Bible Study Christians commanded to keep the Sabbath? (7th Day)

[Jay T]

I could point out some of John's off topic posting but then I guess he would accuse me of Catholic tactics and off topic posting again. There ya go again. :roll: John do you ever bring up anyone elses off topic posts or just Catholics? .

The Bible only identifes 2 churches.....the Catholic church, and the SDA church.

 

[SputnikBoy]

I could point out some of John's off topic posting but then I guess he would accuse me of Catholic tactics and off topic posting again. There ya go again. :roll: John do you ever bring up anyone elses off topic posts or just Catholics? .

The Bible only identifes 2 churches.....the Catholic church, and the SDA church.

Hmmm ...I don't know about that, Jay T. While I know (I think) that you are talking about 'churches' (or religious systems) and not individuals it can give the impression that 1.as long as I'm a Catholic, I am therefore lost or/and, 2.as long as I'm an SDA I am therefore saved. The 'remnant church' are the genuine believers in Jesus and not a denomination. But, you know that, of course ...?

 

[Vic C.]

The Bible only identifes 2 churches.....the Catholic church, and the SDA church.

The Bible identifies one ekklesia; the Body of Christ, as Sputnik pointed out. It does not specifically identify denominations.

 

[John the Baptist]

The Bible only identifes 2 churches.....the Catholic church, and the SDA church.

The Bible identifies one ekklesia; the Body of Christ, as Sputnik pointed out. It does not specifically identify denominations.

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So, what in the world does the Word of God teach then???????????? Nothing? Come and let us reason together sayeth the Lord? with what?? :robot? Ephesians 4:5, John 10:16, Revelation 18:4, Revelation 1:19-20, Revelation 2:5, Revelation 3:9, Revelation 18:4, Revelation 17:1-5 and on & on! And if 'anyone' cannot see any thing in the [BOOK] to identify denominations, then their postings need a fresh start as I see it? See Isaiah 5:3

The statement by Jay was nearly correct, (but see Luke 12:47-48 for those who are only close to the truth, with their 'garbled' stuff) there are only two folds at the ending, Rome with all of the lost in one satanic fold (that includes Adventists) and the ones of Revelation 3:10 who replaces the candlestick of spewed out Laodicea. See again Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15

---John

 

[Jay T]

This is why the sabbath was changed, but you really can't change it, because God did not change it, but it was done without the permission of God.

Why then, does the modern Christian world, who claim to be followers of God, not fight the errors that have taken the world captive ?

I mean, after all.......the Bible does say:
Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law".

Yet, we find that the Christian world-at-large fights against God's Law, intertesting ?

 

[SputnikBoy]

Perhaps the answer to the thread title is far less complex than we often make it. I believe that Christians are to be obedient to the commandments of God among which the 4th-command pertaining to the Sabbath is included.

If we were to ask the question, “Are Christians Commanded Not To Murder (substitute any of the other commandments in place of 'murder')â€Â, I doubt that this would get the same response as does the issue of the Sabbath. Generally speaking, Christians HATE the Sabbath command. It makes some of them actually squirm. I wonder why?

 

[Jay T]

Perhaps the answer to the thread title is far less complex than we often make it. I believe that Christians are to be obedient to the commandments of God among which the 4th-command pertaining to the Sabbath is included.

If we were to ask the question, “Are Christians Commanded Not To Murder (substitute any of the other commandments in place of 'murder')â€Â, I doubt that this would get the same response as does the issue of the Sabbath. Generally speaking, Christians HATE the Sabbath command. It makes some of them actually squirm. I wonder why?

Actually, Revelation 12:17 tells us that since satan hates the commandments of God, it is the 4th commandment he seems to hate the most, and inspires the majority of the Christian world to hate it also,

Personally, I believe that satan's hatred of the sabbath stems from the fact that the sabbath points us to who the true God of this world is, and satan wants to be the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4), and so he tries to bury the memorial of Creation, which the 7th day sabbath is, and tries to substitute another day, in its stead....Sunday.

 

[nol]

Hi Jay T,

I come from a sabbath keeping background. In fact to this day we meet with others on saturdays (all day long). However I now see the reality of which the sabbath day was pointing towards. It was/is a shadow of the believers rest in Christ which is to be 24/7.

