Closet Christian Rock Bands?

[Carolyn]

You all seem to forget that most bands, including Christian bands, use musiç that they did not write..If a secular band does not like Christiàn lyrics, they are changed to attract a secular audience that might think it is about romance rather than God's love. Sometimes it is the secular producers that do this. If a Çhristian artist has a Christian album that a secular producer thinks might sell well, he might change some of the lyrics or even substitute other songes.
Recently I saw an example of that when Phil Keaggy released Crimson & Blue, and then Blue was released to the secular market. He is a committed Christian but is also a profesional musiçian. He has played on a few albums with secular artists and is great friends with some of them, but remained close friends with people like Randy Stonehill, the late Keith Green, and òther Christians. He left Glass Harp when he was a new Christian beçause while they were a great combo, they were not going in the same direction spiritually. I still love to listen to Glass Harp. They play off each other and can really jam. It is like watching a good comedy teem that ad libs. They inspire each other to greater heights. But he was really wise to avoid close relatiònships with people who wòuld bring him down.

 

[farouk]

You all seem to forget that most bands, including Christian bands, use musiç that they did not write..If a secular band does not like Christiàn lyrics, they are changed to attract a secular audience that might think it is about romance rather than God's love. Sometimes it is the secular producers that do this. If a Çhristian artist has a Christian album that a secular producer thinks might sell well, he might change some of the lyrics or even substitute other songes.
Recently I saw an example of that when Phil Keaggy released Crimson & Blue, and then Blue was released to the secular market. He is a committed Christian but is also a profesional musiçian. He has played on a few albums with secular artists and is great friends with some of them, but remained close friends with people like Randy Stonehill, the late Keith Green, and òther Christians. He left Glass Harp when he was a new Christian beçause while they were a great combo, they were not going in the same direction spiritually. I still love to listen to Glass Harp. They play off each other and can really jam. It is like watching a good comedy teem that ad libs. They inspire each other to greater heights. But he was really wise to avoid close relatiònships with people who wòuld bring him down.

Carolyn:

So anyway you do like a good bit of hard rock, in combination with Christian lyrics, right?

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

I have nothing against Christian hard rock bands and why would I as they are a great witness to the youth of today. I might not know the words they scream, but the youth can tell you every word that are in the lyrics. ..

for his glory:

Well, exactly.

There's even a Christian Screamo genre now!

Blessings.

 

[Carolyn]

Carolyn:

So anyway you do like a good bit of hard rock, in combination with Christian lyrics, right?

Blessings.

I definitely like hard rock and some metal. But a lot depends on my mood. If yòu haven't heard Phil Keaggy, check him out on U Tube. I have seen him in concert, too, and he is an amazing guitarist. His harder stuff is outstanding. Try Strings Attached by Glass Harp.

 

[Mike]

I posted in another thread somewhere and ages ago about Ozzie / Black Sabbath especially their title tune Black Sabbath. A lot of Christians have always assumed it was a song in praise of satanic worship. However if they took the time to listen or read the lyrics they would understand it is quite the opposite.
The same can be said for Iron Maidens "Number of the Beast" (with a great intro by Vincent Price) they are actually anti-satanist songs.

Paul, I 'bout fell off my couch when I read this. Ozzie Ozbourn? Iron Maiden? Brother, I'm glad that wasn't your first post to the board!

Have you ever heard the recorded argument by Iron Maiden in their dressing room after that concert? It might even be on one of their albums. :shocked! And the song you're talking about. I was a teenager when that came out. From a wayward teenager's perspective, all I heard was the hook of the chorus chanting "666. The number of the beast. 666. The one for you and me.". It doesn't matter what the song might have been meant to say, that's what I globbed onto. I'm sure I wasn't alone. Anyone with an ounce of integrity as a believer would not write a song like that.

Ozzie and Black Sabbath projected the same fixation on the cult and adoration of satanism. They glorified it in their imagery and music. If this wasn't their intent, it sure was what they sold.

