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[Born Again 2004]

Welcome to Cf.net my new friend. Hey, nice fish. 5+lbs ?

11 LBS! Speckled Trout on my lure!

 

[for_his_glory]

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If a Christian, who has the "mind of Christ", according to Paul, when they are walking in the spirit, and are always "in Christ", (based on being born again), ...If this Christian flips out and obsesses on something that becomes a "bug" in their head, such as you are describing, then that is only the adamic nature "mind", becoming the rudder of their gospel ship.
But, the ship is SAVED because its always eternally Floating on the Sea Of Christ's Blood, which only goes one way = takes the ship to heaven, no matter what you are thinking, today, vs, 20 years from now.

A lot of Christians are sane as a judge but are out of their "right" "Christian" mind.
However, all that has nothing to do with the fact of Salvation, that is what God did for you, when He SAVED you.
See that word "saved".
Its means saved, it does not mean, kinda or temporary or how i feel about it.
See, your opinion does not save you, even if your opinion should become your god.
You cant change the fact of Salvation once its applied, but you can ruin your life, and your walk with God.
You cant stop being a Son of God, but you can live a life that is an unholy disaster and a literal sorrow to you and everyone who loves you.
This is because "free will" down not end just because you become one of God's own.

What if I choose to take the mark of the beast in Rev 13 as I pretend to renounce Christ just so I have food and shelter provided by the false prophet as I pretend to bow down to him, am I still covered by the blood of Jesus and still saved or am I snared by the words I speak even if I really did not mean them, but acted in fear.

 

[Kidron]

Hi kidron
Not to get off topic, but, your belief and my belief differ as what "born again" means.
It means born from above...
See, I believe we all existed in spiritual form before Adam.

Just as the angels are sons of God, anything that God created are His.
All souls belong to Him.
There was a rebellion, Satan use to be a cherub.
1/3 of God's children, creation, followed Satan.
Could destroyed them then, but God loves His children, creation ,so much that He gave us/them a chance ,
To be born again through water, ( the sac in the womb, through flesh woman, which the water breaks when one is born)

Everyone has a spirit, good or evil,
A spirit comes into the flesh, when conceived.
Born from above....
We all, have to decide, whom to follow..
God Himself was born from above through the womb, conceived of the Holy Spirit.
He was born to shed His blood, for remission of our sins.
This flesh age. Blood had to be shed.

And His Spirit should be in you..
His Spirit would tell you to be Holy as He is Holy.
Faith without works is dead...
They go together as peas and carrots.
How you walk and behave is the reflection of your soul.

I know all thinks I'm crazy, that's ok.

If one can't understand the beginning, will never get much understanding of much.

This age He is dividing the sheep from the goats.
No rebellion in the age to come,
We are to bear fruit, or hewn down.
Everyone is judged by their fruit.

What is your idea of fruit bearing?

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There is nothing crazy about what you have written.
andYes, we are born from above, but it happens on the earth, as we are "born again", down here.
And yes, i understand that you believe that we as living spirits up above were sent through our parents into the earth realm.
This sounds metaphysical (insert Twilight Zone Music)....but it really isnt.

And yes, "faith and works" do go together, but, God saved us because of our faith, and not because of our works that come later, as how can later works preempt what caused the works?.
That would be like saying.....Im saved by Jesus, and then my works that i do after im saved, are why im saved.
No.....sorry, no.
TILT....
We do works because WE ARE SAVED, and never to be saved, because if we do them to try to somehow complete our salvation, then we are taking the credit for salvation from Jesus after he saved us, and are crediting the works we do, instead.
= REALLY BAD THEOLOGY, but many have it.

We live a holy life because God has already saved us, and not because we are trying to complete what God through Christ, has already been done for us.
Salvation was completed by Jesus on a Cross, and God takes this "finished work", and applies it to a believer.
This is what saves you, GOD SAVES YOU, and this is how we become born again.
Following this, just as you wear a uniform in the Army to show you are in it, but not because the uniform puts you in the army, you Follow Christ with good works because His blood had puts you into salvation, (""in Christ") and in the following you do the works of a disciple of the ONE who has already saved you.

