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rstrats said:
StoveBolts,
re: "It's pretty clear that rstrats is set in his belief..."


And exactly what do you think that belief is with regard to the purpose of this topic?
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If I were to be honest, you picked no to the profile question about being a Christian. So your not a Christian.
In your opening statement, you are only interested in those who support a Friday crucufixtion. Other than that, you have stated no position on the matter.
Your belief in the topic seems to me to be that you are able to find issues with a 6th day crucifixtion regardless of its source or explanation.

Jesus tells us in matters like this to shake the dust off our feet, and let our peace return to us. If I could make a recommendation to our members it would be this. State your belief, but dont argue it. Allow others to believe what they believe, for it is between them and the Lord, for we will all be giving an account for every thought and every word.

Build the body up, dont get caught up in dividing it.
 
rstrats said:
th1b.taylor,

I'm sorry, but your link does not show examples of where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
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The link JohnDB furnished provides two.
 
Razeontheroc,
re: "The link JohnDB furnished provides two."

I told you previously that the link doesn't do that. And as I said to you in post #80, you simply saying that is does won't automatically make it so. So I ask you again to please support your assertion with a quote from the link which shows where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. Can you do that?
 
rstrats said:
your link does not show examples of where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
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I can show you an example of this kind of ‘common usage’, but you’ll have to answer a couple of questions.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/USIL0225:1:US

According to The Weather Channel, what is the forecast low temperature for tonight (Tuesday 24 Apr 18) in Chicago, Illinois?

At what time locally will this low temperature forecast occur tonight?

https://weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/l/USIL0225:1:US
 
StoveBolts,
re: "In your opening statement, you are only interested in those who support a Friday crucufixtion."

And who think the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb and who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time.





re: "Other than that, you have stated no position on the matter."

Anything other than that would be an issue for a different topic.





re: "Your belief in the topic seems to me to be that you are able to find issues with a 6th day crucifixtion regardless of its source or explanation."

For the purpose of this topic, the only issue is the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.
 
rstrats said:
Razeontheroc,
re: "The link JohnDB furnished provides two."

I told you previously that the link doesn't do that. And as I said to you in post #80, you simply saying that is does won't automatically make it so. So I ask you again to please support your assertion with a quote from the link which shows where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. Can you do that?
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There are only two examples in that link, and they are both in Scripture. I don't think there's any real advantage in me typing out the whole Bible here; you have access to it, in many forms. These are both also easy to find for you to check yourself, since both Esther and Jonah have books known by their own name, and the link furnished brings you right to the relevant part, spelling it out as clearly as anyone could ever hope to see.

These two occurrences of exactly what you're asking for don't make it "common;" it just means that Jesus' experience was one of three I'm aware of, rather than being the only time it ever happened.

I do favor this understanding rather than what Papa put forth because it fits the circumstances better. Crucified criminals would often suffer for days before finally dying, but Jesus was spared that, dying surprisingly quickly. He was Prophesied to not remain in the tomb very long, and the 38-ish hours is the shortest time possible.
This is Mercy!
 
Razeontheroc,
re: "There are only two examples in that link, and they are both in Scripture. I don't think there's any real advantage in me typing out the whole Bible here..."


No reason to type out the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Simply identify the 2 examples which you think show that a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
 
rstrats said:
simply identify the 2 examples which you think show that a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
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This doesn't exist in scriptures (possibly creation account...but we don't know)

Extra-biblical sources are there. Wescott and Hort may be known for their dissertations on Hebrews but that's because they are scholars on writings from the Ancient Near Eastern society. They cover this in some of their other papers if my memory serves me correctly.
 
JohnDB,
re: "This doesn't exist in scriptures..."

But Razeontheroc says there are two examples in scripture.
 
JohnDB,
re: "Not what he said."

He said: "There are only two examples in that link, and they are both in Scripture." If he wasn't saying that the two examples provided the requested information why do you suppose he mentioned them?
 
rstrats said:
JohnDB,
re: "Not what he said."

He said: "There are only two examples in that link, and they are both in Scripture." If he wasn't saying that the two examples provided the requested information why do you suppose he mentioned them?
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Because you need to read the article the link takes you to and not dismiss it out of hand in order to have a discussion.
 
JohnDB said:
This doesn't exist in scriptures (possibly creation account...but we don't know)

Extra-biblical sources are there. Wescott and Hort may be known for their dissertations on Hebrews but that's because they are scholars on writings from the Ancient Near Eastern society. They cover this in some of their other papers if my memory serves me correctly.
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Rstats is correct here: the article you linked DOES give 2 Scriptural examples of exactly what he's asking for. In Esther and Jonah. The article states it clearly, and I certainly can't improve upon it.

2 events doesn't make it "common," but it does fit the pattern of pre-figuring Christ's work, for the purpose of helping us to recognize it.

Rstats, discussing these is the way you'll come to see it better. Why don't you try to explain why you feel these examples don't satisfy your quest? Discussing it will bring the logic out into the open, where you can see if it holds up or not.
 
Razeontheroc,
re: "Rstats is correct here: the article you linked DOES give 2 Scriptural examples of exactly what he's asking for."

What??? I'm saying just the opposite.




re: "2 events doesn't make it 'common',"

It does for the purpose of this topic. But so far none have been provided.




re: "Why don't you try to explain why you feel these examples don't satisfy your quest?"

They don't satisfy it because the "examples" do not show where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
 
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JohnDB,
re: "...and not dismiss it out of hand..."

BTW, exactly what do you think I'm dismissing out of hand?
 
The last paragraph of your post #116 is what you're dismissing out of hand. If you would discuss those examples, seeing your own reasoning in print would help you realize the link was furnished because it provides exactly what you're asking for.

And I agree with you, that two previous occurrences is enough to establish a recognizable trend, making it understandable how Jesus being in the tomb for less than 40 hours can count as 3 days. That's something that's always bogged my mind too, and the furnished link really does help with that.
 
Razeontherock,
re: "The last paragraph of your post #116 is what you're dismissing out of hand. If you would discuss those examples, seeing your own reasoning in print would help you realize the link was furnished because it provides exactly what you're asking for."

My discussing is that I've read the article several times and I do not see anywhere in it which shows examples of a daytime or a night time being forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. Please explain why you think that the examples to which you are referring do preclude a daytime and/or a night time.
 
Razeontherock,
re: "And I agree with you, that two previous occurrences is enough to establish a recognizable trend, making it understandable how Jesus being in the tomb for less than 40 hours can count as 3 days. That's something that's always bogged my mind too..."

That part doesn't boggle my mind, i.e., that less than 40 hours could have been counted as 3 calendar days. The issue in question is how can less that 40 hours count for 3 night times?
 
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