Do I keep the 'Bible sabbath'? I believe I do. There is nothing more Biblical than Christ Jesus. From Genesis to Revelation the book's subject and ulitmate object is Christ.

A technique in sales is to offer 2 products of differing quality. By giving a choice the customer is placed in a position of making a discision between the two. The idea is that he will choose the best deal and will make a choice to buy.

The thing is with the sabbath issue it is not a choice between saturday and sunday, it is a choice between shadow and reality. The 'authorities' at work in our world, be they RC , SDA etc. are offering 2 choices that are not really the main issue. One side says 'sunday is the day to keep' the other side says 'saturday (the 7th day) is the day to keep'.

The abomination that causes desolation is not the observing or non-observing of a day. Rather it is not recieving and trusting in Christ as life.

In the 1st Century the nation of Israel rejected Messiah, which was an abomination, 40 years later they were desolated.

In the end time the issue is not which day you observe but rather what do you do with Christ Jesus the Son of God. Do you believe and trust Him or do you do your own thing by trusting in self and this world and side with satan?

The 7th day sabbath is not now the seal of God. The seal of God is faith in Christ and rebirth by the Holy Spirit.

As I see it the issue of which day to worship on is a 'red herring' meant to deflect the true issue.

nol

 

[Jay T]

Hi Jay T,

I come from a sabbath keeping background. In fact to this day we meet with others on saturdays (all day long). However I now see the reality of which the sabbath day was pointing towards. It was/is a shadow of the believers rest in Christ which is to be 24/7.

Do I keep the 'Bible sabbath'? I believe I do. There is nothing more Biblical than Christ Jesus. From Genesis to Revelation the book's subject and ulitmate object is Christ.

A technique in sales is to offer 2 products of differing quality. By giving a choice the customer is placed in a position of making a discision between the two. The idea is that he will choose the best deal and will make a choice to buy.

The thing is with the sabbath issue it is not a choice between saturday and sunday, it is a choice between shadow and reality. The 'authorities' at work in our world, be they RC , SDA etc. are offering 2 choices that are not really the main issue. One side says 'sunday is the day to keep' the other side says 'saturday (the 7th day) is the day to keep'.

The abomination that causes desolation is not the observing or non-observing of a day. Rather it is not recieving and trusting in Christ as life.

In the 1st Century the nation of Israel rejected Messiah, which was an abomination, 40 years later they were desolated.

In the end time the issue is not which day you observe but rather what do you do with Christ Jesus the Son of God. Do you believe and trust Him or do you do your own thing by trusting in self and this world and side with satan?

The 7th day sabbath is not now the seal of God. The seal of God is faith in Christ and rebirth by the Holy Spirit.

As I see it the issue of which day to worship on is a 'red herring' meant to deflect the true issue.

nol

I thinbk what you are saying is summed up in the following Bible verse......
20:20 "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".
The 7th day sabbath is merely the sign of a trusting relationship with the Lord God, Jesus Christ.
It is the works of faith, manifested in the life.

 

[Jay T]

My suggestion to the "Sabbath police' is to pray over all of those that offend you by what day they honor or dishonor.

Yet, the 7th day sabbath is PART of the Everlasting Gospel message......

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Know where that phrase is taken from ?.....

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Pray that they would walk close to the Lord, and seek truth and righteousness.

And, Righteousness is defined as the commandments of God (Psalms 119:172).

The Truth ?Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth.

119:151 Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth.

 

[cyberjosh]

I've participated in one too many "Sabbath" threads here online, but I thought I'd give my thoughts on something in short.

Sputnik said:

The Sabbath was as important to the disciples as any member of their body and they would NEVER have abandoned it.