 

[Kidron]

What if I choose to take the mark of the beast in Rev 13 as I pretend to renounce Christ just so I have food and shelter provided by the false prophet as I pretend to bow down to him, am I still covered by the blood of Jesus and still saved or am I snared by the words I speak even if I really did not mean them, but acted in fear.

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Well, you wont be here if you are born again, as you'll be changed in the twinking of an eye into the very image of Christ in the Rapture.
But in case you are a mid-tribber, then because you know all about this stuff, you'll be freaking out of your mind and will know not to agree to commit to the AntiChrist's global economy "sign up" (take the mark)... so that you can eat and have some water.
Instead, you'll take your stand for Jesus, and they'll kill you.
But like i said, no worries, as the Blood of Jesus never failed anyone yet., and it wont fail you, IF you are born again.

And regarding whatever type sinning you do while you are saved, just remember, that Christ has already paid for that.
See, this is the infinite answer of the Cross.
You say, "But i did this", and the Cross says......"Christ was up here dying for THAT ONE ALSO". so God does not remember it or charge you with it because Jesus was ALREADY KILLED FOR IT.
ROMANS 4:8 .... HEBREWS 8:12
That is always the answer to our sinning.
See, when God looks at you, He sees the BLOOD OF JESUS, and He Hears His Son who is constantly in intercession for us.
The devil says...."yeah, look at this one, he's sinning that same sin AGAIN THAT he's confessed for 40 years"...
And Jesus responds....."oh, you mean the ones i paid for <> already <> 2000 years ago"
""Get lost Devil."" !!

 

[for_his_glory]

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Well, you wont be here if you are born again, as you'll be changed in the twinking of an eye into the very image of Christ in the Rapture.
But in case you are a mid-tribber, then because you know all about this stuff, you'll be freaking out of your mind and will know not to agree to commit to the AntiChrist's global economy "sign up" (take the mark)... so that you can eat and have some water.
Instead, you'll take your stand for Jesus, and they'll kill you.
But like i said, no worries, as the Blood of Jesus never failed anyone yet., and it wont fail you, IF you are born again.

And regarding whatever type sinning you do while you are saved, just remember, that Christ has already paid for that.
See, this is the infinite answer of the Cross.
You say, "But i did this", and the Cross says......"Christ was up here dying for THAT ONE ALSO". so God does not remember it or charge you with it because Jesus was ALREADY KILLED FOR IT.
ROMANS 4:8 .... HEBREWS 8:12
That is always the answer to our sinning.
See, when God looks at you, He sees the BLOOD OF JESUS, and He Hears His Son who is constantly in intercession for us.
The devil says...."yeah, look at this one, he's sinning that same sin AGAIN THAT he's confessed for 40 years"...
And Jesus responds....."oh, you mean the ones i paid for <> already <> 2000 years ago"
""Get lost Devil."" !!

God's grace does not give us a license to sin as we are now in Christ walking after the knowledge of truth through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Forgiveness is dependent on our confessing our sins to God. It's a relational forgiveness from the moment we confess we are a sinner needing Gods grace that even though we were forgiven all our sin when we confessed them to Jesus and He covered them by His blood and forgave us, we still need to keep that door of communication open to God as when we sin even though we have been Spiritually born again we offend God and grieve His Spirit, Ephesians 4:30. When we do sin, and we will at times, this results in a hindrance in our relationship with God. It doesn't mean we are no longer a child of God, it just means when we confess our wrong doing we are telling our Father we are sorry as this restores our relationship with Him. This is why we confess our sins to Jesus who is our mediator before the Father as not to maintain our salvation, but to bring us back to a closer relationship with Him.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

These two verses are the same as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, Matthew 12:31-33 and have nothing to do with a backsliding Christian. If we are sinning wilfully thinking that's alright as the blood of Christ has us covered then we are deceiving ourselves. Deliberate sin is a conscience decision one makes as they are rejecting Christ and the Holy Spirit of whom you knew and followed after. Deliberate sin is a condition of the heart and there is no more sacrifice for your decision to sin. You have lost your inheritance of the Kingdom of God and are separated from Him forever as you cause your own judgment of damnation.