When I saw the title of this thread, I immediately thought of bands like Kansas who never came out and preached the Gospel but were a gateway for listeners like myself. Bands like that serve a purpose, I guess, but I can't help but wonder if they are actually serving that purpose or simply afraid of losing recording contracts if they go too far.

 

[farouk]

I definitely like hard rock and some metal. But a lot depends on my mood. If yòu haven't heard Phil Keaggy, check him out on U Tube. I have seen him in concert, too, and he is an amazing guitarist. His harder stuff is outstanding. Try Strings Attached by Glass Harp.

Carolyn:

Okay, ty for the suggestion!

Do you like Red? Red's Forever keeps going through my head, and its lyrics seem to be a good testimony as well.

Blessings.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Paul, I 'bout fell off my couch when I read this. Ozzie Ozbourne?

I agree.

"Leave me alone! Don't want your promises no more, 'cause rock and roll is my religion and my law!" -Ozzy Osbourne, from the song "You Can't Kill Rock And Roll"(from an album that features a picture of an upside-down cross)

 

[Edward]

just like the Beatles who were heaven into Eastern religions, but some of their songs sounded like they were singing about Jesus and His love.

This is true. They were all into that Eastern religions crap.

I'd heard of Stryper but never listened to them before so punched some up on you tube...I like them! That's good music.

I always liked that Norman Greenbaum song, Spirit in the Sky too. He was really Jewish but didn't think a Jewish song would sell so sat down to write a Christian song and purportedly wrote it in about ten minutes. Regardless, that's a great song.

 

[reba]

Ya never know when to believe to believe the hype so .... Seems to me i remember hearing a number of the rock and rollers have a Pentecostal background....

 

[farouk]

They are great with witnessing to the youths. I like it when they take a break from the music and do some witness, especially their testimonies. .

for his glory:

Yes, it's also what comes in between the songs, when the (pierced and tattooed?) lead singers engage in testimony and witness at concert.

Blessings.

 

[AIR]

I agree with you both, but that's not really the topic to determine commitment or level of faith. More along the lines of the bands who aren't recognized as Christian, or typically viewed as satanic. Which Uriah Heep and the others don't seem to be satanic but have subtle messages of God in them. That easy living song seems to be a song about being born again.

You sure don't see Metallica wearing crosses. That's interesting that Dave Mustaine is born again, I didn't know that. Alice Cooper is born again also from what I hear.

Metallica members are not Christians (as far I know) but James Hetfield has tattoos of Christ in his arms, I don't know what that symbols to him. Anyways, it's nice that Dave Mustaine is a born again, I really love that because there you can see what really God can do. Dave used to use all kind of drugs and he's life was not in any control but after finding God he found his balance. Did you know, Nico McBrain from Iron Maiden is a born again as well?

And about the crosses, usually heavy metal bands wears crosses but are not actually religious. I saw a picture of Sepulturas front man (don't remember his name) he was wearing a cross in one picture even he's very against religious people or something. Anthrax ex- lead guitarist has converted to Christianity aswell, Dan Spitz.

 

[Paul1965]

This reply is gonna be a little off topic sorry.

Ozzie and Black Sabbath projected the same fixation on the cult and adoration of satanism. They glorified it in their imagery and music. If this wasn't their intent, it sure was what they sold.

Mike all highlighted areas above are Past Simple Verb form. Perhaps they started off capitalizing and making their name / millions on the dark side but in later years converted to Christianity like so many of us have. Many people born again have a dark history, but that's what makes God and our Saviour so perfect, they look beyond a persons past. More Christians need to do the same.
, The number of the beast Album is a story in itself, where all the tracks lead to the next telling a story of despair and darkness but coming out of it.

