Bible Study Church Women Are to Be Well Behaved.

[Jacob62]

"That women adorn themself in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety, not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but with good works. Let the women learn in silence with all subjugation. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Tim. 2:9-14

In summary, this Word of Divine inspiration requires Church women are to:
1.) Wear only "modest apparel," nothing to demand attention, or to reflect their bouncy mood, or to celebrate a loud season color.
2.) Be "shamefaced." (#127 bashful, reverent, downcast eyes) Not hooting it up with chit chat and excessive feelings. Minimal laughing.
3.) Have "sobriety." (#4997 sanity, self control)
No screaming, handle your caffeine.
4.) No "gold." It is the pretense of wealth issue, I believe.
5.) No "braided hair." Rrasonably as well no dyes, no extensions, no wigs, no Hollywood look, no Goth, no shaved patches, no glitter, no bouffant.
5.) No "pearls." Nobody should really abuse those oysters, or waste the money which can be given away.
6.) No "costly array." Nordstrom's, Eddie Bauer, Coach purses, high end Camo, you know what it is. This includes those fancy wedding dresses, too.
7.) "With good works." Actual material deeds, not just ideas for the husband to do. Not just chit chat brainstorming.
8.) Twice the passage specifies "silence." That means be quiet.
9.) "Learn." That means pay attention and remember.
10.) "All subjection." (#5292 "subjection" Webster's "n. under authority or control, owing allegiance) No freedom to be unsupervised upon their own pursuits.
11.) Not to "teach." Even if they have a desire, or a good reason, or because people like their personality, or are confident, or went to college.
12.) "Nor to usurp authority over the man." The Men have final say upon all matters. Women are not to persistently speak what they think should happen, or be purchased, or be "fixed so that it is nice!"
13.) "[Eve] the woman being deceived was in the transgression." This statement is clear.

Praise God for His loving direction upon this. Notice there is no given discussion within the text on these specifications.

Regards.

 

[for_his_glory]

Good works always need to be first place above anything that adorns itself. Flash does clash with the purpose of God's ministry if we are fussing about the fancier things of life that has no bearing on that which God calls us to according to His time and purpose under heaven.

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law" (1 Corinthians 14:34).

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (1 Timothy 2:11-12).

In these verses, Paul cannot be addressing women who were in the ministry, but rather those in the congregation who were out of order. How do we know this? We have many such proofs, many from Paul himself. Here is a partial list of women who were all in influential positions of leadership in the early church.

Pheobe (Romans 16:1-2): This woman was a deaconess of the church in Cenchrea, who was beloved of Paul and many other Christians for the help she gave to them. She filled an important position of leadership. It would be a difficult stretch of the imagination to say that this woman fulfilled her duties without ever speaking in the church!

Priscilla (Acts 18:26): Priscilla and her husband Aquila are often mentioned with great respect by Paul. Together they were pastors of a church in Ephesus, and were responsible for teaching the full gospel to Apollos. We are informed that they both taught Apollos, and pastored the church together. In fact, Priscilla is sometimes listed ahead of Aquila when their names come up. This has led some to speculate that of the two, she was the primary teacher and her husband oversaw the ministry. At any rate, we see here a woman in a very prominent position of teaching and pastoring. (Other references to Priscilla and Aquila are Acts 18:2, 18; Romans 16:3, and I Corinthians 16:19).

Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2-3): Here we see reference to two women who were "true yokefellow" and who labored with Paul in the advancement of the gospel.

Junia (Romans 16:7): In this verse we see Paul sending greetings to Andronicus and Junia, his "fellow-prisoners" who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a woman's name. In some modern translations, an "s" has been added (Junias) because the translators were so sure a woman could not be an apostle, that they assumed a copyist has accidentally dropped the "s." However the proper male ending would have been "ius," not "ias." No church commentator earlier than the Middle Ages questioned that Junia was both a woman and an apostle.

