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Church Of England Allows Female Bishops

OzSpen said:
The fact remains that Acts 1 confirms that Matthias was the man to replace Judas and not Paul. Your 'self evident' label doesn't work when compared with Scripture.
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As I first stated I don't believe the 11 waited on a answer to their prayer. They cast lots. You allow Jesus to be human but not the apostles?

Randy
 
Randy said:
As I first stated I don't believe the 11 waited on a answer to their prayer. They cast lots. You allow Jesus to be human but not the apostles?

Randy
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I go on what the text states and not what I wish it stated. The inerrant Scripture states that Matthias replaced Judas and it was not the apostle Paul who replaced him.
 
OzSpen said:
I go on what the text states and not what I wish it stated. The inerrant Scripture states that Matthias replaced Judas and it was not the apostle Paul who replaced him.
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The inerrant scripture also states Paul was set aside at birth which was long before Matthias was chosen by lot.


Randy
 
Randy said:
The inerrant scripture also states Paul was set aside at birth which was long before Matthias was chosen by lot.


Randy
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Nevertheless, Acts 1:21-28 (ESV) demonstrates that the chosen one to replace Judas was Matthias and not Paul.
 
OzSpen said:
Nevertheless, Acts 1:21-28 (ESV) demonstrates that the chosen one to replace Judas was Matthias and not Paul.
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Jesus's style was different -

"Lord," Ananias answered, "I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem.
But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.16I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
 
And also remember that they did all the praying and casting lots before the Holy Spirit came upon them and after the Holy Spirit's entrance into the picture it's a different story. I completely agree with Randy that Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God.
 
jonahmano said:
And also remember that they did all the praying and casting lots before the Holy Spirit came upon them and after the Holy Spirit's entrance into the picture it's a different story. I completely agree with Randy that Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God.
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I also agree with you that Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God. However, Acts 1 confirms that Matthias was the replacement apostle for Judas and not Paul.
 
OzSpen said:
I also agree with you that Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God. However, Acts 1 confirms that Matthias was the replacement apostle for Judas and not Paul.
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The Lord picks who HE wants such as when He chose Peter.
When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus' knees and said, "Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!"

As I stated Acts is a truthful accounting of what took place. Paul was the Lords choice as I read in Acts as well.

Randy
 
Randy said:
The Lord picks who HE wants such as when He chose Peter.
When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus' knees and said, "Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!"

As I stated Acts is a truthful accounting of what took place. Paul was the Lords choice as I read in Acts as well.

Randy
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When you don't deal with the specifics I raised of Matthias replacing Judas as Acts 1:23-26 (ESV) confirms and then go in your own direction with the content, you commit a red herring logical fallacy. We can't have a logical conversation when you do that, as is demonstrated in the going around in circles of our recent posts.

Because of this, I'm leaving this conversation with you.
 
OzSpen said:
When you don't deal with the specifics I raised of Matthias replacing Judas as Acts 1:23-26 (ESV) confirms and then go in your own direction with the content, you commit a red herring logical fallacy. We can't have a logical conversation when you do that, as is demonstrated in the going around in circles of our recent posts.

Because of this, I'm leaving this conversation with you.
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OzSpen said:
When you don't deal with the specifics I raised of Matthias replacing Judas as Acts 1:23-26 (ESV) confirms and then go in your own direction with the content, you commit a red herring logical fallacy. We can't have a logical conversation when you do that, as is demonstrated in the going around in circles of our recent posts.

Because of this, I'm leaving this conversation with you.
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I addressed that accounting. You didn't accept what I had to say. So what you write is good in the sense you will not convince me there are 13 apostles. I only hold to the "12" and Paul was chosen by Jesus - not by lot. The apostles understood from scripture that ONE was to takes Judas's slot. I guess I can see why Paul had to defend his apostleship in his writings. It seems a lot of the NT is filled with Paul's letters. Even so Paul was a man and human.

Randy
 
Randy said:
I addressed that accounting. You didn't accept what I had to say. So what you write is good in the sense you will not convince me there are 13 apostles. I only hold to the "12" and Paul was chosen by Jesus - not by lot. The apostles understood from scripture that ONE was to takes Judas's slot. I guess I can see why Paul had to defend his apostleship in his writings. It seems a lot of the NT is filled with Paul's letters. Even so Paul was a man and human.
Randy
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We know from 1 Cor 15:3-8 (NIV) that there were more than 12 apostles whom Jesus appeared to, after the resurrection:
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.​

So, we have the Twelve, all the apostles, AND Paul.
 
angel page said:
Jesus had no problem with women in his company. Some of the early apostles or teachers of the gospel were women.
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Why don't you provide us with the biblical evidence for this teaching? What causes you to believe that some early apostles and teachers of the Gospel were women?

I do not find it helpful when you make assertions and provide no evidence.
 
OzSpen said:
We know from 1 Cor 15:3-8 (NIV) that there were more than 12 apostles whom Jesus appeared to, after the resurrection:
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.​

So, we have the Twelve, all the apostles, AND Paul.
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The Lord had ascended to heaven before Matthias was chosen by LOT. Ref vs (5) "and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve" So who was number 12?

So are we now at 14 apostles in your mind?

As I state a seat that one sits on to judge one of the 12 tribes of Israel is not a seat that man can give even if they are one of the 11 apostles of the Lord.

The apostles understood from scripture that ONE was to replace judas's vacant seat. So either way what was done in acts is not a prescription to choose more then that one apostle.

Like others state we shall see in heaven who the 12th person is sitting on the thrones Jesus spoke of. I would be surprised if it isn't Paul.

Randy
 
OzSpen said:
Why don't you provide us with the biblical evidence for this teaching? What causes you to believe that some early apostles and teachers of the Gospel were women?

I do not find it helpful when you make assertions and provide no evidence.
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I don't believe there were any female apostles. However as the gospel reached the gentiles it is certainly reasonable to me that Paul would have come upon female leaders who taught the gospel to others. I don't believe Paul would have torn them down.

The importance of the NT message is to show Jesus is the Christ and people need to go to Him for life.

"But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

Randy
 
Randy said:
I don't believe there were any female apostles. However as the gospel reached the gentiles it is certainly reasonable to me that Paul would have come upon female leaders who taught the gospel to others. I don't believe Paul would have torn them down.

The importance of the NT message is to show Jesus is the Christ and people need to go to Him for life.

"But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

Randy
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You are using a question begging fallacy (going around in circles) and we can't engage in a constructive conversation when you do this.

Bye
 
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