this was at a time when water was clearly being used for baptism, it almost certainly was with water.


Yes, and you erroneously believe that they are mutually exclusive.


There is only one baptism. Given that it was done with water, "baptism" refers to water baptism.


Again, there is only one baptism--water baptism. They don't need to mention water if that is what everyone at the time understood baptism to mean. Do you really think they should have to say "water baptism" or "baptism by water" every single time, as though there were some other baptism?

Here is the main problem with your position. You falsely separate water baptism from being baptized in the name of Jesus. You then fallaciously beg the question every time baptism is mentioned in the epistles by assuming that mention of baptism has nothing to do with water. But, you have taken those mentions and divorced them from the context of the rest of the NT, ignoring the Didache in the process.


Again, I have no idea what you mean by this. Why did you still ignore what I quoted from the Didache?

Bullinger writes... "To make a thing dipped or dyed. To immerse for a religious purpose, may be traced back to the Levitical washings ( out of which arose the baptism of proselytes) which were connected with the purification which followed on and completed the expiation from sin. What was unusual in John's baptism was that he performed the baptism on others whereas under the law each one accomplished it for himself. Baptism of John was the baptism of repentance and Christian baptism is baptism of faith. The difference lies not in the baptism, but in the relation thereof to Jesus Christ. By baptism therefore we must understand an immersion whose design like that of the Levitical washings and purification was united with the washing away of sin."