Though there were other women throughout the Bible in positions of leadership, such as prophetesses, evangelists, judges, leaders, etc., the above references should be enough to establish that women were indeed a vital and normal part of church leadership. Paul expected women to speak in the church, or else why would he have given the following directive. It would have been useless to give directions for women who were speaking in the church, if they were never allowed to do so.

Furthermore, if Paul believed that all women should never teach or speak in church, why does he commend many women who did just that.​

 

[Fastfredy0]

1 Timothy 2:11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with all submissiveness. 12 I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet [in the congregation]. 13 For Adam was formed first [by God from the earth], then Eve; 14 and it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was led astray and fell into sin.

God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.

Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11–14.

In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1–13; Titus 1:6–9).

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.

The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.

What does the Bible say about women pastors? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about women pastors? Does the Bible restrict a woman from serving as a pastor?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Jacob62]

1 Timothy 2:11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with all submissiveness. 12 I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet [in the congregation]. 13 For Adam was formed first [by God from the earth], then Eve; 14 and it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was led astray and fell into sin.

God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.

Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11–14.

In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1–13; Titus 1:6–9).

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11–14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11–12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13–14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22–33) and in the church.

The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.

What does the Bible say about women pastors? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about women pastors? Does the Bible restrict a woman from serving as a pastor?

www.gotquestions.org

Was there something to be added to what has already been said? Thanks for confirming God's Word. Nice work

As ever.

 

[for_his_glory]

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).

It is interesting to note that God called both male and female, "Adam" in the day they were created. Adam means "man." Adam and Eve were created with God-ordained differences from each other, but together they made a full "man," or a complete picture of God Himself. There was perfection in their union. Their differences were not a source of discord or inequality, but a beautiful compliment to each other. Together, God gave them the task of overseeing His creation.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:28).

Notice that God gave the above commission to them both. There is no hint that there was anything but equal authority between man and woman as they existed in a sinless state. What changed things? In the next few chapters of Genesis, we find that sin entered the heart of Adam and Eve. The result was a temporary curse placed upon both man and woman, which would affect the whole earth.

This curse has affected all aspects of creation, from the ground itself (infested with weeds and thorns) to human relationships. (I say temporary, because in Christ this curse is removed, as we shall see later on).

When Eve ate the forbidden fruit and enticed Adam to sin with her, one of the consequences for women was the loss of equality with men, as men were to rule over women, instead of men and women ruling together. She would now be "ruled by her husband." However, when Jesus came as sinless Man and died as the Messiah on the cross for us, all things were restored positionally. In actuality, the restoration of man (men and women) began to take place at that very moment.

Though the complete cleansing of the curse has not yet been manifested on the earth, the day is coming when it will be so. Or to put it another way, all those who receive Jesus as Savior receive restoration as Sons of God, but not all of us walk in that restoration--yet. Through Jesus, the curse upon women has been lifted. Women no longer have to receive pain in childbirth nor are they inferior to man with him ruling over them. Women can now be restored to their original place and plan that God had for all His "sons." Although we do not see all things restored at this time, "legally" in the spiritual realm, they already have been.

Adam was the head of the first race of mankind; and Jesus is the head of the last race, the adopted children of God. God only sees two races--the Adamic race (all natural-born mankind) and His children through Jesus (all those born of the spirit).

"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (I Corinthians 15:21-22).

Once we are born into the kingdom of God, we become new creatures in Christ. In the Spirit, we find there is "neither male nor female," just as there are neither race distinctions nor class separations. The Lord looks on the hearts of His new creatures and therefore does not discriminate when He offers His love and privileges. Women are not excluded from any of God's promises nor callings merely because of their sex.

Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Within God's own nature we find these same qualities. Both men and women are to become like Him as we are conformed to His image. Since this is true, there are times that under the unction of the Holy Spirit a woman should assert herself boldly. (This assertion, however, should not necessarily be toward others, but rather toward the enemy, Satan!) For men and women to become over comers they must have this boldness and authority over the devil. God still desires that His people rule and reign with Him. His intention is to qualify us for that position, whether we are male or female. "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen" (Revelation 1:6).