 

[Kidron]

God's grace does not give us a license to sin

Forgiveness is dependent on our confessing our sins to God.
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Well, forhisglory, .. that is quite a load of legalism fertilizer you just dumped on a Christian forum.
It must be a heavy weight on your shoulders to be carrying your own salvation on your own shoulders, instead of letting Jesus save you by carrying your redemption on His shoulders on a CROSS, instead.
Heavy huh....
And regarding "confessing to be saved"......, I guess you have not realized that if your sins are forgiven, you dont have to confess to get them forgiven again.... Or are you SURE that the Blood of Jesus loses its power to save you, which means you would have to save yourself by confessing over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over all your lifetime of sinning, to keep yourself saved.........as that is your theology.

So, my advice to you is to accept that God saves a believer through the Blood of Christ, and the believer does not save themselves.
And, if a believer is teaching that "confession saves" instead of teaching that JESUS SAVES , then that believer is teaching "another gospel", and Paul warns severely about that in . Galatians 1:8.
So, forhisglory..... you be SURE you check that out before you continue to teach that something other then Christ and Christ's Blood alone on the cross dying for our sins, redeems us, Atones Us, and saves you.
And by the way, if you really want to do something for his glory, then give all the credit.... ALL OF IT, = to Christ alone to SAVE US and KEEP US SAVED.


K
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[for_his_glory]

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Well, forhisglory, .. that is quite a load of legalism fertilizer you just dumped on a Christian forum.
It must be a heavy weight on your shoulders to be carrying your own salvation on your own shoulders, instead of letting Jesus save you by carrying your redemption on His shoulders on a CROSS, instead.
Heavy huh....
And regarding "confessing to be saved"......, I guess you have not realized that if your sins are forgiven, you dont have to confess to get them forgiven again.... Or are you SURE that the Blood of Jesus loses its power to save you, which means you would have to save yourself by confessing over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over all your lifetime of sinning, to keep yourself saved.........as that is your theology.

So, my advice to you is to accept that God saves a believer through the Blood of Christ, and the believer does not save themselves.
And, if a believer is teaching that "confession saves" instead of teaching that JESUS SAVES , then that believer is teaching "another gospel", and Paul warns severely about that in . Galatians 1:8.
So, forhisglory..... you be SURE you check that out before you continue to teach that something other then Christ and Christ's Blood alone on the cross dying for our sins, redeems us, Atones Us, and saves you.
And by the way, if you really want to do something for his glory, then give all the credit.... ALL OF IT, = to Christ alone to SAVE US and KEEP US SAVED.


K
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Hyper grace theology, which you are trying to teach, comes against the word of God as it teaches that all sin, past, present and future has already been forgiven and we have no need to repent. It also teaches we are not bound by the moral laws of God or by that of what Jesus taught about confessing our sin as believers are not responsible for their sin and anyone who does not agree with them are legalistic. You might want to read Revelations chapter 2 and 3 as what God speaks to the seven Churches in Asia as needing to repent of their sin.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Well, you wont be here if you are born again, as you'll be changed in the twinking of an eye into the very image of Christ in the Rapture.

No being born again happens in the here and now...it is the spiritual birth of each and ever believer. Only those "Born Again" will be raptured!

 

[Kidron]

Hyper grace theology, which you are trying to teach, comes against the word of God as it teaches that all sin, past, present and future has already been forgiven.