Yeah it was very important to the Disciples because they were Jewish, and they continued to observe some of the old laws inside the freedom of the new covenant but did so for tradition's sake and zeal. For example James and the elders probably still did most of the things in Jewish law that weren't required of the Gentiles in the list of the Jerusalem Council. So they realized their freedom to observe their own traditions inside the liberty of the new covenant (but not enslaving themselves again to the law - like the Galatians did) while not imposing such things on the Gentiles. For example Paul did something for James and the Elders at the end of the book of Acts for the Jews' sake only, though it had no bearing on his salvation or Christian walk. He was asked to take a Nazarite vow and shave his head with other devout Jews to assure them that he had not forsaken the law (because a rumor was spreading that Paul preached against the law -saying it was bad and void - while he infact didn't and only emphasized freedom from under the law, though it was glroious and good). So he did something of Jewish tradition for their sake only.

Also we see some other Jewish customs were arbitrary: Paul circumcised Timothy (which wasn't even required of the Gentiles) but did not do the same for Titus.

 

[Jay T]

20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

 

[cyberjosh]

20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

Oh yes, that explains it all now.

 

[Fnerb]

Oh yes, that explains it all now.

Doesn't it though? I can say read Romans 14 which treats the setting aside of a day or not setting aside one day as an adiaphoron, but it will do no good.

 

[Jay T]

Doesn't it though? I can say read Romans 14 which treats the setting aside of a day or not setting aside one day as an adiaphoron, but it will do no good.

OK...compare.....

20:20 " And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God".

WITH......

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

QUESTION: Which Bible verse is right, and which one is WRONG ?

 

[cyberjosh]

QUESTION: Which Bible verse is right, and which one is WRONG ?

I think you are really missing the big picture.

There's just about as big a difference there as when David said "Do not take your Holy Spirit from me" and us Christians having the Holy Spirit as a seal for the day of redemption (God isn't going to take his Spirit away from us).

The difference is between the Old and New Covenants for both of those examples.

 

[wavy]

I think you are really missing the big picture.

There's just about as big a difference there as when David said "Do not take your Holy Spirit from me" and us Christians having the Holy Spirit as a seal for the day of redemption (God isn't going to take his Spirit away from us).

The difference is between the Old and New Covenants for both of those examples.

Not in David's case, however. David's Psalm expressed the fear, not the reality, of losing the Holy Spirit.

Kind regards,
Eric.

 

[Jay T]

Not in David's case, however. David's Psalm expressed the fear, not the reality, of losing the Holy Spirit.

Kind regards,
Eric.

God will DO AS HE SAYS.........

59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear.

 

[Fnerb]

I have a question. And please, if this scripture has been quoted let me know.

First Matthew 19:16-19
16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

18 "Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Here we is a direct question to Jesus on the questions to follow. Did Jesus just forget to mention the 3rd commandment? No.

Other points in scripture (these I'm sure have been posted before)...

Acts 20:7 - The first day of the week would have been Sunday. Breaking Bread? Communion.

1 Corinthians 16:1-2 - Here Paul was instructing to set money aside on the first day of the week. I believe he is talking about tithing...

Col. 2:16-17 - I have posed this before. I'm not going to judge you Jay T for meeting on Saturday's. We are actually trying to get a Saturday evening service at our church. Personally, I try to consider everyday as one to worship our Lord.[/b]

 

[Jay T]

I have a question. And please, if this scripture has been quoted let me know.

First Matthew 19:16-19
16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

18 "Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Here we is a direct question to Jesus on the questions to follow. Did Jesus just forget to mention the 3rd commandment? No.

Did you notice Jeuss din't mention ANY of the first 4 commandments....the ones dealing with God Himself ?

Other points in scripture (these I'm sure have been posted before)...

Acts 20:7 - The first day of the week would have been Sunday. Breaking Bread? Communion.

They broke bread...DAILY..... 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.
2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

1 Corinthians 16:1-2 - Here Paul was instructing to set money aside on the first day of the week. I believe he is talking about tithing...

Do you always make the Bible says what it does not say ?
NO money is mentioned......NO tithing is mentioned.

Col. 2:16-17 - I have posed this before. I'm not going to judge you Jay T for meeting on Saturday's. We are actually trying to get a Saturday evening service at our church. Personally, I try to consider everyday as one to worship our Lord.[/b]

The BEST course to follow, is the example set forth by Jesus Christ Himself.
He is the WAT, the TRUTH, and the LIFE.