Even though "kings" is a masculine term, this is the ultimate destination He desires for all of His people. The Lord often uses both male and female terms to refer to both sexes. Women are to live in the "hidden man of the heart" (1 Peter 3:4). Both men and women in the church are referred to as "the bride of Christ." God has both a masculine and feminine nature. The mother heart of Jesus was evident as he prayed over Jerusalem.

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matthew 23:37).

Submission is considered to be a feminine trait. However, Jesus submitted to the cross under the direction of the Father. If we walk in the Spirit, we too will possess both the masculine aggressiveness and feminine submissiveness of God.

Both submissiveness and aggressiveness are God-given strengths. Yet, both can be perverted, so that we become submissive and aggressive in the wrong ways, with the wrong attitudes. Because these qualities are so misused and misunderstood by the world, they have become distasteful and despised. If aggression is frowned upon, submission is viewed in an even more negative light in western culture. We equate submission with weakness and lack of spirit. Nothing could be further from the truth. There was never a human being more submitted to God than Jesus Christ-- yet never was there one as completely resistant to the system of the world! It took extraordinary submissiveness and aggression for Jesus to overcome the world. For the Christian, whether we are male or female, He is our model. We are to possess His qualities and use them according to the needs around us.​

 

[EvolvingChristian]

But I suffer not a woman to teach

I have three questions.

Why were women instructed NOT to teach the gospel?

Is there a female preacher that tells the truth of the gospel?

Is there a male preacher whose preaching is infallible?

 

[dashboardchic19]

"That women adorn themself in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety, not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but with good works. Let the women learn in silence with all subjugation. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Tim. 2:9-14

In summary, this Word of Divine inspiration requires Church women are to:
1.) Wear only "modest apparel," nothing to demand attention, or to reflect their bouncy mood, or to celebrate a loud season color.
2.) Be "shamefaced." (#127 bashful, reverent, downcast eyes) Not hooting it up with chit chat and excessive feelings. Minimal laughing.
3.) Have "sobriety." (#4997 sanity, self control)
No screaming, handle your caffeine.
4.) No "gold." It is the pretense of wealth issue, I believe.
5.) No "braided hair." Rrasonably as well no dyes, no extensions, no wigs, no Hollywood look, no Goth, no shaved patches, no glitter, no bouffant.
5.) No "pearls." Nobody should really abuse those oysters, or waste the money which can be given away.
6.) No "costly array." Nordstrom's, Eddie Bauer, Coach purses, high end Camo, you know what it is. This includes those fancy wedding dresses, too.
7.) "With good works." Actual material deeds, not just ideas for the husband to do. Not just chit chat brainstorming.
8.) Twice the passage specifies "silence." That means be quiet.
9.) "Learn." That means pay attention and remember.
10.) "All subjection." (#5292 "subjection" Webster's "n. under authority or control, owing allegiance) No freedom to be unsupervised upon their own pursuits.
11.) Not to "teach." Even if they have a desire, or a good reason, or because people like their personality, or are confident, or went to college.
12.) "Nor to usurp authority over the man." The Men have final say upon all matters. Women are not to persistently speak what they think should happen, or be purchased, or be "fixed so that it is nice!"
13.) "[Eve] the woman being deceived was in the transgression." This statement is clear.

Praise God for His loving direction upon this. Notice there is no given discussion within the text on these specifications.

Regards.

Are you married?

 

[EvolvingChristian]

I just wonder if the verses were intended for women back in those days.

Some verses cause me to question whether ALL of the bible is the 100% inspired word of God.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

In 1 Timothy 2:9-14, this is part of Paul addressing the church.

If we only read only 1 Timothy 2:9-14, we don't get the complete part of Paul's message. Here is 1 Timothy 2:1-15 (NIV):

I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.

Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


*Let's remember that Paul was an educated Roman citizen and wrote like the philosopher's did. His format of writing is very much an A1, B1, C1, C2, B2, A2 type of format. Meaning, he'd make a point, make another point, then another, and then circle back around to those points.