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Actually, the Holy Spirit through Paul teaches exaclty what i teach, or i would not teach it or preach it or believe it.

forhisglory......see asap for an update on what has happened to your SINS on the CROSS :

Romans 4:8

Hebrews 8: 12

 

[Kidron]

No being born again happens in the here and now...it is the spiritual birth of each and ever believer. Only those "Born Again" will be raptured!

This is what i also said.
I was responding to the, "when are we changed into the image of Christ", etc.
It is 1 Corinthians 15: 52,53.

 

[for_his_glory]

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Actually, the Holy Spirit through Paul teaches exaclty what i teach, or i would not teach it or preach it or believe it.

forhisglory......see asap for an update on what has happened to your SINS on the CROSS :

Romans 4:8

Hebrews 8: 12

Paul is quoting David in Romans 4:8 that we need to confess our sins so our unrighteousness can be made righteous by God so that sin is not held against us.

Psalms 32:1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. 2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. 3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. 4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah. 5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. 6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.

Hebrews 8:12 again Paul is saying the same thing as God is merciful to our unrighteousness and He will remember our sins no more when we confess them as David taught.

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[Born Again 2004]

This is what i also said.
I was responding to the, "when are we changed into the image of Christ", etc.
It is 1 Corinthians 15: 52,53.

Can't have truth both was!

 

[Kidron]

Can't have truth both was!

I didnt, silly
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Let me ask you a Question.
What are you trusting, right now, to get you to heaven?
What is the ONLY THING you are trusting?
Name IT..??????

 

[Born Again 2004]

These are your EXACT words: Well, you wont be here if you are born again, as you'll be changed in the twinking of an eye into the very image of Christ in the Rapture.
This is an untrue and not Biblical! You are not "Born Again" when and if you are raptured, Being Born Spiritually happens in this life and is a prerequisite to being raise up to meet Christ when he gathers his church!

Actually, the Holy Spirit through Paul teaches exaclty what i teach, or i would not teach it or preach it or believe it.

That is a false teaching of yours!

was responding to the, "when are we changed into the image of Christ", etc.
It is 1 Corinthians 15: 52,53.

That is absolutely WRONG, you born into the image of Christ in this life and before you are transformed during the gathering of the church!

I didnt, silly

You did silly!

 

[Kidron]

These are your EXACT words: Well, you wont be here if you are born again, as you'll be changed in the twinking of an eye into the very image of Christ in the Rapture.
This is an untrue and not Biblical! You are not "Born Again" when and if you are raptured, Being Born Spiritually happens in this life and is a prerequisite to being raise up to meet Christ when he gathers his church!

That is a false teaching of yours!

That is absolutely WRONG, you born into the image of Christ in this life and before you are transformed during the gathering of the church!

You did silly!

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These are your EXACT words: Well, you wont be here if you are born again, as you'll be changed in the twinking of an eye into the very image of Christ in the Rapture.

Yes, let me say it so that you understand it, as you have not understood what i have written.
If you are born again, you will meet Jesus in the SKY, "in the twinkling of an Eye", and "you shall be changed". (Rapture)
That is what i said.
And in this Rapture "change", you will get your resurrection body <><> as part of your completed change<><> into the "image of Christ".
You dont have this now.
Maybe you've noticed?


This is an untrue and not Biblical! You are not "Born Again" when and if you are raptured, Being Born Spiritually happens in this life and is a prerequisite to being raise up to meet Christ when he gathers his church!


I have not stated that anyone is born again in the rapture.
You are in the rapture BECAUSE YOU ARE BORN AGAIN.
TRY TO READ MORE CAREFULLY, WHAT I WROTE, NEXT TIME.
THANK YOU.



That is absolutely WRONG, you born into the image of Christ in this life and before you are transformed during the gathering of the church!