(from an album that features a picture of an upside-down cross)

An old release and yes it has an inverted Cross. However, there have been many threads on this forum where people suggest that the cross and any other symbol of our faith is not to be worshiped and that they are meaningless unless WE PUT SOME Meaning to it ( arecent one was on the Peace symbol......oh brother). But when it comes to certain musical styles, that argument is out the window as "it's got an Inverted cross! Burn it burn it! Get behind me satan"

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Ozzie and Black Sabbath projected the same fixation on the cult and adoration of satanism. They glorified it in their imagery and music. If this wasn't their intent, it sure was what they sold.

Mike, all highlighted areas above are Past Simple Verb form. Perhaps they started off capitalizing and making their name/millions on the dark side, but in later years converted to Christianity like so many of us have. Many people born again have a dark history, but that's what makes God and our Saviour so perfect. They look beyond a person's past. More Christians need to do the same.

If they are born again, they should no longer perform the sinful songs, only new songs. If they are born again, the Lord Jesus doesn't give you a "free pass" to listen to or sing along with their past satanic utterances.

Ozzy and Black Sabbath eventually split, and both continued in their satanic ways. My previous post clearly illustrates that Ozzy preached the opposite of Christianity. If you want to know how the remaining members of Black Sabbath chose to define the term "born again", look no further than their album that is titled Born Again, which features a painting of a Little Baby Satan on its front cover.

An old release and yes it has an inverted Cross. However, there have been many threads on this forum where people suggest that the cross and any other symbol of our faith is not to be worshiped and that they are meaningless unless WE PUT SOME Meaning to it ( arecent one was on the Peace symbol......oh brother). But when it comes to certain musical styles, that argument is out the window as "it's got an Inverted cross! Burn it burn it! Get behind me satan"

Combine the lyrics to the song "You Can't Kill Rock And Roll" with the upside-down cross that is featured on the cover, and your feeble argument is the one that gets tossed out the window.

As a matter of fact, your argument falls under the category of "Weak, Satanic Apologetics".

 

[Paul1965]

Virgin Shall Concieve, do not ever call me a Satanist please. It is judgemental self righteous people like you who give forums like this a bad name. I'd like an apology for that comment but time will tell. Interesting to note that you had to resort to a low end personal attack try to score a point.
Of course I'll wait to see what the mods have to say about your calling my faith into question.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

Virgin Shall Concieve, do not ever call me a Satanist please.

I didn't.

Interesting to note that you had to resort to a low end personal attack to try to score a point.

I had no need to resort to anything. My argument speaks for itself. Concede the point, or counter my rock-solid argument.

 

[Total Good Christian]

It could also just be about a woman

 

[evenifigoalone]

Oh, here's an artist that I know turned Christian: Charlie Daniels

My mom's a huge fan of his. I like him, but the music's not so much my style anymore. (I think his music is country-style sort of rock? IDK.)
In the 90s, he released a couple of Christian albums. One was called Steel Witness.

From what I've seen, his music lately hasn't been as obviously Christian. But he's not shy about it, either.

 

[farouk]

Oh, here's an artist that I know turned Christian: Charlie Daniels.

My mom's a huge fan of his. I like him, but the music's not so much my style anymore.
In the 90s, he released a couple of Christian albums. One was called Steel Witness.

questdriven:

Interesting, so what's his musical style? hard rock? heavy metal? easy listening?

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

questdriven:

Interesting, so what's his musical style? hard rock? heavy metal? easy listening?

Blessings.

Looked it up on Wikipedia just now, and it said Southern rock.

I used to love his music, but I'm more into other styles now.

 

[farouk]

Looked it up on Wikipedia just now, and it said Southern rock.

I used to love his music, but I'm more into other styles now.

questdriven:

Ty. I just pulled up some of his stuff; and in fact his track Intimidator seems to be a bit toward the hard rock end of Country. Interestingly, he seems to blend the screaming sound of the engines of a car race into the similar sound of an electric guitar. So I guess it's not such a far step between some of his sort of music and the hark rock that you identify with, and maybe for your mom it wasn't so hard for her to give you a CD of Skillet, either. (She's might even be more sympathetic, or at least understanding, to your various tastes than you realize.)

Blessings.