In the first paragraph, we see it referencing all people. Peace and "quietness" can mean to be in compliance with the law rather than in rebellion against it. It isn't only the physical act of not talking.

Let's go down to the next paragraph, it mentions men specifically. It is possible that men of this time were arguing with one another rather than praising and worshiping God. Some people of this time also worshiped other god's by shouting loudly and wailing. It's possible that could be why this was discouraged.

Then, we get down to women (see that this is plural - women), to dress modestly. Keep in mind, we are talking about churches that were surrounded by cultures of those worshiping gods and goddesses and some would adorn themselves to go to the temples or worship gods/goddesses. We had cults like that of Dionysus with cross dressing, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. Some prostitutes of the time would also adorn their hair ornaments of some kind and this could possibly send a confusing message coming to a Christian congregation in this type of dress.

Considering the culture and time is important, too.

What gets more interesting is we see that it's not women anymore, it's "a woman," so who are we talking about? This woman was said to be the woman of Ephesus. Women in this day and age were not privileged enough to have an education. Women were often looked down upon as less than human, basically worthless, like an animal, and were not often taught.

This is discouraging a false teacher within the church - a woman that may not even fully understood that she was saying things that weren't correct and possibly leading others astray. Many pastors would discourage that kind of thing in their own congregations today as we can agree that false teaching is not good.

Instead, Paul does something awesome! He gives this woman an opportunity to learn, but in order to do so, she needs to be quiet in order to learn and that way isn't spreading more false teaching.

This was gracious of Paul if we are considering others like Philetus, Alexander, and Hymenaeus (men that were knowingly doing what was considered wrong).

A little further on, we see that it makes an interesting mention of Adam and Eve, which is a story that most Christians easily understand. However, this isn't a war against women, it is an example of another woman that was deceived that a group of believers could understand.

These words were for a specific place in time for a specific situation.

Listed above, was also listed other women of the Bible that were deaconesses and such. Not to also mention Miriam and Deborah on top of that. So many amazing women in the Bible that were given Biblical authority. Why would they be in there if it was sorely against God's word? There's no better way for a church to be vulnerable for spiritual attack than to mute all the women.

I understand this is a traditional belief for most churches and a lot of them still stick beside it, but in my personal experience and belief, it's spiritually unsound to believe that women shouldn't teach in a church or have any spiritual authority.

 

[Jacob62]

I have three questions.

Why were women instructed NOT to teach the gospel?

Is there a female preacher that tells the truth of the gospel?

Is there a male preacher whose preaching is infallible?

Women teachers have ideas and results which are self evident. The more they talk, the more they need to talk.

"A fool speaks his [her] whole mind." Prov. 29:11.

 

[Jacob62]

In 1 Timothy 2:9-14, this is part of Paul addressing the church.

If we only read only 1 Timothy 2:9-14, we don't get the complete part of Paul's message. Here is 1 Timothy 2:1-15 (NIV):

I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.

Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


*Let's remember that Paul was an educated Roman citizen and wrote like the philosopher's did. His format of writing is very much an A1, B1, C1, C2, B2, A2 type of format. Meaning, he'd make a point, make another point, then another, and then circle back around to those points.

In the first paragraph, we see it referencing all people. Peace and "quietness" can mean to be in compliance with the law rather than in rebellion against it. It isn't only the physical act of not talking.

Let's go down to the next paragraph, it mentions men specifically. It is possible that men of this time were arguing with one another rather than praising and worshiping God. Some people of this time also worshiped other god's by shouting loudly and wailing. It's possible that could be why this was discouraged.

Then, we get down to women (see that this is plural - women), to dress modestly. Keep in mind, we are talking about churches that were surrounded by cultures of those worshiping gods and goddesses and some would adorn themselves to go to the temples or worship gods/goddesses. We had cults like that of Dionysus with cross dressing, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. Some prostitutes of the time would also adorn their hair ornaments of some kind and this could possibly send a confusing message coming to a Christian congregation in this type of dress.

Considering the culture and time is important, too.