SORRY NO.
YOU ARE BORN AGAIN INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND ARE " BEING CONFORMED INTO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST".
"BEING"........= IN PROCESS ......becoming...
YOU ARE NOT YET CONFORMED.
YOU ARE >BEING< CONFORMED. . ROMANS 8:28
Read your bible for an update.
YOU ARE NOT Totally conformed until you get your resurrection body.
This has not happened yet.
So, the "being conformed", is explained in this verse...
"GOD who began a good work in you, will be faithful to complete it".. Philippians 1:6
See the Began to be COMPLETED LATER?
That is "being conformed into the image of Christ".



K
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[Born Again 2004]

I have not stated that anyone is born again in the rapture.
You are in the rapture BECAUSE YOU ARE BORN AGAIN.
TRY TO READ MORE CAREFULLY, WHAT I WROTE, NEXT TIME.
THANK YOU.

Sorry, it is hard for me when you react without clarity. It's YOUR words (Well, you wont be here if you are born again).... you didn't specify after the rapture....it gives he appearance that you meant that your not born again until rapture, especially when you added that rapture is when we are changed into the image of Christ...which is not true, we are created in Christ and he in us and the image there of, the day that we are saved! So, with all due respect, I will read more carefully when you write / explain more carefully!

 

[dianegcook]

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There is nothing crazy about what you have written.
andYes, we are born from above, but it happens on the earth, as we are "born again", down here.
And yes, i understand that you believe that we as living spirits up above were sent through our parents into the earth realm.
This sounds metaphysical (insert Twilight Zone Music)....but it really isnt.

And yes, "faith and works" do go together, but, God saved us because of our faith, and not because of our works that come later, as how can later works preempt what caused the works?.
That would be like saying.....Im saved by Jesus, and then my works that i do after im saved, are why im saved.
No.....sorry, no.
TILT....
We do works because WE ARE SAVED, and never to be saved, because if we do them to try to somehow complete our salvation, then we are taking the credit for salvation from Jesus after he saved us, and are crediting the works we do, instead.
= REALLY BAD THEOLOGY, but many have it.

We live a holy life because God has already saved us, and not because we are trying to complete what God through Christ, has already been done for us.
Salvation was completed by Jesus on a Cross, and God takes this "finished work", and applies it to a believer.
This is what saves you, GOD SAVES YOU, and this is how we become born again.
Following this, just as you wear a uniform in the Army to show you are in it, but not because the uniform puts you in the army, you Follow Christ with good works because His blood had puts you into salvation, (""in Christ") and in the following you do the works of a disciple of the ONE who has already saved you.

Hi kidron
I agree, Christ saves you.
But...
If one does not walk in the Spirit, after being saved, what transformation has happened?
One does have free will and later on one can loose their faith.
I have seen it happen.
An atheist I knew on another forum, told me he had gotten saved once, but know rejects the existence of God..
Lost his faith....
That is why I believe the doctrine of OSAS is not sensible.
Also, I believe the so called rapture, is after the tribulation.
No where does it say, in 1Cor.15:52 and 1Thess.4:16,17 , that this occurs before the tribulation.
So if I am correct, which I think I am, :wink because of Matt.24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, Luke 21:25-28, 2Thess.2:3, what if one takes the Mark of the beast?
Will God be pleased with them?

 

[Born Again 2004]

An atheist I knew on another forum, told me he had gotten saved once, but know rejects the existence of God..
Lost his faith....
That is why I believe the doctrine of OSAS is not sensible.

That is not disqualifier for OSAS, how do know the Atheist was saved ( Born Again....with Christ in them) in the first place!...because he told you?

• Deuteronomy 31:6
• John 6:39
• Luke 15:4

 

[dianegcook]

That is not disqualifier for OSAS, how do know the Atheist was saved ( Born Again....with Christ in them) in the first place!...because he told you?

• Deuteronomy 31:6
• John 6:39
• Luke 15:4

How do I know you are? You told me? Lol

 

[Born Again 2004]

How do I know you are? You told me? Lol

Uh.....it's an open forum!