What gets more interesting is we see that it's not women anymore, it's "a woman," so who are we talking about? This woman was said to be the woman of Ephesus. Women in this day and age were not privileged enough to have an education. Women were often looked down upon as less than human, basically worthless, like an animal, and were not often taught.

This is discouraging a false teacher within the church - a woman that may not even fully understood that she was saying things that weren't correct and possibly leading others astray. Many pastors would discourage that kind of thing in their own congregations today as we can agree that false teaching is not good.

Instead, Paul does something awesome! He gives this woman an opportunity to learn, but in order to do so, she needs to be quiet in order to learn and that way isn't spreading more false teaching.

This was gracious of Paul if we are considering others like Philetus, Alexander, and Hymenaeus (men that were knowingly doing what was considered wrong).

A little further on, we see that it makes an interesting mention of Adam and Eve, which is a story that most Christians easily understand. However, this isn't a war against women, it is an example of another woman that was deceived that a group of believers could understand.

These words were for a specific place in time for a specific situation.

Listed above, was also listed other women of the Bible that were deaconesses and such. Not to also mention Miriam and Deborah on top of that. So many amazing women in the Bible that were given Biblical authority. Why would they be in there if it was sorely against God's word? There's no better way for a church to be vulnerable for spiritual attack than to mute all the women.

I understand this is a traditional belief for most churches and a lot of them still stick beside it, but in my personal experience and belief, it's spiritually unsound to believe that women shouldn't teach in a church or have any spiritual authority.

Who is this "We" you have been placed to speak for?

 

[Jacob62]

Good works always need to be first place above anything that adorns itself. Flash does clash with the purpose of God's ministry if we are fussing about the fancier things of life that has no bearing on that which God calls us to according to His time and purpose under heaven.

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law" (1 Corinthians 14:34).

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (1 Timothy 2:11-12).

In these verses, Paul cannot be addressing women who were in the ministry, but rather those in the congregation who were out of order. How do we know this? We have many such proofs, many from Paul himself. Here is a partial list of women who were all in influential positions of leadership in the early church.

Pheobe (Romans 16:1-2): This woman was a deaconess of the church in Cenchrea, who was beloved of Paul and many other Christians for the help she gave to them. She filled an important position of leadership. It would be a difficult stretch of the imagination to say that this woman fulfilled her duties without ever speaking in the church!

Priscilla (Acts 18:26): Priscilla and her husband Aquila are often mentioned with great respect by Paul. Together they were pastors of a church in Ephesus, and were responsible for teaching the full gospel to Apollos. We are informed that they both taught Apollos, and pastored the church together. In fact, Priscilla is sometimes listed ahead of Aquila when their names come up. This has led some to speculate that of the two, she was the primary teacher and her husband oversaw the ministry. At any rate, we see here a woman in a very prominent position of teaching and pastoring. (Other references to Priscilla and Aquila are Acts 18:2, 18; Romans 16:3, and I Corinthians 16:19).

Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2-3): Here we see reference to two women who were "true yokefellow" and who labored with Paul in the advancement of the gospel.

Junia (Romans 16:7): In this verse we see Paul sending greetings to Andronicus and Junia, his "fellow-prisoners" who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a woman's name. In some modern translations, an "s" has been added (Junias) because the translators were so sure a woman could not be an apostle, that they assumed a copyist has accidentally dropped the "s." However the proper male ending would have been "ius," not "ias." No church commentator earlier than the Middle Ages questioned that Junia was both a woman and an apostle.

Though there were other women throughout the Bible in positions of leadership, such as prophetesses, evangelists, judges, leaders, etc., the above references should be enough to establish that women were indeed a vital and normal part of church leadership. Paul expected women to speak in the church, or else why would he have given the following directive. It would have been useless to give directions for women who were speaking in the church, if they were never allowed to do so.

Furthermore, if Paul believed that all women should never teach or speak in church, why does he commend many women who did just that.​

Because those women were well controlled by their husbands.

 

[for_his_glory]

Because those women were well controlled by their husbands.

Those women were submissive to God and He placing them in His ministry. Other than Priscilla and Aquila, we have no clue if the others were married or not.

 

[Fastfredy0]

my personal experience and belief, it's spiritually unsound to believe that women shouldn't teach in a church

1 Timothy 2:12 I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet [in the congregation]. AMP

Satirical comment: Ah, the doctrine of God's 'cultural sensitivity' to man which leads to the ordination of homosexual clergy and encouragement of the LGBTQ+ community. (United Methodist Church, for example, is about to split because such issues)

 

[Jacob62]

Those women were submissive to God and He placing them in His ministry. Other than Priscilla and Aquila, we pasyohave no clue if the others were married or not.

Priscilla is shown to have only:
1.) Only under the supervision of her husband, "Advise" Apollo.
2.) "Helped."

Priscilla did not teach, lead, evangelize, prophecy, heal, disciple, or speak in an Epistle. Anything else ascribed is imaginary.

 

[for_his_glory]

Women teachers have ideas and results which are self evident. The more they talk, the more they need to talk.

"A fool speaks his [her] whole mind." Prov. 29:11.

I will make this personal. If women are not allowed to teach then why did God call me and anoint me by His Holy Spirit to take His gospel message out into the world?

Let's take it further, why are women allowed in Christian forums that have God's anointing on them to teach? Why are we not banned from speaking?

God chose those women we read about in scripture and has and will continue to anoint those women who are equipped to preach the Gospel truth whether you want to believe it or not.

I am in submission to my husband as far as being he being the Spiritual head within the household, but yet I am also in total submission to God wherever He may lead me to go.

 

[Jacob62]

I will make this personal. If women are not allowed to teach then why did God call me and anoint me by His Holy Spirit to take His gospel message out into the world?

Let's take it further, why are women allowed in Christian forums that have God's anointing on them to teach? Why are we not banned from speaking?

God chose those women we read about in scripture and has and will continue to anoint those women who are equipped to preach the Gospel truth whether you want to believe it or not.

I am in submission to my husband as far as being he being the Spiritual head within the household, but yet I am also in total submission to God wherever He may lead me to go.

Christian forums are not validators of God's actions upon individuals, and are not completely reliable.

Claiming an anointing or calling does not guarantee Doctrinal correctness, nor spiritual fruit. Do you comply with 1 Tim. 2:8-15 as the Word of God?

No NT woman is shown to teach the church, pastor, evangelize, or heal. God stated through Paul it is because of Eve's transgression. Agree?

 

[for_his_glory]

Women teachers have ideas and results which are self evident. The more they talk, the more they need to talk.

"A fool speaks his [her] whole mind." Prov. 29:11.

Pro 29:11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.

Adding "her" is adding to the word. I would be careful doing that. If a fool is teaching a woman then they both become fools as she becomes unlearned having no truth found in her.

 

[Jacob62]

Pro 29:11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.

Adding "her" is adding to the word. I would be careful doing that. If a fool is teaching a woman then they both become fools as she becomes unlearned having no truth found in her.

Lol. I see your anointing. Arguing with the Word of God takes a lot of endeavor and skill.

Have you ever listened to Joyce Meyer?

Bless you.

 

[for_his_glory]

Priscilla is shown to have only:
1.) Only under the supervision of her husband, "Advise" Apollo.
2.) "Helped."

Priscilla did not teach, lead, evangelize, prophecy, heal, disciple, or speak in an Epistle. Anything else ascribed is imaginary.

Do you know this as fact?

What I read about her and her husband in the scriptures is that many places Paul list her first before Aquila as being more prominent at times. Priscilla helped Aguila in his learning of theology, helped to teach Apollos along side her husband and helped to establish the church in Ephesus founded in their home all while her and Aquila were co-equal in ministry.

Priscilla helped instruct Apollos and co-worker in ministry with her husband as they both taught others. Lois and Eunice taught Timothy and Phoebe is named as an overseer and a deacon in the church at Cenchrea. Believers are enjoined to teach and learn from one another without any reference to gender.